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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:28 am
Post subject: Is a DVD-RW comp. with Win 98?
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A Friend of mine can't view an AVI I burned to DVD disk because his
pc is an older one that only has Windows 98, and the drive is only a
CDROM drive. Not a problem for him to get a DVD-RW drive, but I am
not so sure that Windows 98 is going to support it. I am not sure
which Win 98 it is, it might not even be SE version! If Win 98 itself
doesn't support a DVD drive, can you get some update for Windows, or
does he need to Upgrade the OS to Win 2000 or XP?
I'll bet it doesn't have UDMA data cable either, so it will be jerky
trying to playback an AVI, unless he can first put it on the hard
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:55 pm
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:28:53 -0500, geronimo wrote:
>A Friend of mine can't view an AVI I burned to DVD disk because his
>pc is an older one that only has Windows 98,
Win98 can do that, but depending on what codec you used to
make the AVI, that system may need the appropriate codec
installed.
>and the drive is only a
>CDROM drive.
That's the problem, though you might try putting a smaller
(but otherwise similar) AVI onto a CDR to see if your friend
can play that.
>Not a problem for him to get a DVD-RW drive, but I am
>not so sure that Windows 98 is going to support it.
Yes, Win98 can fully support DVD read functions on a DVD-RW
drive, what would be necessary to view your files. As for
full functionality to WRITE to DVDs, it'll depend on what
the bundled software is, whether that software has Win98
support. If it does not, a 3rd party software that both
supports Win98 and supports (or has updated DVD drive
definition "patches") the particular drive could be
purchased separately.
> I am not sure
>which Win 98 it is, it might not even be SE version! If Win 98 itself
>doesn't support a DVD drive, can you get some update for Windows, or
>does he need to Upgrade the OS to Win 2000 or XP?
To merely read from a DVD drive, it is treated just like a
CDROM drive would be with Win98, that much it should
definitely be able to do. As for playing back "DVD" format
dvds, the player software that comes with the drive, or
often with video cards, or again a 3rd party software that
supports Win98 could be used. Generally this can be taken
as a wait-n-see scenario, as software like PowerDVD can
often be found online for about $5 for version 5.
>
>I'll bet it doesn't have UDMA data cable either,
Yes it does. You may be assuming Win98 is more antiquated
than it is. There is very little Win98 can't do when it
comes to such basic things, and UDMA was used on boards in
the Win95 era.
>so it will be jerky
>trying to playback an AVI, unless he can first put it on the hard
>drive.
Whether the playback is jerky would instead depend on what
codec you used to make the AVI (as it related to amount of
CPU utilization to decompress on-the-fly), the resolution of
the video (again relating to overall decompression burden on
the system). Whether the video card has any level of MPEG
assisted acceleration can matter too. In other words, take
the exact same system typical around when Win98 first came
out (Pentium 400, 8MB video card) and the playback might be
marginal. Take that same exact system and swap a Celeron
800 into it and/or a newer video card and it may improve
playback... but again it depends on what codec and
resolution, and less often mentioned, framerate this video
is. Some high compression high-definition video will make
even a fairly modern system hiccup a few times.
So in general, considering only the issue you adressed, it
is not likely to be a problem. However in Win98, after the
drive is installed it might be necessary to go into Device
Manager and checkmark the "DMA" box for the drive, or
perhaps the checkmark box is in the Properites for the IDE
controller instead of the drive, I don't remember which but
it's definitely one or the other and easy to recognize once
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Is a DVD-RW comp. with Win 98? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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<geronimo> wrote in message
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>A Friend of mine can't view an AVI I burned to DVD disk because his
> pc is an older one that only has Windows 98, and the drive is only a
> CDROM drive. Not a problem for him to get a DVD-RW drive, but I am
> not so sure that Windows 98 is going to support it. I am not sure
> which Win 98 it is, it might not even be SE version! If Win 98 itself
> doesn't support a DVD drive, can you get some update for Windows, or
> does he need to Upgrade the OS to Win 2000 or XP?
>
> I'll bet it doesn't have UDMA data cable either, so it will be jerky
> trying to playback an AVI, unless he can first put it on the hard
> drive.
Just my $.02, but when you start asking can your 'OS' handle DVD reading,
it's time to upgrade. Tell your friend to resist no more and move on up. >> Stay informed about: Is a DVD-RW comp. with Win 98? |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Is a DVD-RW comp. with Win 98? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:39:22 GMT, "Simian Dyson"
<[nospam]jhansman@pacbell.net> wrote:
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><geronimo> wrote in message
>news:nnen32tspf6jo76u8au86o22jlrcb1m9uj@4ax.com...
>>A Friend of mine can't view an AVI I burned to DVD disk because his
>> pc is an older one that only has Windows 98, and the drive is only a
>> CDROM drive. Not a problem for him to get a DVD-RW drive, but I am
>> not so sure that Windows 98 is going to support it. I am not sure
>> which Win 98 it is, it might not even be SE version! If Win 98 itself
>> doesn't support a DVD drive, can you get some update for Windows, or
>> does he need to Upgrade the OS to Win 2000 or XP?
