Chip resistor for Dell OEM fx 5200 video card

Mr.E Solved! wrote:
> gabbey wrote:
>> I've acquired a Dell OEM video card, 128MB nVidia fx 5200 AGP, P/N:
>> 128A8N305A
>>
>> It has a burned surface-mount resistor just behind the SVGA connector at
>> the top edge (of connector.) It's also very close to a toroidal coil
>> mounted
>> nearby. There's a number just legible stamped on it which looks like
>> "110".
>> I'd like to identify the value of this component so a new chip can be
>> soldered in place. Anyone have schematic or parts list?
>>
>> -G
>>
>>
>>
>
> I can fix it for you for the low low price $12.52.

Indeed.

The amount of time involved in researching, obtaining, integrating, and
testing a component parts repair on this card would likely yield enough,
if merely worked at minimum wage, to buy a new card several times over.

Time is money. This card isn't worth either of his.

Venger
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"gabbey" <gabbey.maps DeleteThis @bkwds.dynanet.com> wrote in message
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> I've acquired a Dell OEM video card, 128MB nVidia fx 5200 AGP, P/N:
> 128A8N305A
>
> It has a burned surface-mount resistor just behind the SVGA connector at
> the top edge (of connector.) It's also very close to a toroidal coil
> mounted
> nearby. There's a number just legible stamped on it which looks like
> "110".
> I'd like to identify the value of this component so a new chip can be
> soldered in place. Anyone have schematic or parts list?

Does the card run normally otherwise? Kind of a lot of effort for a $8-10
card. That part number is an eVGA one. Don't know where you'd get this kind
of info...
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:50:06 -0500, Venger <venger DeleteThis @augustmail.com>
brought the following to our attention:

>Mr.E Solved! wrote:
>> gabbey wrote:
>>> I've acquired a Dell OEM video card, 128MB nVidia fx 5200 AGP, P/N:
>>> 128A8N305A
>>>
>>> It has a burned surface-mount resistor just behind the SVGA connector at
>>> the top edge (of connector.) It's also very close to a toroidal coil mounted
>>> nearby. There's a number just legible stamped on it which looks like "110".
>>> I'd like to identify the value of this component so a new chip can be
>>> soldered in place. Anyone have schematic or parts list?
>>>
>>> -G
>>
>> I can fix it for you for the low low price $12.52.
>
>Indeed.
>
>The amount of time involved in researching, obtaining, integrating, and
>testing a component parts repair on this card would likely yield enough,
>if merely worked at minimum wage, to buy a new card several times over.
>
>Time is money. This card isn't worth either of his.
>
>Venger

LOL -- Mr. E is referring to the price I paid through an ebay purchase
for the fx 5200 card last week, which he was of great assistance in
advising about AGP slots, bridge chipsets, and compatibility, etc.

-G
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:12:12 GMT, "Augustus" <no_one.RemoveThis@nowhere.net>
brought the following to our attention:
>
>"gabbey" <gabbey.maps.RemoveThis@bkwds.dynanet.com> wrote in message
>
>> I've acquired a Dell OEM video card, 128MB nVidia fx 5200 AGP, P/N:
>> 128A8N305A
>>
>> It has a burned surface-mount resistor just behind the SVGA connector at
>> the top edge (of connector.) It's also very close to a toroidal coil mounted
>> nearby. There's a number just legible stamped on it which looks like "110".
>> I'd like to identify the value of this component so a new chip can be
>> soldered in place. Anyone have schematic or parts list?
>
>Does the card run normally otherwise? Kind of a lot of effort for a $8-10 card.
>That part number is an eVGA one. Don't know where you'd get this kind of info...
>

The card is now installed and seems to work normally. Only have driver
44.03 installed because that's what the 32MB TNT2 was running. Have
93.71 ready to install within the hour.

