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Bradley1

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 5:18 am
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My question is the subject of this message. Is DDR-2 the same thing as
Dual-Channel DDR? If not, what are the differences and which one should I go
with? Thank You.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:22 am
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 02:18:34 GMT, "Bradley" <bnorth1 DeleteThis @kc.rr.com> wrote:
 >My question is the subject of this message. Is DDR-2 the same thing as
 >Dual-Channel DDR? If not, what are the differences and which one should I go
 >with? Thank You.

In a word, no. They are not the same thing and they are definitely
NOT mutually exclusive. Dual-channel DDR means, quite simply, that
there are two memory channels working together. In a more traditional
single-channel setup you install a single memory module and the system
accesses only that module. In a dual-channel setup you need to
install memory modules in pairs and the system spreads memory access
across both channels. This doubles the rate at which your processor
can shuffle data in and out of memory.

Either DDR or DDR-2 (or even the older SDRAM or RDRAM) can operate in
dual-channel systems.

DDR-2 is just the next generation of DRAM interface. It can easily
work in single or dual channel setups (or any number of other setups
used in some high-end servers). It's really only a relatively minor
update to the DDR specification that will allow for higher speeds.
While current DDR memory is having trouble getting beyond 200MHz
(400MT/s, ie the stuff sold as DDR400 or PC3200 memory), DDR-2 should
easily clock up to 333MHz (666MT/s) and possibly beyond.

At this moment, the choice between DDR and DDR-2 is pretty clear. DDR
is here, DDR-2 is not, so go with DDR. In about 2 months time the
first DDR-2 systems will begin to appear, but they will probably
command a price premium in the beginning with little to no performance
advantage (the first batch of DDR-2 memory will probably only run at
the same 200MHz as existing DDR memory, or maybe up to 266MHz at the
high-end). Eventually though (6-8 months?) DDR-2 should reach
price-parity with DDR and offer higher performance.

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Papa Schultz

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:55 am
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No that's totally different.

Dual Channel DDR doesnt' really exist. In fact, it means that the
northbridge chipset can hold a double size bus, so before we have
64bits(single channel) then 128bits(2*64) with a dual channel.

DDR-2 is just the second generation of DDR with an enhanced design to
support higher frequencies. DDR-2 is supposed to be backward compatible with
DDR. DDR-2 start from 3200 MB/s whereas DDR range from 2100MB/s to 3200MB/s.
Therefore you could have PC3200 with DDR or DDR-2. You must check this info
before buying.


"Bradley" <bnorth1 DeleteThis @kc.rr.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
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 > My question is the subject of this message. Is DDR-2 the same thing as
 > Dual-Channel DDR? If not, what are the differences and which one should I
go
 > with? Thank You.
 >
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 7:57 pm
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:55:10 +0100, "Papa Schultz" <papa.RemoveThis@schultz.cc> wrote:


 >
 >"Bradley" <bnorth1.RemoveThis@kc.rr.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
 >_pd_b.32094$fW.10915@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
  >> My question is the subject of this message. Is DDR-2 the same thing as
  >> Dual-Channel DDR? If not, what are the differences and which one should I
 >go
  >> with? Thank You.
  >>
  >>
 >
 >No that's totally different.
 >
 >Dual Channel DDR doesnt' really exist. In fact, it means that the
 >northbridge chipset can hold a double size bus, so before we have
 >64bits(single channel) then 128bits(2*64) with a dual channel.
 >
 >DDR-2 is just the second generation of DDR with an enhanced design to
 >support higher frequencies. DDR-2 is supposed to be backward compatible with
 >DDR. DDR-2 start from 3200 MB/s whereas DDR range from 2100MB/s to 3200MB/s.
 >Therefore you could have PC3200 with DDR or DDR-2. You must check this info
 >before buying.

DDR-2 was not "supposed to be backward compatible with DDR".

And it most assuredly is not...

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Papa Schultz

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:15 pm
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We dont have the same information, I read that was compatible from JETEC!
Where did you read it was not?

