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Since: Mar 16, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:12 am
Post subject: Athlon 3200+
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This is my configuration:
Athlon 3200+ (actualy 2500+ - 11x200)
2x256 DDR 400Mhz RAM
Ati 9200 128MB (AGP4x)
I get only 6500 3dmarks 2001.
What's wrong?!? |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:07 am
Post subject: Re: Athlon 3200+ [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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What's wrong is the card. 9000/9200's of any kind are a complete POS for any
3D work. My setup is exactly like yours, 2500 running at 3200 spec, 2 x
512Mb Dual Channel DDR, Radeon 9100 128 Meg. Just ran 3dMark01SE and got
10233, 10087, and 10166 in 3 runs.A Radeon 8500 or 9100 will outperform any
9000 or 9200 because they are basically crippled processors with missing GPU
functions and pipelines. 8500's and 9100's are DX8 just like the
9000/9200's, but have better architecture. Cores are 250-275Mhz, and DDR
runs at 450-550Mhz. 9100's are fairly rare...they're just a rebadged 8500.
Have no idea why Radeon chose to classify the 9000/9200 as "9000" series. A
more accurate descriptor would be "Radeon 8000/8200". Do yourself a favor
and pick a 9600 Pro....then you'll see some impressive numbers. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 6:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Athlon 3200+ [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Augustus" <sashforth.DeleteThis@wrsd.ca> wrote in message
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> What's wrong is the card. 9000/9200's of any kind are a complete POS for
any
> 3D work. My setup is exactly like yours, 2500 running at 3200 spec, 2 x
> 512Mb Dual Channel DDR, Radeon 9100 128 Meg. Just ran 3dMark01SE and got
> 10233, 10087, and 10166 in 3 runs.A Radeon 8500 or 9100 will outperform
any
> 9000 or 9200 because they are basically crippled processors with missing
GPU
> functions and pipelines. 8500's and 9100's are DX8 just like the
> 9000/9200's, but have better architecture. Cores are 250-275Mhz, and DDR
> runs at 450-550Mhz. 9100's are fairly rare...they're just a rebadged 8500.
> Have no idea why Radeon chose to classify the 9000/9200 as "9000" series.
A
> more accurate descriptor would be "Radeon 8000/8200". Do yourself a favor
> and pick a 9600 Pro....then you'll see some impressive numbers.
>
>
Yeah....but why does my cousin (who owns a 2500+ 2x256 DDR 333MHz and a
GeForce4 MX 440 64MB) get over 7300 3D marks?!?!?
Isn't THAT confusing?
P.S. I am planing on buying ati 9600XT winth 128MB
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Athlon 3200+ [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> Yeah....but why does my cousin (who owns a 2500+ 2x256 DDR 333MHz and a
> GeForce4 MX 440 64MB) get over 7300 3D marks?!?!?
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> Isn't THAT confusing?
>
> P.S. I am planing on buying ati 9600XT winth 128MB
Thnx 4 the advice....
Judging by your spectacularly low benchmarks, I would guess that you have a
9200SE installed. "SE=Shitty Edition". To put things in perspective, I just
built a system for a buddy...Barton 2500 running stock, Soltek Nforce2,
1x512Mb PC3200 and an MSI FX5200 128Mb DDR card. All the latest NForce and
Detonators installed, this baby gets a screaming 5400 in 3DMark 2001. So the
bottom feeder NVidia cards are crappy too. You can expect a GeForce4 MX 440
to bench better than your 9200SE.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Athlon 3200+ |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:34 am
Post subject: Re: Athlon 3200+ [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> Judging by your spectacularly low benchmarks, I would guess that you have
a
> 9200SE installed. "SE=Shitty Edition". To put things in perspective, I
just
> built a system for a buddy...Barton 2500 running stock, Soltek Nforce2,
> 1x512Mb PC3200 and an MSI FX5200 128Mb DDR card. All the latest NForce and
> Detonators installed, this baby gets a screaming 5400 in 3DMark 2001. So
the
> bottom feeder NVidia cards are crappy too. You can expect a GeForce4 MX
440
> to bench better than your 9200SE.
>
>
OK...It doesn't matter anymore. I'll buy 9600XT next week.
P.S. My 9200 ISN'T SE version. It's a normal 9200 version with NO
sufixes....<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Athlon 3200+ |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:34 am
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"The Wonderer" <MAKNIwonderer.DeleteThis@hi.htnet.hr> wrote in message
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> >
> > Judging by your spectacularly low benchmarks, I would guess that you
have
> a
> > 9200SE installed. "SE=Shitty Edition". To put things in perspective, I
> just
> > built a system for a buddy...Barton 2500 running stock, Soltek Nforce2,
> > 1x512Mb PC3200 and an MSI FX5200 128Mb DDR card. All the latest NForce
and
> > Detonators installed, this baby gets a screaming 5400 in 3DMark 2001. So
> the
> > bottom feeder NVidia cards are crappy too. You can expect a GeForce4 MX
> 440
> > to bench better than your 9200SE.