The card sold for $12.52 so I must have paid a premium. )

The P/N came right off the sticker on the solder-side of the board.
Maybe I copied it incorrectly. It's very similar to THIS board from Dell
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/video/p57010/en/spec.htm

except no DVI connector. The charred component location can be seen
on the FRONT side view ~1/4" to the right of the SVGA top mounting cleat
and just a tad above. To the right of that is a white rectangular
imprint of some kind. The `chip´ (supposedly a resistor) is still
intact, i.e. not an open circuit, but it got crispy a one time.

-G
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The resistor just burned out by itself, eh? May have been for the better:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1577&p=5

--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."


"gabbey" <gabbey.maps RemoveThis @bkwds.dynanet.com> wrote in message
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> I've acquired a Dell OEM video card, 128MB nVidia fx 5200 AGP, P/N:
> 128A8N305A
>
> It has a burned surface-mount resistor just behind the SVGA connector at
> the top edge (of connector.) It's also very close to a toroidal coil
> mounted
> nearby. There's a number just legible stamped on it which looks like
> "110".
> I'd like to identify the value of this component so a new chip can be
> soldered in place. Anyone have schematic or parts list?
>
> -G
>
>
>
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gabbey.maps RemoveThis @bkwds.dynanet.com wrote:

> LOL -- Mr. E is referring to the price I paid through an ebay purchase
> for the fx 5200 card last week, which he was of great assistance in
> advising about AGP slots, bridge chipsets, and compatibility, etc.
>
> -G

Good lord don't drag me into this, I have a reputation to uphold! I
can't be seen anywhere near a GeForceFX. <puts hand in front of camera>

It's too bad that thingy fell off, I had a capacitor fall off a 6800GT
as it came out of the retail box. It worked well enough, both 2D and 3D.
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110 would indicate a 10 ohm resistor 1 + one 0 + no 0....

... a 100 ohm resistor would be marked 101 1+ one 0 + one 0, and
finally a 1,500 ohm resistor (1.5K) would be 1 + 5 + two 0, simply
marked 152.

You could get away with a 0.25W 10 ohm standard wire ended metal film
resistor if there is room to mount.

The cost of these are very low, you usually buy in multiples of 10, but
bear in mind resistors can double up as fuses... so if it has burned up
a replacement 'may' go the same way if other faults are present... some
resistors run slightly warm.

davy
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:13:12 -0400, "Mr.E Solved!" <Iamsingle.TakeThisOut@askme.out>
brought the following to our attention:

>gabbey.maps@bkwds.dynanet.com wrote:
>
>> LOL -- Mr. E is referring to the price I paid through an ebay purchase
>> for the fx 5200 card last week, which he was of great assistance in
>> advising about AGP slots, bridge chipsets, and compatibility, etc.
>>
>> -G
>
>Good lord don't drag me into this, I have a reputation to uphold! I
>can't be seen anywhere near a GeForceFX. <puts hand in front of camera>
>
>It's too bad that thingy fell off, I had a capacitor fall off a 6800GT
>as it came out of the retail box. It worked well enough, both 2D and 3D.


The board is installed and working with 93.71 drivers but I can't as yet
see any difference in FS8. What's worse is that it was my first ebay
purchase, and if this guy with 98% fav rating ships a board all crud and
dust with a toasted component, then ebay might not be a good place for
me!!

-G
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:01:00 -0400, "First of One" <root DeleteThis @127.0.0.1>
brought the following to our attention:

>The resistor just burned out by itself, eh? May have been for the better:
>http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1577&p=5
>
>--
>"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
>It can therefore be said that politics is war without
>bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."

Hmm.. you think it might be part of a LPF? Look at the first image on
your webpage link above, at the green rectangular chip near the VGA
connector. That's likely the component I'm describing.

-G

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government obligations now totals $65.9 trillion,
a sum that is impossible for the US to reconcile,
which means the US is now technically bankrupt."

-Professor Laurence Kotlikoff,
St Louis Federal Reserve Review,
July/August, Issue 2006

--
"The fact of the matter is, as you and I both well
know, that this country is bankrupt!!"

