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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:16 pm
Post subject: 6200 AGP vs GF3 Ti200 vs GF4 Ti4400
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Here's the system:
MSI 6382 OEM (VIA KT266)
Athlon XP 1900+
1GB DDR (2 x 512MB)
GeForce 3 Ti200
Here's the situation. This machine is an extra. I already have
a legacy Win98SE/Voodoo 5 5500 AGP based machine for old games, and
another Athlon XP 3000+/GF 6600GT AGP based machine besides my main
Athlon 64 3800+/GF 7600GT based one (no more space). I'm gona give
this Athlon XP 1900+ system to my nephew. He plays games, but mostly
console stuff, and what he plays on PC is not cutting edge, power
hungry graphic card killers. He also likes to run PC Scene Demos.
However, most demos lately require Pixel Shader 2.0 hardware, so the
GF 3 Ti200 won't do.
I want to boost the graphics a bit more, but for $50.00, or
less. I also have a GF 4 Ti4400 not doing anything, but it refuses to
work with the Athlon XP 1900+'s MSI 6382 board (even with BIOS
update, and all). The 6600GT however works fine with it, but I'm not
gona put it in the Athlon XP 1900+. I have found two options. Either
buy another socketA mainboard that will work with the GF 4 Ti4400 for
about $45.00 used, or buy a 6200 AGP 128MB card I found for $40.00
brand new. This is the 6200 with the NV44A chip, and has a 64bit
memory bus.
I've searched, and all 128bit AGP videocards that are Pixel
Shader 2.0 compliant are at least $75.00, or more new. Even the 64bit
6200 is better than the 128bit FX5200/5500, so I won't consider them.
Do you think the 6200 AGP 64bit would be better than the GF 4 Ti4400
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:39 am
Post subject: Re: 6200 AGP vs GF3 Ti200 vs GF4 Ti4400 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:12:51 +0100, Lars-Erik Østerud <.@.> wrote:
>Larry Roberts wrote:
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>> Do you think the 6200 AGP 64bit would be better than the GF 4 Ti4400
>> in this situation?
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>I have been warned about th e64bit beeing slower than my 4200
>There is a 128bit version of the 6200, should be as fast as 4200
That's my thinking as well, but I was reading some reviews on
the NV44A chip, and one mentioned that people still hanging onto there
GF3, and GF4 cards, because they are on a tight budget could finally
move up for cheap with the NV44A based 6200.
My nephew will play games mostly no more demanding than Unreal
Tournament 2004. I was just checking out the past VGA Shootout reviews
at Tom's Hardware, and found that the GF4 Ti4200 scored 85 fps on UT
2004. The 6200 32MB TurboCache (NV44), which is a bit worse than the
6200 AGP non-TC (NV44A), scored 89 fps. This is on two different
systems though, so the results may be unfairly in the 6200's favor.
For the price of $40.00, and seeing those reviews favoring it
as a nice lowend card, I'm gona chance it. As I said, I'm not wanting
to spend more than $50.00, and any other upgrade will cost a bit more.
The 6200 AGP with 128bit memory is hard to find, and they cost as much
as a 128bit 6600 AGP. If anything, it'll be no better than the GF3
Ti200 already on the system, but with Direct3D 9.0c feature support,
so at least he can run Scene Demos that require Pixel Shader 2.0
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:52 am
Post subject: Re: 6200 AGP vs GF3 Ti200 vs GF4 Ti4400 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:18:29 +0100, Lars-Erik Østerud <.@.> wrote:
>Larry Roberts wrote:
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>> GF3, and GF4 cards, because they are on a tight budget could finally
>> move up for cheap with the NV44A based 6200.
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>I ended up looking at a 7600GS instead (doesn't cost that much more),
>or even a 7600GT (costs 40% more than a 7600GS, but still not much).
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>I have read about numerous problems with the 7600GS (installing, video
>playback etc), so that might indicate that a 7600GT would be better.
Yeah, but this is an old Athlon XP 1900+ that the mainboard
won't support anything faster than an Athlon XP 2200+. If you can even
find one, they cost more than $50.00, so the only upgrade is the
videocard. If this system was for me, and was my main gaming rig, I'd
be inclined to get at least a 7600GS, but I already have 3 systems
with my main rig using a 7600GT. This for my nephew, and once I build
myself a new dual core system, I'll pass my Athlon XP 3000+ with a
6600GT on to him, and my current Athlon64 3800+ with it's 7600GT will
become my secondary system. That won't happen till next winter though.
I read user reviews over at Newegg.com about the 6200 AGP
64bit, and most are happy with it after moving from FX5200/5500, and
GF4 Ti4200 cards. It's not a great improvement over the GF4 Ti4200,
but it will be better than the GF3 Ti200 in the system now, not to
mention the 6200 AGP with the NV44A GPU doesn't require extra power
from the PSU. >> Stay informed about: 6200 AGP vs GF3 Ti200 vs GF4 Ti4400 |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:12 am
Post subject: Re: 6200 AGP vs GF3 Ti200 vs GF4 Ti4400 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:18 pm
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Larry Roberts wrote:
> GF3, and GF4 cards, because they are on a tight budget could finally
> move up for cheap with the NV44A based 6200.
