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(Msg. 46) Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:56 pm
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I left the memory settiings on auto, ostensibly to detect the most
efficient numbers for the RAM. The chips ran fine, but there was a
slight decrease in overall system speed. I may investigate further
and play with the settings.

About the 2900 chip: I had to manually increase CPU frequency in BIOS
(v.1). As shipped, the board set the 2900 CPU at 133 MHz and the
resulting CPU speed was around 1.3 GHz. So, what you read seems
accurate.

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(Msg. 47) Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:55 am
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I noted that chip is not listed in the manual.
Have you dropped Chaintech a line concerning that? There support
usually gives an answer in a couple of days.
I've noted you kept mentioning overclocked. Are you actually running
the 2900 at 3200?
Since you likely got it from Tiger, I'd be inclined to say ask them,
"NOT".
I've never seen any company thriving that was such a PIA to deal
with.

The manual lists the 3200 Barton, who's core voltage is at or lower
than most slower chips. Have you ever noted a temp issue? Higher
voltage, more heat. But no specs as to current draw. Likely would
have to get from AMD, but I'd bet the draw is higher than for other
chips. Of note would be the figures for 3200 (400FSB) compared to the
3000 (333FSB). Might also be a difference in voltage/current draw for
your RAM sets, and in what should be the maxed/matched performance,
you end up tipping the scale, but that won't fit if the problem is
with the slower.
I have to ask which utility you are using to measure performance? Many
of them no longer work with 9x OS. It might be interesting to run
speedfan simultaneously to see how temps end up. It is the only one
I've found to monitor temps, two sensors, one of them probably on
cpu.

Another possibility that comes to mind of performance, is the north
chip and loaded memory controllers. On this mobo, it looked like the
heat sink had been disturbed after the paste dried, causing voids and
air pockets. I have no idea if certain data related to memory
controllers, such as RAM speed or config ends up stored in registry
or other file. If such factors are important to the drivers, it is
possible that might be stored to speed loading of OS.

I do wish Chaintech had given a detailed change of bios. Seems there
must be some major change to require reloading OS? Way beyond just
detecting Sempron chips. That would seem rather simplistic, to have
the bios interegate the cpu for recognition, and then just continue
with loading. There has to be something else such as how other
functions interact with each other, even if in the same chip(north or
south).
It couldn't be something as simple as the OS reporting the correct cpu
in the device manager, could it? I will browse through the OEMx.inf
files to see if there is a clue.

Norman

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(Msg. 48) Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:55 am
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Norman,

I have the 2900 running at 1.99 GHz, with the FSB set at 200 MHz.

I have not contacted Chaintech; after a lengthy search of online AMD
resources (including discussions in this forum around Feb-Mar 05), we
as users concluded that the 2900 was an OEM chip, that probably did
not meet the 3000 specs and was mass-sold accordingly. I found
samples at TigerDirect and ComputerGeeks.com. I do not think it was
ever designed as a 2900, just came out that way....

I use Speedfan to monitor. It reports the CPU and chipset both in the
low/mid 20's C on both systems. By contrast, my P4/1300 system runs
in the 40's C. Also, it was Speedfan that alerted me that my XP 1700
was running hot (over 50 C; after a thorough cleaning I got it down
into the mid 30s).

I tried to use Motherboard Monitor to track temps and voltages, but it
does not yet cover this board, and I do not know if it will anytime
soon.

I concur on the limited BIOS information. Everything about this system
is sketchy.
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(Msg. 49) Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:55 pm
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Someething like my UltraCrap RAM. They should have at least reburned
the SPD so it would detect properly.

Knowing the 1.99 @ 200/400 FSB should show in some table as to what it
really matches, 3K or 3.2K, unless they changed the multiplier or
something. Looking at other Barton 400FSB, that would mean they had
to set it at 10.25 when all others used increments of .5.

your temps must be idle. I've got a little load. Running antivirus and
foobar (streaming Alice Cooper's DJ show at 160KBS) and mine jump to
~35 & 45 C on this Sempron 2800. Wish I knew where that first
sensor is located. Certain the second is on cpu. That runs a little
lower since repasting as it used to get close to 50 C.

MBM wouldn't work for me either. So not a bios thing, maybe.

Seems lots of hardware is coming with minimum documentation and
getting worse all the time.

I wonder, do they crank up the retail or the OEM line first with
production.
I seem to recall some 3200's /400 available in retail, but long gone.
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(Msg. 50) Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:55 pm
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Ud,

Welcome back, and WILCO.

The only reason I do not try that right now on my XP 3000 system is
the difficulty reaching the CMOS jumper (This baby is touchy). I
will test these settings this weekend.

Thanks,
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(Msg. 51) Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:35 am
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i've been hovering. Very Happy

i'll put together a few suggestions for you. it's getting a little late. i think we can avoid most of the clearing of the bios.


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(Msg. 52) Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:18 pm
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i've just fired up my 7nif4 with a xp2600(11.5x166=1909). i raised the fsb to 180/180 which gives me 2076. i'm running prime95 at the moment. i had it much higher but it wouldn't run prime95 for long. i'm at stock voltage. superpi at stock is 55sec and at the oc it runs 50sec.


my suggestions are:

run superpi to get a benchmark to compare.

http://www.xtremesystems.com/pi/

run it with your current settings and the stock setting 166/166(100%)

then at stock bios setting of 166/166 cpu aggressive run this:

http://www.cpuid.com/clockgen.php

with it up the fsb a few at a time or the program will lock up. the higher you go you can run superpi to see improvements. like i said above you'll be able to go higher than stable with this program.


once you find a prime stable fsb you should be able to set the bios to that number and you'll be good to go. at that point you can play around with timings.

http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm

at some point i plan on doing a pin mod and raise the vcore to 1.85 and see how high i can go.


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(Msg. 53) Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:55 am
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I don't believe that method of getting speed, overclocking the RAM
will work for me as it would mean running the cpu much slower and I
would actually lose in the long run. RAM refuses stability at 166.

I did question Chaintech on the RAM issue. My letter covered many
facets including whether the voltage adjusted maybe via the bios as
the speed or timing was changed. How much current was available at
upper limit and how critical the voltage requirement was in
relationship to different RAM I'd seen available with their posted
voltage specs. How well the voltage was regulated, such as would the
regulator hold beyond the point other hardware using the +5V line
would likely fail first.
The answer looks like it came from the Asian office and is over
simplified and questionable as to accuracy since it disagrees with
the manul. Here it is, and I've requested more info.

Dear Sir,
Because the 7NJL6 just provides 2.7V working voltage to Memory part so
please uses the suitable Memory module as the PC3200 on it.
Thank you very much!

Best regards,
ChainTech Technical Support
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(Msg. 54) Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:43 pm
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see what this program says about your ram. i looked back in the thread and see where you got less than you had wanted when you bought the ram. you may be bottlenecking at the ram with your settings. may be like the differnce between a expressway and a highway with a traffic light. just one of my wild guesses, btw. Very Happy

http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Info/Everest-Home-Edition.shtml

doesn't hurt to try. run superpi at your current settings, then lower the cpu down and then work up towards the 166fsb with clock gen. you may get close!

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(Msg. 55) Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:55 pm
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dah, i'm embarrassed. not the first time though.

i just another post elsewhere that the xp2900+ is a 400fsb. how long have i had that wrong. never dawned on me. Very Happy


i'll shut up, for a while anyway. Very Happy


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