>>
>> I'll bet it doesn't have UDMA data cable either, so it will be jerky
>> trying to playback an AVI, unless he can first put it on the hard
>> drive.
>
>Just my $.02, but when you start asking can your 'OS' handle DVD reading,
>it's time to upgrade. Tell your friend to resist no more and move on up.
>
Except for the minor detail that (WinXP for example) may
have all the same issues with playing back any randomly
selected AVI on a DVD.
I'll all for using the OS needed for the job but there is no
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Is a DVD-RW comp. with Win 98? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"kony" <spam.RemoveThis@spam.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:39:22 GMT, "Simian Dyson"
> <[nospam]jhansman@pacbell.net> wrote:
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>><geronimo> wrote in message
>>news:nnen32tspf6jo76u8au86o22jlrcb1m9uj@4ax.com...
>>>A Friend of mine can't view an AVI I burned to DVD disk because his
>>> pc is an older one that only has Windows 98, and the drive is only a
>>> CDROM drive. Not a problem for him to get a DVD-RW drive, but I am
>>> not so sure that Windows 98 is going to support it. I am not sure
>>> which Win 98 it is, it might not even be SE version! If Win 98 itself
>>> doesn't support a DVD drive, can you get some update for Windows, or
>>> does he need to Upgrade the OS to Win 2000 or XP?
>>>
>>> I'll bet it doesn't have UDMA data cable either, so it will be jerky
>>> trying to playback an AVI, unless he can first put it on the hard
>>> drive.
>>
>>Just my $.02, but when you start asking can your 'OS' handle DVD reading,
>>it's time to upgrade. Tell your friend to resist no more and move on up.
>>
>
>
> Except for the minor detail that (WinXP for example) may
> have all the same issues with playing back any randomly
> selected AVI on a DVD.
>
> I'll all for using the OS needed for the job but there is no
> need for more than 98 in this case.
What you get from XP is *much* better hardware compatibilty and stability.
While this won't guarentee that your random AVIs will play, you are at least
using a 21st century OS that is not just a GUI sitting on top of DOS. Using
any variant of 98 is like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer at
least once a day. >> Stay informed about: Is a DVD-RW comp. with Win 98? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Is a DVD-RW comp. with Win 98? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:39:22 GMT, "Simian Dyson"
<[nospam]jhansman@pacbell.net> wrote:
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><geronimo> wrote in message
>news:nnen32tspf6jo76u8au86o22jlrcb1m9uj@4ax.com...
>>A Friend of mine can't view an AVI I burned to DVD disk because his
>> pc is an older one that only has Windows 98, and the drive is only a
>> CDROM drive. Not a problem for him to get a DVD-RW drive, but I am
>> not so sure that Windows 98 is going to support it. I am not sure
>> which Win 98 it is, it might not even be SE version! If Win 98 itself
>> doesn't support a DVD drive, can you get some update for Windows, or
>> does he need to Upgrade the OS to Win 2000 or XP?
>>
>> I'll bet it doesn't have UDMA data cable either, so it will be jerky
>> trying to playback an AVI, unless he can first put it on the hard
>> drive.
>
>Just my $.02, but when you start asking can your 'OS' handle DVD reading,
>it's time to upgrade. Tell your friend to resist no more and move on up.
>
In this case, it's not "his" OS or even "his" machine. He doesn't
really seem to know anything about it, except that it doesn't have a
DVD drive. Really, even if you're using win98 (first edition), you
should be able to do anything you can do with XP, with a few
exceptions (this isn't one of them). Just because your friend doesn't
know every intimate detail about your personal machine isn't a good
reason to upgrade.
---------------------------------------------
Thanks.
MCheu >> Stay informed about: Is a DVD-RW comp. with Win 98? |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Is a DVD-RW comp. with Win 98? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Simian Dyson wrote:
> <geronimo> wrote in message
> news:nnen32tspf6jo76u8au86o22jlrcb1m9uj@4ax.com...
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>>A Friend of mine can't view an AVI I burned to DVD disk because his
>>pc is an older one that only has Windows 98, and the drive is only a
>>CDROM drive. Not a problem for him to get a DVD-RW drive, but I am
>>not so sure that Windows 98 is going to support it. I am not sure
>>which Win 98 it is, it might not even be SE version! If Win 98 itself
>>doesn't support a DVD drive, can you get some update for Windows, or
>>does he need to Upgrade the OS to Win 2000 or XP?
>>
>>I'll bet it doesn't have UDMA data cable either, so it will be jerky
>>trying to playback an AVI, unless he can first put it on the hard
>>drive.
>
>
> Just my $.02, but when you start asking can your 'OS' handle DVD reading,
> it's time to upgrade.
I don't follow your logic that a lack of knowledge can be solved by upgrading.
