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BobN

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:05 am Post subject: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes Archived from groups: alt>comp>hardware>pc-homebuilt (more info?)

I am running Windows XP Home SP2. My C: drive is a WD, EIDE, 20Gb, single partition, FAT 32 containing some 8 Gb of data. The clone drive is as above in an external enclosure connected through the USB port. I usually clone the C: drive about once a month using Retrospect Express. No errors are reported. By chance, I compared the two drives and found that the clone drive contains only some 6 Gb of data. I do not know where the other bytes are. I notice that the clone drive has no "My Documents" folder or Recycle Bin, neither of which contains more than a few Mb of data on my C: drive. All the other folders and files seem to be there, but I am coming up short 2 Gb. Can anyone provide an explanation? TIA >> Stay informed about: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes

johns

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:05 am Post subject: Re: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

You'll see that if Retrospect is using a compression algorithm ... and that would be about right. I use an imaging program, and it use to spook me to see 10 or more gig difference between the listed size of the data that was being imaged, and then have the image program "finish" at many gigs less than what it listed. I finally had a dream about it ... .... and figured out that the compression size was what was finally listed at finish. If that is true about Retrospect, go in and set it for " no compression". By the way, Retrospect Sucks !!!! I use Drive Image 2001 which is much faster, and a lot safer. johns >> Stay informed about: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:23 am Post subject: Re: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

In article <65ea1gum82h8$.idx53v2m0cj0.dlg@40tude.net>, BobN <bob DeleteThis @xspamx.com> wrote: > I am running Windows XP Home SP2. > > My C: drive is a WD, EIDE, 20Gb, single partition, FAT 32 containing some 8 > Gb of data. > > The clone drive is as above in an external enclosure connected through the > USB port. > > I usually clone the C: drive about once a month using Retrospect Express. > No errors are reported. By chance, I compared the two drives and found > that the clone drive contains only some 6 Gb of data. I do not know where > the other bytes are. I notice that the clone drive has no "My Documents" > folder or Recycle Bin, neither of which contains more than a few Mb of data > on my C: drive. All the other folders and files seem to be there, but I am > coming up short 2 Gb. > > Can anyone provide an explanation? > > TIA Your computer uses a swap file for its virtual memory. Does that get backed up ? Maybe that is where the space went. Paul >> Stay informed about: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes

ScottL

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: Re: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

I'm not familiar with Retrospect Express, but see if it has a "forensic mode" similar to Ghost's. This will copy all sectors of a drive, even reserved sectors and hidden partitions. I'm thinking your drive has a 2GB hidden partition (some from Dell, HP etc do). "BobN" <bob.DeleteThis@xspamx.com> wrote in message news:65ea1gum82h8$.idx53v2m0cj0.dlg@40tude.net... > I am running Windows XP Home SP2. > > My C: drive is a WD, EIDE, 20Gb, single partition, FAT 32 containing some 8 > Gb of data. > > The clone drive is as above in an external enclosure connected through the > USB port. > > I usually clone the C: drive about once a month using Retrospect Express. > No errors are reported. By chance, I compared the two drives and found > that the clone drive contains only some 6 Gb of data. I do not know where > the other bytes are. I notice that the clone drive has no "My Documents" > folder or Recycle Bin, neither of which contains more than a few Mb of data > on my C: drive. All the other folders and files seem to be there, but I am > coming up short 2 Gb. > > Can anyone provide an explanation? > > TIA >> Stay informed about: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

ScottL <scott_invalid RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote: > I'm not familiar with Retrospect Express, but see if it has a > "forensic mode" similar to Ghost's. This will copy all sectors > of a drive, even reserved sectors and hidden partitions. > I'm thinking your drive has a 2GB hidden > partition (some from Dell, HP etc do). That doesnt explain the amount of data on the C drive, or the missing My Documents folder on the clone either. > "BobN" <bob RemoveThis @xspamx.com> wrote in message > news:65ea1gum82h8$.idx53v2m0cj0.dlg@40tude.net... >> I am running Windows XP Home SP2. >> >> My C: drive is a WD, EIDE, 20Gb, single partition, FAT 32 containing >> some 8 Gb of data. >> >> The clone drive is as above in an external enclosure connected >> through the USB port. >> >> I usually clone the C: drive about once a month using Retrospect >> Express. No errors are reported. By chance, I compared the two >> drives and found that the clone drive contains only some 6 Gb of >> data. I do not know where the other bytes are. I notice that the >> clone drive has no "My Documents" folder or Recycle Bin, neither of >> which contains more than a few Mb of data on my C: drive. All the >> other folders and files seem to be there, but I am coming up short 2 >> Gb. >> >> Can anyone provide an explanation? >> >> TIA >> Stay informed about: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes

