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Since: Oct 19, 2003 Posts: 27
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:38 pm
Post subject: ATX power supply, 20 vs 24 pin Archived from groups: comp>sys>ibm>pc>hardware>chips (more info?)
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The AT supply for my Tyan Trinity (Still on a K6-3 like Kieth was, until
recently) failed recently. I decided to try using an ATX supply I had,
but it won't fit gracefully into the box, as the interior fan is on TOP,
and it's a little flakey, and won't start up every time.
I have another ATX supply, and actually ended up using it in a machine
at work for several months when I thought its power supply was acting
up. (The real problem was more sinister, and the machine is now
considered dead, though I still have it in my office.) By the way, that
machine is/was a 600MHz Pentium III, Micron Millenium.
But until I tried to plug that supply into my Trinity, I hadn't noticed
that it had 24 pins. The keying is such that it would plug in to the
Trinity's 20 pin connector, but there's a capacitor there that won't
physically permit it to fully seat.
I've thought about taking my Dremel and cutting the extra 4 pins off.
But before doing that I want to be sure I'm not about to do something
bad to the Trinity because even though keyed alike, the connectors may
not be truly 'superset compatible'. This fear is heightened by the fact
that the colors of the wires on the two connectors are in NO way
matching. I've looked for such things on the web, and found 24 and 20
pin diagrams that look like the superset I need. But the colors on that
diagram are nothing like what's heading into this connector.
But this thing simply plugged into a 2000-era ATX board and simply
worked.
So did somebody bork the wire colors, or is it really a different
standard which I haven't found, yet?
So how much load do I need to put on which pins/voltages, so I can power
the thing up in isolation and check the voltages, pin by pin?
Thanks,
Dale Pontius
(My wife and I are using the kids' computer for the moment, but we need
to get our own back before our son heads off to college.) >> Stay informed about: ATX power supply, 20 vs 24 pin |
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Since: Jul 02, 2004 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:50 am
Post subject: Re: ATX power supply, 20 vs 24 pin [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:38:42 -0400 dale.TakeThisOut@edgehp.invalid (Dale Pontius) wrote:
> But until I tried to plug that supply into my Trinity, I hadn't noticed
> that it had 24 pins. The keying is such that it would plug in to the
> Trinity's 20 pin connector, but there's a capacitor there that won't
> physically permit it to fully seat.
>
> So did somebody bork the wire colors, or is it really a different
> standard which I haven't found, yet?
It's a different standard (EPS12V). 24-pin sockets are typically
used on server-class motherboards.
If you don't mind spending money, there are companies which market
24-pin to 20-pin adapter cables. Go Google. [Though one vendor I
ordered my adapter cable from had the male and female plugs mixed
up - and couldn't understand when I explained their mistake. I
eventually gave up - got the cable I wanted from another vendor.]
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Since: Jul 02, 2004 Posts: 10
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:27 pm
Post subject: Re: ATX power supply, 20 vs 24 pin [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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> ... I hadn't noticed that it had 24 pins.
Sounds like an EPS-12V supply, and
probably an EPS-12V version 1.7 at that.
> So did somebody bork the wire colors,
> or is it really a different
> standard which I haven't found, yet?
And if you buy a new one, it's likely
to be EPS-12V version 2.0.
They changed the connector at 2.0, and
I'm not sure if there are backward-
compatibility concerns.
You can find the 2.0 spec at:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ssiforum.org/docs/EPS12V_Spec_2_11.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ssiforum.org/docs/EPS12V_Spec_2_11.pdf</a>
Hmmm. Based on the filename, it appears that
they've tweaked it again.
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Since: Jul 02, 2004 Posts: 10
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:56 pm
Post subject: Re: ATX power supply, 20 vs 24 pin [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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> You can find the 2.0 spec at:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ssiforum.org/docs/EPS12V_Spec_2_11.pdf</font" target="_blank">http://www.ssiforum.org/docs/EPS12V_Spec_2_11.pdf</font</a>>
404
Looks like they fragmented the spec and
moved the bits to:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ssiforum.org/specifications.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.ssiforum.org/specifications.aspx</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: ATX power supply, 20 vs 24 pin |
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Since: Mar 10, 2004 Posts: 272
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:48 pm
Post subject: Re: ATX power supply, 20 vs 24 pin [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 07:50:26 -0500, mikus.DeleteThis@bga.com (Mikus Grinbergs)
wrote:
>On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:38:42 -0400 dale.DeleteThis@edgehp.invalid (Dale Pontius) wrote:
>> But until I tried to plug that supply into my Trinity, I hadn't noticed
>> that it had 24 pins. The keying is such that it would plug in to the
>> Trinity's 20 pin connector, but there's a capacitor there that won't
>> physically permit it to fully seat.
>>
>> So did somebody bork the wire colors, or is it really a different
>> standard which I haven't found, yet?