> >
> >
>
> OK...It doesn't matter anymore. I'll buy 9600XT next week.
>
> P.S. My 9200 ISN'T SE version. It's a normal 9200 version with NO
> sufixes....
>
>
You may want to spend the extra and get the 256 MB version instead of the
128.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Athlon 3200+ |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:11 pm
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Augustus wrote:
>> Yeah....but why does my cousin (who owns a 2500+ 2x256 DDR 333MHz
>> and a GeForce4 MX 440 64MB) get over 7300 3D marks?!?!?
>>
>> Isn't THAT confusing?
>>
>> P.S. I am planing on buying ati 9600XT winth 128MB
> Thnx 4 the advice....
>
> Judging by your spectacularly low benchmarks, I would guess that you
> have a 9200SE installed. "SE=Shitty Edition". To put things in
> perspective, I just built a system for a buddy...Barton 2500 running
> stock, Soltek Nforce2, 1x512Mb PC3200 and an MSI FX5200 128Mb DDR
> card. All the latest NForce and Detonators installed, this baby gets
> a screaming 5400 in 3DMark 2001. So the bottom feeder NVidia cards
> are crappy too. You can expect a GeForce4 MX 440 to bench better
> than your 9200SE.
My missus has very similar machine, Soltek mobo, Barton 2500+, although
running at 3200 speed, and an FX5200.
She gets 5,585 Marks in 3DMark 2001SE.
I have my TbredB 1800 running at 2.1Ghz (same excellent Soltek SL-75FRN2-L)
and a ti4200 and get 11,912.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:11 pm
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> I have my TbredB 1800 running at 2.1Ghz (same excellent Soltek
SL-75FRN2-L)
> and a ti4200 and get 11,912.
Yes, the FX5200 of any variety is a total POS. The one I was recently
benching was a DDR version. God know what the SDR version does. Probably
3500 or so. My GeForce2 GTS Ultra beat it's 3DMark score by 1350.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Athlon 3200+ |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:58 pm
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:09 pm
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"rms" <rsquires.TakeThisOut@flashREMOVE.net> wrote in message
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> Consider a 9800pro for $200
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> rms
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???? 200$.... You must be kidding me....
I live in Croatia and Radeon 9800PRO 256Bit with 128MB
costs around 500$!!!!!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Athlon 3200+ |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:09 pm
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You can pick a new one up from ebay for about £150 ($225) plus shipping
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"The Wonderer" <MAKNIwonderer DeleteThis @hi.htnet.hr> wrote in message
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> "rms" <rsquires DeleteThis @flashREMOVE.net> wrote in message
> news:lrl6c.60199$kl1.44743@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
> > Consider a 9800pro for $200
> >
> > rms
> >
> >
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> ???? 200$.... You must be kidding me....
> I live in Croatia and Radeon 9800PRO 256Bit with 128MB
> costs around 500$!!!!!
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:03 am
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BK24 wrote:
>>> Judging by your spectacularly low benchmarks, I would guess that
>>> you have a 9200SE installed. "SE=Shitty Edition". To put things in
>>> perspective, I just built a system for a buddy...Barton 2500
>>> running stock, Soltek Nforce2, 1x512Mb PC3200 and an MSI FX5200
>>> 128Mb DDR card. All the latest NForce and Detonators installed,
>>> this baby gets a screaming 5400 in 3DMark 2001. So the bottom
>>> feeder NVidia cards are crappy too. You can expect a GeForce4 MX
>>> 440 to bench better than your 9200SE.
>>
>> OK...It doesn't matter anymore. I'll buy 9600XT next week.
>>
>> P.S. My 9200 ISN'T SE version. It's a normal 9200 version with NO
>> sufixes....
>>
> You may want to spend the extra and get the 256 MB version instead of
> the 128.
No no no please don't! (only if there is no price difference you could try
it).
You see really no difference at all, even at 1600*1200 with 4x FSAA and 16x
Anisotropic filtering, and a mid-range card like the 9600 XT is too slow to
be able to bring good FPS at those settings anyway.
Look here:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.overclockercafe.com/Reviews/VGA/Sapphire_9600XT-256mb/" target="_blank">http://www.overclockercafe.com/Reviews/VGA/Sapphire_9600XT-256mb/</a>
Thomas<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Athlon 3200+ |
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