I ended up looking at a 7600GS instead (doesn't cost that much more),
or even a 7600GT (costs 40% more than a 7600GS, but still not much).
I have read about numerous problems with the 7600GS (installing, video
playback etc), so that might indicate that a 7600GT would be better.
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XP, Asus P4PE, 2.53 GHz, Asus V8420 (Ti4200), SB-Live >> Stay informed about: 6200 AGP vs GF3 Ti200 vs GF4 Ti4400 |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:41 pm
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Larry Roberts wrote:
> Yeah, but this is an old Athlon XP 1900+ that the mainboard
> won't support anything faster than an Athlon XP 2200+. If you can even
No plan upgrading the CPU on the rig either (2.54 GZhz Intel)
So this will the tha last update before a new MB (and then I'll
need both new CPU og video-card). So I'm not going to but a very
expensive card eihter. But it must be faster than the 4200 to run
HL2 faster and have HW DX9. So it'll last till 1-2 years more...
> with my main rig using a 7600GT. This for my nephew, and once I build
Can you say somthing about the 7600GT speed compared to the Ti-4200?
And will the 7600 work OK with older games (and DOS based VGA games)?
> mention the 6200 AGP with the NV44A GPU doesn't require extra power
Yep, I need a new PSU too to upgrade to the 7600GT, but that PSU can
be used in my new rig too so that is not a waste (like an AGP card)
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XP, Asus P4PE, 2.53 GHz, Asus V8420 (Ti4200), SB-Live >> Stay informed about: 6200 AGP vs GF3 Ti200 vs GF4 Ti4400 |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:00 pm
Post subject: Re: 6200 AGP vs GF3 Ti200 vs GF4 Ti4400 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I ran a full 128bit 6200 AGP in a P4 2.8Ghz machine. I upgraded from a
4200Ti it's a quick little card I was very happy with the upgrade, I was
able to play BF2 on it quite nice with the settings turned down at 1024X768.
Be wary of the turbo versions which are the crippled 64bit cards... I would
definately go for the 6200 you won't be disappointed.
Mike
"Larry Roberts" <skin-e DeleteThis @juno.com> wrote in message
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> Here's the system:
>
> MSI 6382 OEM (VIA KT266)
> Athlon XP 1900+
> 1GB DDR (2 x 512MB)
> GeForce 3 Ti200
>
> Here's the situation. This machine is an extra. I already have
> a legacy Win98SE/Voodoo 5 5500 AGP based machine for old games, and
> another Athlon XP 3000+/GF 6600GT AGP based machine besides my main
> Athlon 64 3800+/GF 7600GT based one (no more space). I'm gona give
> this Athlon XP 1900+ system to my nephew. He plays games, but mostly
> console stuff, and what he plays on PC is not cutting edge, power
> hungry graphic card killers. He also likes to run PC Scene Demos.
> However, most demos lately require Pixel Shader 2.0 hardware, so the
> GF 3 Ti200 won't do.
> I want to boost the graphics a bit more, but for $50.00, or
> less. I also have a GF 4 Ti4400 not doing anything, but it refuses to
> work with the Athlon XP 1900+'s MSI 6382 board (even with BIOS
> update, and all). The 6600GT however works fine with it, but I'm not
> gona put it in the Athlon XP 1900+. I have found two options. Either
> buy another socketA mainboard that will work with the GF 4 Ti4400 for
> about $45.00 used, or buy a 6200 AGP 128MB card I found for $40.00
> brand new. This is the 6200 with the NV44A chip, and has a 64bit
> memory bus.
> I've searched, and all 128bit AGP videocards that are Pixel
> Shader 2.0 compliant are at least $75.00, or more new. Even the 64bit
> 6200 is better than the 128bit FX5200/5500, so I won't consider them.
> Do you think the 6200 AGP 64bit would be better than the GF 4 Ti4400
> in this situation? >> Stay informed about: 6200 AGP vs GF3 Ti200 vs GF4 Ti4400 |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:13 pm
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MiKman wrote:
> I ran a full 128bit 6200 AGP in a P4 2.8Ghz machine. I upgraded from a
> 4200Ti it's a quick little card I was very happy with the upgrade, I was
> able to play BF2 on it quite nice with the settings turned down at 1024X768.
Any idea on how much faster than the 4200 it is?
The 128bit 6200 I have looked at is even fanless.
And I guess it won't need a new power supply either.
But I need some benchmarks to decide :-/
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:54 am
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:41:30 +0100, Lars-Erik Østerud <.@.> wrote:
>Larry Roberts wrote:
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>> Yeah, but this is an old Athlon XP 1900+ that the mainboard
>> won't support anything faster than an Athlon XP 2200+. If you can even
>
>No plan upgrading the CPU on the rig either (2.54 GZhz Intel)
>So this will the tha last update before a new MB (and then I'll
>need both new CPU og video-card). So I'm not going to but a very
>expensive card eihter. But it must be faster than the 4200 to run
>HL2 faster and have HW DX9. So it'll last till 1-2 years more...
