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Since: Dec 07, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 4:50 pm
Post subject: Boot from USB
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Hi All,
I wish to boot from an external usb instead of the internal one. In my
bios, there is no way to do this. Is there software or any tricks l
can use to make this possible?
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Since: Nov 07, 2003
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:02 am
Post subject: Re: Boot from USB [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Previously Computer slayer <t21byy DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I wish to boot from an external usb instead of the internal one. In my
> bios, there is no way to do this. Is there software or any tricks l
> can use to make this possible?
No. This is fundamentally impossible, since the BIOS has full and
only control over the initial boot process.
Arno
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Since: Nov 30, 2003
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:02 am
Post subject: Re: Boot from USB [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Very funny Arnie. There is a boot manager that add Int13 support for El
Torito even if the BIOS doesn't.
"Arno Wagner" <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:br0bia$27d1g9$2@ID-2964.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > I wish to boot from an external usb instead of the internal one. In my
> > bios, there is no way to do this. Is there software or any tricks l
> > can use to make this possible?
>
> No. This is fundamentally impossible, since the BIOS has full and
> only control over the initial boot process.
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Since: Nov 10, 2003
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:41 am
Post subject: Re: Boot from USB [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Arno Wagner" <me.DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote in message news:br0bia$27d1g9$2@ID-2964.news.uni-berlin.de
> Previously Computer slayer <t21byy.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi All,
>
> > I wish to boot from an external usb instead of the internal one. In my
> > bios, there is no way to do this. Is there software or any tricks l
> > can use to make this possible?
>
> No. This is fundamentally impossible, since the BIOS has full and
> only control over the initial boot process.
Never heard of a bootmanager, I guess.
>
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Since: Nov 27, 2003
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 6:38 am
Post subject: Re: Boot from USB [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 8 Dec 2003 12:23:43 -0800
t21byy.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Computer slayer) wrote:
> "Eric Gisin" <ericgisin.DeleteThis@graffiti.net> wrote in message
> news:<br0pqb0m37.DeleteThis@enews3.newsguy.com>...
> > Very funny Arnie. There is a boot manager that add Int13 support for
> > El Torito even if the BIOS doesn't.
> >
> > "Arno Wagner" <me.DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > news:br0bia$27d1g9$2@ID-2964.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > I wish to boot from an external usb instead of the internal one.
> > > > In my bios, there is no way to do this. Is there software or any
> > > > tricks l can use to make this possible?
> > >
> > > No. This is fundamentally impossible, since the BIOS has full and
> > > only control over the initial boot process.
> > >
>
> Go ahead then guy's, tell me what a boot manager does?
A boot manager takes the place of the regular boot loader on the active
partition on the boot drive and allows control to be transferred to a
different boot loader from the one that is normally in that location, or
to the one that is normally in that location that has been
relocated.
> Surely there
> must be a piece of software out there that will allow you to re-boot
> (warm boot) a machine from a usb port.
Nope. Can't be done without firmware support--something has to be able
to recognize that there is a bootable device attached to the USB port
and transfer control to a program installed on that device--until that
happens the contents of the device are inaccessible.
> Regards
> Computer Slayer
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Since: Dec 04, 2003
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Boot from USB [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Arno Wagner <me RemoveThis @privacy.net> wrote in message
news:br0bia$27d1g9$2@ID-2964.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Computer slayer <t21byy RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote
>> I wish to boot from an external usb instead of the internal
>> one. In my bios, there is no way to do this. Is there
>> software or any tricks l can use to make this possible?
> No. This is fundamentally impossible, since the BIOS
> has full and only control over the initial boot process.
Have fun explaining how boot managers work.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Boot from USB |
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Since: Dec 07, 2003
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Boot from USB [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Eric Gisin" <ericgisin DeleteThis @graffiti.net> wrote in message news:<br0pqb0m37 DeleteThis @enews3.newsguy.com>...
> Very funny Arnie. There is a boot manager that add Int13 support for El
> Torito even if the BIOS doesn't.
>
> "Arno Wagner" <me DeleteThis @privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:br0bia$27d1g9$2@ID-2964.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > I wish to boot from an external usb instead of the internal one. In my
> > > bios, there is no way to do this. Is there software or any tricks l
> > > can use to make this possible?
> >
> > No. This is fundamentally impossible, since the BIOS has full and
> > only control over the initial boot process.
> >
Go ahead then guy's, tell me what a boot manager does? Surely there
must be a piece of software out there that will allow you to re-boot
(warm boot) a machine from a usb port.
Regards
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Since: Nov 09, 2003
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 6:27 am
Post subject: Re: Boot from USB [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Eric Gisin" <ericgisin.RemoveThis@graffiti.net> wrote:
> Very funny Arnie. There is a boot manager that add Int13 support for El
> Torito even if the BIOS doesn't.
And where would that boot manager be installed to?
> "Arno Wagner" <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:br0bia$27d1g9$2@ID-2964.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > I wish to boot from an external usb instead of the internal one. In my
> > > bios, there is no way to do this. Is there software or any tricks l
> > > can use to make this possible?
> >
> > No. This is fundamentally impossible, since the BIOS has full and
> > only control over the initial boot process.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Boot from USB |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 6:27 am
Post subject: Re: Boot from USB [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Zvi Netiv" <zvi RemoveThis @my_domain.com> wrote in message
news:349atv8o40b3jh23v42qi0aj906lpf8d0c@4ax.com...
> "Eric Gisin" <ericgisin RemoveThis @graffiti.net> wrote:
>
> > Very funny Arnie. There is a boot manager that add Int13 support for El
> > Torito even if the BIOS doesn't.
>
> And where would that boot manager be installed to?
>
Just like drive overlays, any Int13 support is originally on disk (typically
track 0) but is resident in memory (typically below 640K).
Even without this technique, you can add modules to any Award BIOS. It's
just a matter of writing a USB storage stack and the Int13 interface.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Boot from USB |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 10:47 am
Post subject: Re: Boot from USB [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Computer slayer <t21byy.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:13ca6042.0312081223.4f48fc4e@posting.google.com...
> Eric Gisin <ericgisin.DeleteThis@graffiti.net> wrote
>> Very funny Arnie. There is a boot manager that add
>> Int13 support for El Torito even if the BIOS doesn't.
>> Arno Wagner <me.DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote
>>>> I wish to boot from an external usb instead of the internal one.
>>>> In my bios, there is no way to do this. Is there software or any
>>>> tricks l can use to make this possible?
>>> No. This is fundamentally impossible, since the BIOS
>>> has full and only control over the initial boot process.
> Go ahead then guy's, tell me what a boot manager does?
Manages the boot, silly.
> Surely there must be a piece of software out there that will
> allow you to re-boot (warm boot) a machine from a usb port.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 3:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Boot from USB [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Eric Gisin" <ericgisin RemoveThis @graffiti.net> wrote:
> "Zvi Netiv" <zvi RemoveThis @my_domain.com> wrote in message
> news:349atv8o40b3jh23v42qi0aj906lpf8d0c@4ax.com...
> > "Eric Gisin" <ericgisin RemoveThis @graffiti.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Very funny Arnie. There is a boot manager that add Int13 support for El
> > > Torito even if the BIOS doesn't.
> >
> > And where would that boot manager be installed to?
> >
> Just like drive overlays, any Int13 support is originally on disk (typically
> track 0) but is resident in memory (typically below 640K).
The question was rhetoric. 
> Even without this technique, you can add modules to any Award BIOS. It's
> just a matter of writing a USB storage stack and the Int13 interface.
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