-Uncle Greg, doing FDR impression


>"gabbey" <gabbey.maps DeleteThis @bkwds.dynanet.com> wrote in message
>
>> I've acquired a Dell OEM video card, 128MB nVidia fx 5200 AGP, P/N: 128A8N305A
>>
>> It has a burned surface-mount resistor just behind the SVGA connector at
>> the top edge (of connector.) It's also very close to a toroidal coil mounted
>> nearby. There's a number just legible stamped on it which looks like "110".
>> I'd like to identify the value of this component so a new chip can be
>> soldered in place. Anyone have schematic or parts list?
>>
>> -G
>>
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"davy" <davy.2yanfd.RemoveThis@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> 110 would indicate a 10 ohm resistor 1 + one 0 + no 0....
>
> .. a 100 ohm resistor would be marked 101 1+ one 0 + one 0, and
> finally a 1,500 ohm resistor (1.5K) would be 1 + 5 + two 0, simply
> marked 152.
>
> You could get away with a 0.25W 10 ohm standard wire ended metal film
> resistor if there is room to mount.
>
> The cost of these are very low, you usually buy in multiples of 10, but
> bear in mind resistors can double up as fuses... so if it has burned up
> a replacement 'may' go the same way if other faults are present... some
> resistors run slightly warm.
>
> davy
>

Great info.. thanks!! ))

-G
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gabbey.maps.DeleteThis@bkwds.dynanet.com wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:01:00 -0400, "First of One" <root.DeleteThis@127.0.0.1>
> brought the following to our attention:
>
>> The resistor just burned out by itself, eh? May have been for the better:
>> http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1577&p=5
>>
>> --
>> "War is the continuation of politics by other means.
>> It can therefore be said that politics is war without
>> bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
>
> Hmm.. you think it might be part of a LPF? Look at the first image on
> your webpage link above, at the green rectangular chip near the VGA
> connector. That's likely the component I'm describing.
>
> -G
>

The green rectangle in that picture, is a Polyfuse. That fuse
may be protecting a 5V feed to the graphics connector. The
5V is sent to the monitor, to power the DDC and EDID, so that
the monitor resolution limits can be read, even when the
monitor is switched off or unplugged.

(Upper right connector, pin 9, "DDC+5", would be where the
Polyfuse might be feeding. Not all VGA setups use that +5,
and some cables/connectors are missing the connection to
that pin 9.)

http://www.networktechinc.com/technote.html

A Polyfuse, is a fuse, and it is also an automatically resetting
type. It should not burn out. Unless severely abused (
i.e. in a constant overload state for its entire life, forced
to go through many recrystallization cycles).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyfuse

Also, another thing to note. The numbers printed on electronic
components can be a "rating" (i.e. directly usable info for
finding a substitute) or the value can be a "code". For a "code",
you need a lookup table, to convert the "code" to a rating. Many
surface mount components use "codes", and the letters/numbers are
otherwise meaningless. Older through hole components had ratings
for their labeling.

This is an example of SMT polyfuses, where the marking on the top
is a "code" and not a rating. You would use this sheet, to convert
the letter on the top, into a rating, for finding a replacement.

http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Data_Sheets/Littelfuse_1206L.pdf

This is an example of a datasheet that might apply to the green one.
Since there is no lookup table, the marking on the top is an actual
"rating". A value of 1X1 would be 1.1 amps. 050 would be 0.5 amps.
This particular part is available in ratings up to 2.6 amps. AFAIK,
Wickmann owns the Polyfuse branding (and apparently, they were
bought by Littlefuse).

http://web.archive.org/web/20040804122001/http://www.wickmann.com/prod...s/SMD18

So SMT components require a bit more care, when finding a substitute.
Especially if you plan on slapping in a non-exact replacement. I
don't expect you'll find a Polyfuse at Radio Shack.