As far as I'm aware, it looks like the same pinout effectively. The
EPS requirement demands dual output for the +12V but shouldn't be a
problem if the board only expects to have single +12V from the PSU.
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Since: Oct 19, 2003 Posts: 27
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:17 pm
Post subject: Re: ATX power supply, 20 vs 24 pin [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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In article <d97c4731.0407021656.e66459c.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>,
email4rjn.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Bob Niland) writes:
>> You can find the 2.0 spec at:
<font color=green> >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ssiforum.org/docs/EPS12V_Spec_2_11.pdf</font" target="_blank">http://www.ssiforum.org/docs/EPS12V_Spec_2_11.pdf</font</a>>
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> 404
>
> Looks like they fragmented the spec and
> moved the bits to:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ssiforum.org/specifications.aspx</font" target="_blank">http://www.ssiforum.org/specifications.aspx</font</a>>
Thanks for the pointer. For little more than the cost of the silly
adapter, I think I'll just buy an ATX power supply. I may still
look at your document and see if the pins are a correct subset. I
also need to look at the system at work and see if the colors are
so odd. (5 red or black (forget which, or both?) wires in a row
on one side.)
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Since: Jul 13, 2004 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 7:45 pm
Post subject: Re: ATX power supply, 20 vs 24 pin [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Dale Pontius wrote:
>
> In article <d97c4731.0407021656.e66459c.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>,
> email4rjn.RemoveThis@yahoo.com (Bob Niland) writes:
> >> You can find the 2.0 spec at:
<font color=brown> > >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ssiforum.org/docs/EPS12V_Spec_2_11.pdf</font" target="_blank">http://www.ssiforum.org/docs/EPS12V_Spec_2_11.pdf</font</a>>
> >
> > 404
> >
> > Looks like they fragmented the spec and
> > moved the bits to:
<font color=green> > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ssiforum.org/specifications.aspx</font" target="_blank">http://www.ssiforum.org/specifications.aspx</font</a>>
>
> Thanks for the pointer. For little more than the cost of the silly
> adapter, I think I'll just buy an ATX power supply. I may still
> look at your document and see if the pins are a correct subset. I
> also need to look at the system at work and see if the colors are
> so odd. (5 red or black (forget which, or both?) wires in a row
> on one side.)
>
> Dale Pontius
1->1
2->2
3->3
4->4
5->5
6->6
7->7
8->8
9->9
10->10
13->11
14->12
15->13
16->14
17->15
18->16
19->17
20->18
21->19
22->20
There are also an 8 plug instead of the 4 plug:
1->1
2->2
5->3
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Since: Sep 09, 2004 Posts: 482
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:40 am
Post subject: Re: ATX power supply, 20 vs 24 pin [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:45:44 +0000, Johannes H Andersen wrote:
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>
> Dale Pontius wrote:
>>
>> In article <d97c4731.0407021656.e66459c.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>,
>> email4rjn.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Bob Niland) writes:
>> >> You can find the 2.0 spec at:
<font color=brown> >> >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ssiforum.org/docs/EPS12V_Spec_2_11.pdf</font" target="_blank">http://www.ssiforum.org/docs/EPS12V_Spec_2_11.pdf</font</a>>
>> >
>> > 404
>> >
>> > Looks like they fragmented the spec and
>> > moved the bits to:
<font color=brown> >> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ssiforum.org/specifications.aspx</font" target="_blank">http://www.ssiforum.org/specifications.aspx</font</a>>
>>
>> Thanks for the pointer. For little more than the cost of the silly
>> adapter, I think I'll just buy an ATX power supply. I may still
>> look at your document and see if the pins are a correct subset. I
>> also need to look at the system at work and see if the colors are
>> so odd. (5 red or black (forget which, or both?) wires in a row
>> on one side.)
>>
>> Dale Pontius
>
> 1->1
> 2->2
> 3->3
> 4->4
> 5->5
> 6->6
> 7->7
> 8->8
> 9->9
> 10->10
> 13->11
> 14->12
> 15->13
> 16->14
> 17->15
> 18->16
> 19->17
> 20->18
> 21->19
> 22->20
Just to be clear, is this mapping:
ATX12V => EPS12V
1 11 => 1 13
2 12 => 2 14
3 13 => 3 15
4 14 => 4 16
5 15 => 5 17
6 16 => 6 18
7 17 => 7 19
8 18 => 8 20
9 19 => 9 21
10 20 => 10 22
11 23 ) Last four locations
12 24 ) not used with ATX12V
> There are also an 8 plug instead of the 4 plug:
> 1->1
> 2->2
> 5->3
> 6->4
....which would be: (?)
ATX12V => EPS12V
1 3 => 1 5
2 4 => 2 6
3 7
4 8
My Tyan S2875 has an EPS12V set of connectors, but my case had an ATX12V
supply, which did surprise me. The instructions said it would work (it
did), but I was a tad leary about plugging in a drive power cable into the
board to get additional power, since the board really wanted all the power
connections of the EPS12V standard.
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