So no more AGP cards for ATI?

"Doug" <pigdos.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message news:%Mtgf.22485$tV6.13011@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> Does anyone have any official word on whether or not ATI has officially
> obsoleted AGP?

AGP still accounts for 80% of installed systems, so I don't see how
they'd be able to obsolete it.
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Right now I don't think there is any point in upgrading an AGP video card
with a better AGP video card unless the one you have is very old and you're
on a tight budget. I currently have an AMD 2800+ Barton core cpu on an
Nvidia motherboard with a 9800 pro video card, and when I do make the move
to upgrade I'll go dual core cpu and PCIE graphics card. The way I see it,
my AGP system is still pretty good, so there is no point in making a small
incremental upgrade. I may as well save my money and wait to make a solid
jump ahead.

JK

"Doug" <pigdos.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Does anyone have any official word on whether or not ATI has officially
> obsoleted AGP?
>
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No Official word from anything I've heard.
I'm assuming ATI is just watching the market so see how many people with AGP
motherboards
keep upgrading their graphics card.

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> Does anyone have any official word on whether or not ATI has officially
> obsoleted AGP?
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"Small, incremental upgrade"? I know someone on Rage3d who has a system
similar to yours (and mine) who upgraded from a 9800Pro to a Nvidia 6800GT.
It doubled his framerates in Doom3, HL2 and Far Cry. The 9800 Pro is two
generations behind current GPU tech (the X800, X1800) and has half the
memory. I've got my Mobile Barton running at 2543Mhz -- I don't think
there's any CPU out there that has twice the performance of my Barton -- at
least in whetstones/dhrystones.

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"JK" <jkhpub.RemoveThis@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> Right now I don't think there is any point in upgrading an AGP video card
> with a better AGP video card unless the one you have is very old and
> you're on a tight budget. I currently have an AMD 2800+ Barton core cpu
> on an Nvidia motherboard with a 9800 pro video card, and when I do make
> the move to upgrade I'll go dual core cpu and PCIE graphics card. The way
> I see it, my AGP system is still pretty good, so there is no point in
> making a small incremental upgrade. I may as well save my money and wait
> to make a solid jump ahead.
>
> JK
>
> "Doug" <pigdos.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:%Mtgf.22485$tV6.13011@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>> Does anyone have any official word on whether or not ATI has officially
>> obsoleted AGP?
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Glen wrote:
> AGP still accounts for 80% of installed systems, so I don't see how
> they'd be able to obsolete it.

Indeed. Well put.
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kalev- wrote:

> Glen wrote:
>> AGP still accounts for 80% of installed systems, so I don't see how
>> they'd be able to obsolete it.
>
> Indeed. Well put.

They can't remove it from service, but they _can_ stop producing products
that support it, which is usually what is meant when a company is said to
"obolete" a technology.

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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet RemoveThis @snet.net.invalid> wrote in message news:dlv6h80r9k@news3.newsguy.com...
> kalev- wrote:
>
> > Glen wrote:
> >> AGP still accounts for 80% of installed systems, so I don't see how
> >> they'd be able to obsolete it.
> >
> > Indeed. Well put.
>
> They can't remove it from service, but they _can_ stop producing products
> that support it, which is usually what is meant when a company is said to
> "obolete" a technology.

Sure they can, but what company is in a big rush to decrease
their sales revenue by half or more?

The 80% figure is conservative. E.g. the installed base of AGP
systems is even higher among corporate/small business users.
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In article <ylGgf.4157$wf.629@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
nospam.DeleteThis@earthlink.net says...
> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet.DeleteThis@snet.net.invalid> wrote in message news:dlv6h80r9k@news3.newsguy.com...
> > kalev- wrote:
> >
> > > Glen wrote:
> > >> AGP still accounts for 80% of installed systems, so I don't see how
> > >> they'd be able to obsolete it.
> > >
> > > Indeed. Well put.
> >
> > They can't remove it from service, but they _can_ stop producing products
> > that support it, which is usually what is meant when a company is said to
> > "obolete" a technology.
>
> Sure they can, but what company is in a big rush to decrease
> their sales revenue by half or more?
>
> The 80% figure is conservative. E.g. the installed base of AGP
> systems is even higher among corporate/small business users.
>
>
>
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there an upper limit to how much
performance can be had from AGP that going to PCI Express solves?

For instance, if I had a top-of-the-line AGP X850 PE, is there any other
AGP solution that I could upgrade to that would significantly improve
performance?
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Glen wrote:

> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet.RemoveThis@snet.net.invalid> wrote in message
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>> kalev- wrote:
>>
>> > Glen wrote:
>> >> AGP still accounts for 80% of installed systems, so I don't see how
>> >> they'd be able to obsolete it.
>> >
>> > Indeed. Well put.
>>
>> They can't remove it from service, but they _can_ stop producing products
>> that support it, which is usually what is meant when a company is said to
>> "obolete" a technology.
>
> Sure they can, but what company is in a big rush to decrease
> their sales revenue by half or more?

What leads you to believe that half of ATI's sales revenue comes from AGP
boards?

> The 80% figure is conservative. E.g. the installed base of AGP
> systems is even higher among corporate/small business users.

And what percentage of corporate/small business users ever upgrade video
boards?

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There are no modern GPU's that can make use of the full bandwidth of AGP 8x,
so the higher bandwidth that PCI Express offers is a non-factor.

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> In article <ylGgf.4157$wf.629@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> nospam RemoveThis @earthlink.net says...
> Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there an upper limit to how much
> performance can be had from AGP that going to PCI Express solves?
>
> For instance, if I had a top-of-the-line AGP X850 PE, is there any other
> AGP solution that I could upgrade to that would significantly improve
> performance?
> --
> bc
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In article <R6Hgf.19423$7h7.2982@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
pigdos RemoveThis @nospam.com says...
> There are no modern GPU's that can make use of the full bandwidth of AGP 8x,
> so the higher bandwidth that PCI Express offers is a non-factor.
>
>
Well then count me in the group of folks who would indeed upgrade from
the X850 PE if an AGP card with a compelling performance advantage over
it became available. I am just not prepared to jump to PCI Express
anytime soon.
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In article <ylGgf.4157$wf.629@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
nospam.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net says...
> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet.TakeThisOut@snet.net.invalid> wrote in message news:dlv6h80r9k@news3.newsguy.com...
> > kalev- wrote:
> >
> > > Glen wrote:
> > >> AGP still accounts for 80% of installed systems, so I don't see how
> > >> they'd be able to obsolete it.
> > >
> > > Indeed. Well put.
> >
> > They can't remove it from service, but they _can_ stop producing products
> > that support it, which is usually what is meant when a company is said to
> > "obolete" a technology.
>
> Sure they can, but what company is in a big rush to decrease
> their sales revenue by half or more?
>
> The 80% figure is conservative. E.g. the installed base of AGP
> systems is even higher among corporate/small business users.
>
>
>

Where do you get the information that businesses update there video
cards instead of just buying a whole new system? If they're having a
video problem, the video is probably built into the motherboard, so
they just replace the motherboard.

Bill
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J. Clarke wrote:

>> Sure they can, but what company is in a big rush to decrease
>> their sales revenue by half or more?
>
> What leads you to believe that half of ATI's sales revenue comes from AGP
> boards?


If ATI did not continue to produce great gfx cards for AGP, (for the time
being) the shareholders should immediately fire the board for negligence.
This is all about money and volume.

Anyone sitting with Q1-Q3 2005 sales numbers for AGP vs PCI-e graphics
cards?
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