ScottL

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message news:4jvv4nF9vu26U1@individual.net... > ScottL <scott_invalid DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote: > > > I'm not familiar with Retrospect Express, but see if it has a > > "forensic mode" similar to Ghost's. This will copy all sectors > > of a drive, even reserved sectors and hidden partitions. > > > I'm thinking your drive has a 2GB hidden > > partition (some from Dell, HP etc do). > > That doesnt explain the amount of data on the C drive, > or the missing My Documents folder on the clone either. True. Maybe it's a slack space issue? Compare cluster sizes on the two drives. Or as someone else pointed out, maybe the disk imaging program is compressing data. > > "BobN" <bob DeleteThis @xspamx.com> wrote in message > > news:65ea1gum82h8$.idx53v2m0cj0.dlg@40tude.net... > >> I am running Windows XP Home SP2. > >> > >> My C: drive is a WD, EIDE, 20Gb, single partition, FAT 32 containing > >> some 8 Gb of data. > >> > >> The clone drive is as above in an external enclosure connected > >> through the USB port. > >> > >> I usually clone the C: drive about once a month using Retrospect > >> Express. No errors are reported. By chance, I compared the two > >> drives and found that the clone drive contains only some 6 Gb of > >> data. I do not know where the other bytes are. I notice that the > >> clone drive has no "My Documents" folder or Recycle Bin, neither of > >> which contains more than a few Mb of data on my C: drive. All the > >> other folders and files seem to be there, but I am coming up short 2 > >> Gb. > >> > >> Can anyone provide an explanation? > >> > >> TIA > > >> Stay informed about: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes

John Weiss

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote: > > That doesnt explain the amount of data on the C drive, > or the missing My Documents folder on the clone either. Compression could explain the number of bytes. If the OP has the My Documents folder redirected to another folder (e.g., D:\Documents), My Documents would only be a link, and no longer a discrete folder. >> Stay informed about: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes

Rod Speed

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

ScottL <scott_invalid RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote >> ScottL <scott_invalid RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote >>> I'm not familiar with Retrospect Express, but see if it has a >>> "forensic mode" similar to Ghost's. This will copy all sectors >>> of a drive, even reserved sectors and hidden partitions. >>> I'm thinking your drive has a 2GB hidden >>> partition (some from Dell, HP etc do). >> That doesnt explain the amount of data on the C drive, >> or the missing My Documents folder on the clone either. > True. > Maybe it's a slack space issue? Unlikely, the discrepancy is too much for that, and it STILL doesnt explain the missing My Documents folder on the clone either. > Compare cluster sizes on the two drives. > Or as someone else pointed out, maybe the > disk imaging program is compressing data. No evidence that there is any imaging going on, looks more like a clone. STILL doesnt explain the missing My Documents folder on the clone either. >>> "BobN" <bob RemoveThis @xspamx.com> wrote in message >>> news:65ea1gum82h8$.idx53v2m0cj0.dlg@40tude.net... >>>> I am running Windows XP Home SP2. >>>> >>>> My C: drive is a WD, EIDE, 20Gb, single partition, FAT 32 >>>> containing some 8 Gb of data. >>>> >>>> The clone drive is as above in an external enclosure connected >>>> through the USB port. >>>> >>>> I usually clone the C: drive about once a month using Retrospect >>>> Express. No errors are reported. By chance, I compared the two >>>> drives and found that the clone drive contains only some 6 Gb of >>>> data. I do not know where the other bytes are. I notice that the >>>> clone drive has no "My Documents" folder or Recycle Bin, neither of >>>> which contains more than a few Mb of data on my C: drive. All the >>>> other folders and files seem to be there, but I am coming up short >>>> 2 Gb. >>>> >>>> Can anyone provide an explanation? >> Stay informed about: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message news:4k02ogF9n454U1@individual.net... > ScottL <scott_invalid.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote > > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote > >> ScottL <scott_invalid.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote > > >>> I'm not familiar with Retrospect Express, but see if it has a > >>> "forensic mode" similar to Ghost's. This will copy all sectors > >>> of a drive, even reserved sectors and hidden partitions. > > >>> I'm thinking your drive has a 2GB hidden > >>> partition (some from Dell, HP etc do). > > >> That doesnt explain the amount of data on the C drive, > >> or the missing My Documents folder on the clone either. > > > True. > > > Maybe it's a slack space issue? > > Unlikely, the discrepancy is too much for that, and it STILL doesnt > explain the missing My Documents folder on the clone either. Isn't the My Documents folder movable? Maybe the guy is assuming it's on C: when it's not. > > Compare cluster sizes on the two drives. > > > Or as someone else pointed out, maybe the > > disk imaging program is compressing data. > > No evidence that there is any imaging going on, looks more like a clone. > > STILL doesnt explain the missing My Documents folder on the clone either. Hey I'm open to other ideas. Have any? > > > >>> "BobN" <bob.TakeThisOut@xspamx.com> wrote in message > >>> news:65ea1gum82h8$.idx53v2m0cj0.dlg@40tude.net... > >>>> I am running Windows XP Home SP2. > >>>> > >>>> My C: drive is a WD, EIDE, 20Gb, single partition, FAT 32 > >>>> containing some 8 Gb of data. > >>>> > >>>> The clone drive is as above in an external enclosure connected > >>>> through the USB port. > >>>> > >>>> I usually clone the C: drive about once a month using Retrospect > >>>> Express. No errors are reported. By chance, I compared the two > >>>> drives and found that the clone drive contains only some 6 Gb of > >>>> data. I do not know where the other bytes are. I notice that the > >>>> clone drive has no "My Documents" folder or Recycle Bin, neither of > >>>> which contains more than a few Mb of data on my C: drive. All the > >>>> other folders and files seem to be there, but I am coming up short > >>>> 2 Gb. > >>>> > >>>> Can anyone provide an explanation? > > >> Stay informed about: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