 > DDR-2 was not "supposed to be backward compatible with DDR".
 >
 > And it most assuredly is not...
 >
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:02 am
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:15:19 +0100, "Papa Schultz" <papa.TakeThisOut@schultz.cc> wrote:
 >
  >> DDR-2 was not "supposed to be backward compatible with DDR".
  >>
  >> And it most assuredly is not...
  >>
  >> /daytripper

 >We dont have the same information, I read that was compatible from JETEC!
 >Where did you read it was not?

Ok, so this isn't a total waste of time, the short list of differences
includes:

DDR runs on 2.5v, uses SSTL-2.5 signaling, doesn't provide dynamic On-Die
Termination, has a smaller minimum burst length, is limited to single-ended
strobes, has "longer" pages, doesn't support Off Chip Driver calibration.

DDR2 runs on 1.8v, uses SSTL-1.8 signaling, provides dynamic ODT, has a larger
maximum burst length, supports differential strobes, has "shorter" pages,
provides OCD calibration, and has modified MRs and EMRs to support the added
features (those listed above plus a handful of diagnostic bits).

Back to your question. There may have been someone somewhere who honestly
thought he could plug DDR2 dimms into DDR platforms and operate them in
quasi-DDR mode. It begs questions about signal integrity - and certainly PLL
accuracy - at two operating voltages, never mind the economic wisdom in
support of the attempt.

But at the end of the day, surely the bottom line is: "Can you put a DDR2 dimm
into a DDR socket?"

Well, ask "JETEC" how you're going to fit the industry standard 240 pin DDR2
dimm into the industry standard 184 pin DDR socket...

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:45 am
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daytripper <day_trippr DeleteThis @REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:

 >DDR2 runs on 1.8v, uses SSTL-1.8 signaling, provides dynamic ODT,

How does the On-Die Termination work? Does the BIOS tell the chips
that they are or are not the last in the chain, so they can terminate
the bus or not (and is each side of a double-sided DIMM directed
differently, if one of them is at the end of the chain)?

 >has a larger
 >maximum burst length, supports differential strobes, has "shorter" pages,
 >provides OCD calibration, and has modified MRs and EMRs to support the added
 >features (those listed above plus a handful of diagnostic bits).

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:29 am
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DDR-2 also nicely fits in with 64-bit memory growth:
o More memory sockets - requiring much bigger VRM
o Lower voltage than DDR to limit wattage - altho high in 1GB form

BTX will allow airflow along the dimms, avoiding shadowing etc which
is common on present 1U/Desktop solutions. Not seen anything to suggest
above 667Mhz yet, but that's pretty quick. Typical figures are 30W for a
server implementation, and 2m/sec airflow for junction temps.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:52 pm
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"Bradley" <bnorth1.TakeThisOut@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:_pd_b.32094$fW.10915@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
 > My question is the subject of this message. Is DDR-2 the same thing as
 > Dual-Channel DDR? If not, what are the differences and which one should I
go
 > with? Thank You.

DDR-2, which I believe is correctly written with Roman numerals, is to DDR
as DDR was to SDR. That is to say, it is a different beast.

Dual-Channel is a function of the chipset, being able to combine two DDR (I)
DIMMS, similar to how RAID 0 works. It will double the speed of the RAM,
but you need to install it in pairs, so you need 2 DIMMs or 4 DIMMs, 1 or 3
won't work.

DDR-II would be better, but last I recalled (I've been out of this for a
while now), it isn't made yet. I sure hope that's right. In that case, you
should definetly go for the DDR (I). PC2700 or PC3200 is about as good as
it gets now. That corresponds to a so-called 333MHz & 400MHz RAM speed.
It's actually 166 and 200, but marketing made it 333 and 400 (after all it
is DOUBLE data rate....just people look at the double part and not the DATA
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:20 pm
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:52:45 GMT, "Anonymous Joe" <no DeleteThis @spam.plz> wrote:

 >Dual-Channel is a function of the chipset, being able to combine two DDR (I)
 >DIMMS, similar to how RAID 0 works. It will double the speed of the RAM,
 >but you need to install it in pairs, so you need 2 DIMMs or 4 DIMMs, 1 or 3
 >won't work.

This isn't technically dual channel, but with 3 DIMMs, some boards
will apparently enable dual channel for the 2 DIMM in complementary
slots and the 3rd DIMM works in single channel mode.

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