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>> with my main rig using a 7600GT. This for my nephew, and once I build
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>Can you say somthing about the 7600GT speed compared to the Ti-4200?
>And will the 7600 work OK with older games (and DOS based VGA games)?
I was using a GF4 Ti4400 before moving to a 6600GT on the same
system. I noticed the increase in speed in games that the GF4 Ti4400
didn't already max out. The 7600GT I have now boost those games even
further, but it resides in a more powerful system than the GF4 Ti4400
did. In old DX 6, & 7 games, the GF4 Ti series maxes those games out,
and a 7600GT may not seem like a huge difference, but in DX 8, & 9
games, the 7600GT would walk all over a GF4 Ti card. Especially when
you turn on AA/AF.
I can't say how it does with DOS as I don't use this system
for DOS games. That's what my Intel P3 system with it's Voodoo 5 5500
AGP card is for. I have used my 6600GT in real mode DOS games, and
most ran fine. The only one I had trouble with was Mortal Kombat
Trilogy. It uses UNIVBE graphics driver, but UNIVBE is old, and
doesn't support any Geforce cards. >> Stay informed about: 6200 AGP vs GF3 Ti200 vs GF4 Ti4400 |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:36 am
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not super scientific, but I do benchmark using 3dmark every time (before and
after) I upgrade a major piece of equipment... seems the new video card gave
me about 2X speed increase. This was with 3DMark03:
3DMark Score: 1681
Date: 2005-06-19
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 2399 MHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200, 249 MHz / 513 MHz
Display Driver: 7.1.8.9
Driver Status: WHQL - FM Approved
Motherboard Model: P4P800
Resolution: 1024x768@32 bit
OS: Microsoft Windows XP
System Memory: 1024 MB
Video Memory: 128 MB
3DMark Score: 3806
Date: 2005-06-24
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 2399 MHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 6200, 299 MHz / 548 MHz
Display Driver: 7.7.7.2
Driver Status: WHQL - FM Approved
Motherboard Model: P4P800
Resolution: 1024x768@32 bit
OS: Microsoft Windows XP
System Memory: 1024 MB
Video Memory: 128 MB
also I was able to unlock the extra pipes on my 6200 and it gave me even
more of a boost to 4830 3DMarks.
Here are some other scores with upgrades I made along the way 
3DMark03
P4 3.0 - 6800GS - 10434 3DMarks
P4 2.4 - 6800GS - 11025 3DMarks (unlocked pipes)
P4 2.4 - 6800GS - 9947 3DMarks
P4 2.4 - 6600GT - 8068 3DMarks
P4 2.4 - 6200 - 4830 3DMarks (unlocked pipes)
P4 2.4 - 6200 - 3806 3DMarks
P4 2.4 - 4200Ti - 1681 3DMarks
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> MiKman wrote:
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>> I ran a full 128bit 6200 AGP in a P4 2.8Ghz machine. I upgraded from a
>> 4200Ti it's a quick little card I was very happy with the upgrade, I was
>> able to play BF2 on it quite nice with the settings turned down at
>> 1024X768.
>
> Any idea on how much faster than the 4200 it is?
> The 128bit 6200 I have looked at is even fanless.
> And I guess it won't need a new power supply either.
>
> But I need some benchmarks to decide :-/
> --
> Lars-Erik - http://www.osterud.name - ICQ 7297605
> XP, Asus P4PE, 2.53 GHz, Asus V8420 (Ti4200), SB-Live >> Stay informed about: 6200 AGP vs GF3 Ti200 vs GF4 Ti4400 |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:27 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:22 am
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:57 am
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:36 pm
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:15 am
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:57:17 +0100, Lars-Erik Østerud <.@.> wrote:
>MiKman wrote:
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>> It's a Leadtek 128bit 6200 . Here is a link to it exactly.
>> http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/257
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>Not the same card I'm afraid. I was looking at this:
>http://www.asus.com.tw/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2=7&l3=320&model=1479&modelmenu=1
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>Asus shows wome benchmarks where this is FASTER (both compared to a
>5700 card), but since this looks like a 64-bit that can be true, or...
The link is to a 7600GS, and not a 6200. The 7600GS AGP are
128bit cards, but in reference to your statement about a 6200 64bit
not being able to beat out an FX5700, this may not be that hard to
believe. I've been seeing lots of benchmarks showing a 6200 TC beating
the 5750 PCX out by a fps, or two. The 6200 128bit model beats it out
by a bit. Even though the NV44A based 6200 AGP only sports a 64bit
bus, it is still better than a Turbo Cache since the TC version shares
slow system RAM like onboard graphics chips, so at least in games that
use DX9 hardware even a 6200 64bit could be better than an FX5700.
I ordered the 6200 AGP card I talked about in my original
post, but upon arriving today, I noticed a compacitor was broken off
the PCB before I even opened the anti-static bag. I'll be shipping it
back for a replacement. I was hoping to see if it would be better than
the GF3 Ti200 in the system now, or if t would be no better. I'll have
wait about two weeks now. >> Stay informed about: 6200 AGP vs GF3 Ti200 vs GF4 Ti4400 |
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