ScottL <scott_invalid.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote >> ScottL <scott_invalid.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote >>>> ScottL <scott_invalid.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote >>>>> I'm not familiar with Retrospect Express, but see if it has a >>>>> "forensic mode" similar to Ghost's. This will copy all sectors >>>>> of a drive, even reserved sectors and hidden partitions. >>>>> I'm thinking your drive has a 2GB hidden >>>>> partition (some from Dell, HP etc do). >>>> That doesnt explain the amount of data on the C drive, >>>> or the missing My Documents folder on the clone either. >>> True. >>> Maybe it's a slack space issue? >> Unlikely, the discrepancy is too much for that, and it STILL doesnt >> explain the missing My Documents folder on the clone either. > Isn't the My Documents folder movable? Yes. > Maybe the guy is assuming it's on C: when it's not. You dont know that there is more than one partition. >>> Compare cluster sizes on the two drives. >>> Or as someone else pointed out, maybe the >>> disk imaging program is compressing data. >> No evidence that there is any imaging going on, looks more like a clone. >> STILL doesnt explain the missing My Documents folder on the clone either. > Hey I'm open to other ideas. Have any? Since its a backup app, not a simple imager, one obvious possibility is that it wasnt told to include that in the backup. >>>>> "BobN" <bob.DeleteThis@xspamx.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:65ea1gum82h8$.idx53v2m0cj0.dlg@40tude.net... >>>>>> I am running Windows XP Home SP2. >>>>>> >>>>>> My C: drive is a WD, EIDE, 20Gb, single partition, FAT 32 >>>>>> containing some 8 Gb of data. >>>>>> >>>>>> The clone drive is as above in an external enclosure connected >>>>>> through the USB port. >>>>>> >>>>>> I usually clone the C: drive about once a month using Retrospect >>>>>> Express. No errors are reported. By chance, I compared the two >>>>>> drives and found that the clone drive contains only some 6 Gb of >>>>>> data. I do not know where the other bytes are. I notice that >>>>>> the clone drive has no "My Documents" folder or Recycle Bin, >>>>>> neither of which contains more than a few Mb of data on my C: >>>>>> drive. All the other folders and files seem to be there, but I >>>>>> am coming up short 2 Gb. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can anyone provide an explanation? >> Stay informed about: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: Re: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

John Weiss <jrweiss.RemoveThis@nospamattglobal.net> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote >> That doesnt explain the amount of data on the C drive, >> or the missing My Documents folder on the clone either. > Compression could explain the number of bytes. Yes, tho the amount of compression achieved is a bit high. > If the OP has the My Documents folder redirected to another folder (e.g., D:\Documents), > My Documents would only be a link, and no longer a discrete folder. Since its a proper backup program and not an imagers, its more likely it wasnt actually included in what was backed up. >> Stay informed about: Clone Drive Does Not Have All The Bytes

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