Paul
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:51:39 -0400, Paul <nospam.DeleteThis@needed.com> brought the
following to our attention:

>gabbey.maps@bkwds.dynanet.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:01:00 -0400, "First of One" <root.DeleteThis@127.0.0.1>
>> brought the following to our attention:
>>
>>> The resistor just burned out by itself, eh? May have been for the better:
>>> http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1577&p=5
>>>
>>> --
>>> "War is the continuation of politics by other means.
>>> It can therefore be said that politics is war without
>>> bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
>>
>> Hmm.. you think it might be part of a LPF? Look at the first image on
>> your webpage link above, at the green rectangular chip near the VGA
>> connector. That's likely the component I'm describing.
>>
>> -G
>>

Thanks for that!! The white numbers (barely legible) on top of the
charred component were `110´ if you would like to decode it.

-G


>
>The green rectangle in that picture, is a Polyfuse. That fuse
>may be protecting a 5V feed to the graphics connector. The
>5V is sent to the monitor, to power the DDC and EDID, so that
>the monitor resolution limits can be read, even when the
>monitor is switched off or unplugged.
>
>(Upper right connector, pin 9, "DDC+5", would be where the
>Polyfuse might be feeding. Not all VGA setups use that +5,
>and some cables/connectors are missing the connection to
>that pin 9.)
>
>http://www.networktechinc.com/technote.html
>
>A Polyfuse, is a fuse, and it is also an automatically resetting
>type. It should not burn out. Unless severely abused (
>i.e. in a constant overload state for its entire life, forced
>to go through many recrystallization cycles).
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyfuse
>
>Also, another thing to note. The numbers printed on electronic
>components can be a "rating" (i.e. directly usable info for
>finding a substitute) or the value can be a "code". For a "code",
>you need a lookup table, to convert the "code" to a rating. Many
>surface mount components use "codes", and the letters/numbers are
>otherwise meaningless. Older through hole components had ratings
>for their labeling.
>
>This is an example of SMT polyfuses, where the marking on the top
>is a "code" and not a rating. You would use this sheet, to convert
>the letter on the top, into a rating, for finding a replacement.
>
>http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Data_Sheets/Littelfuse_1206L.pdf
>
>This is an example of a datasheet that might apply to the green one.
>Since there is no lookup table, the marking on the top is an actual
>"rating". A value of 1X1 would be 1.1 amps. 050 would be 0.5 amps.
>This particular part is available in ratings up to 2.6 amps. AFAIK,
>Wickmann owns the Polyfuse branding (and apparently, they were
>bought by Littlefuse).
>
>http://web.archive.org/web/20040804122001/http://www.wickmann.com/products/SMD1812.pdf
>
>So SMT components require a bit more care, when finding a substitute.
>Especially if you plan on slapping in a non-exact replacement. I
>don't expect you'll find a Polyfuse at Radio Shack.
>
> Paul
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gabbey.maps.DeleteThis@bkwds.dynanet.com wrote:
>
> Thanks for that!! The white numbers (barely legible) on top of the
> charred component were `110´ if you would like to decode it.
>
> -G

Following the general theme, that would be 1.1 amps.

It is really a question, of how much current the spec that
covers DDC expects. 1.1 amps is quite a bit. I think the idea
is, that the 5V coming from the video card, is powering an
8 pin EEPROM inside the monitor, and there really should not
be a lot of other circuitry included besides that.

The other thing I was hinting at, is if that component is
connected to pin 9 on the VGA connector, and you find that
pin 9 is missing on the VGA cable you normally use,
then fixing it might not be a priority. So, first, think
through how it works or what it is for, and maybe in fact
you don't need it.

The curious part for me, is how the thing burned out in the
first place. Maybe the short is still there. If you are
intent on placing another fuse there, then you'd want to
check whether whatever caused it to blow, is still there
or not.

If you cannot find a polyfuse, you could use some other
kind of fuse in its place. But a polyfuse is a very nice
device to have, because of its self-resetting feature.

Paul
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