Win98 is perfectly capable of playing DVDs, if you have a DVD drive. Did
back when and still can.
> Tell your friend to resist no more and move on up.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:55 am
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 01:07:03 GMT, "Simian Dyson"
<[nospam]jhansman@pacbell.net> wrote:
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>"kony" <spam.TakeThisOut@spam.com> wrote in message
>news:dj5o32pen1npoltia34ujelclberlaq978@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:39:22 GMT, "Simian Dyson"
>> <[nospam]jhansman@pacbell.net> wrote:
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>>>
>>><geronimo> wrote in message
>>>news:nnen32tspf6jo76u8au86o22jlrcb1m9uj@4ax.com...
>>>>A Friend of mine can't view an AVI I burned to DVD disk because his
>>>> pc is an older one that only has Windows 98, and the drive is only a
>>>> CDROM drive. Not a problem for him to get a DVD-RW drive, but I am
>>>> not so sure that Windows 98 is going to support it. I am not sure
>>>> which Win 98 it is, it might not even be SE version! If Win 98 itself
>>>> doesn't support a DVD drive, can you get some update for Windows, or
>>>> does he need to Upgrade the OS to Win 2000 or XP?
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet it doesn't have UDMA data cable either, so it will be jerky
>>>> trying to playback an AVI, unless he can first put it on the hard
>>>> drive.
>>>
>>>Just my $.02, but when you start asking can your 'OS' handle DVD reading,
>>>it's time to upgrade. Tell your friend to resist no more and move on up.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Except for the minor detail that (WinXP for example) may
>> have all the same issues with playing back any randomly
>> selected AVI on a DVD.
>>
>> I'll all for using the OS needed for the job but there is no
>> need for more than 98 in this case.
>
>What you get from XP is *much* better hardware compatibilty and stability.
Thanks for the XP tutorial.
It's non-applicable though, if either of these were
obviously necessary, the thread would be about a specific
compatibility problem or stability issue. A racing bike
has much better braking and acceleration than a SUV, so we
should all drive them?
>While this won't guarentee that your random AVIs will play, you are at least
>using a 21st century OS that is not just a GUI sitting on top of DOS.
Yawn.
If the owner of the system finds a need to switch, so be it.
We can presume that since the owner was still running Win98,
they didn't have that need. It's really quite irrelevant
which OS you like more.
>Using
>any variant of 98 is like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer at
>least once a day.
You are a fool.
Win98 can run fine within it's limits. Random suggestions
to upgrade the OS without specific cause is just senseless.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:55 pm
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:24:34 GMT, kony <spam.RemoveThis@spam.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:28:53 -0500, geronimo wrote:
>
>>A Friend of mine can't view an AVI I burned to DVD disk because his
>>pc is an older one that only has Windows 98,
>
>Win98 can do that, but depending on what codec you used to
>make the AVI, that system may need the appropriate codec
>installed.
>
>
>>and the drive is only a
>>CDROM drive.
>
>That's the problem, though you might try putting a smaller
>(but otherwise similar) AVI onto a CDR to see if your friend
>can play that.
>
>
>>Not a problem for him to get a DVD-RW drive, but I am
>>not so sure that Windows 98 is going to support it.
>
>Yes, Win98 can fully support DVD read functions on a DVD-RW
>drive, what would be necessary to view your files. As for
>full functionality to WRITE to DVDs, it'll depend on what
>the bundled software is, whether that software has Win98
>support. If it does not, a 3rd party software that both
>supports Win98 and supports (or has updated DVD drive
>definition "patches") the particular drive could be
>purchased separately.
>
>
>> I am not sure
>>which Win 98 it is, it might not even be SE version! If Win 98 itself
>>doesn't support a DVD drive, can you get some update for Windows, or
>>does he need to Upgrade the OS to Win 2000 or XP?
>
>To merely read from a DVD drive, it is treated just like a
>CDROM drive would be with Win98, that much it should
>definitely be able to do. As for playing back "DVD" format
>dvds, the player software that comes with the drive, or
>often with video cards, or again a 3rd party software that
>supports Win98 could be used. Generally this can be taken
>as a wait-n-see scenario, as software like PowerDVD can
>often be found online for about $5 for version 5.
>
>
>>
>>I'll bet it doesn't have UDMA data cable either,
>
>Yes it does. You may be assuming Win98 is more antiquated
>than it is. There is very little Win98 can't do when it
>comes to such basic things, and UDMA was used on boards in
>the Win95 era.
>
>>so it will be jerky
>>trying to playback an AVI, unless he can first put it on the hard
>>drive.
>
>Whether the playback is jerky would instead depend on what
>codec you used to make the AVI (as it related to amount of
>CPU utilization to decompress on-the-fly), the resolution of
>the video (again relating to overall decompression burden on
>the system). Whether the video card has any level of MPEG
>assisted acceleration can matter too. In other words, take
>the exact same system typical around when Win98 first came
>out (Pentium 400, 8MB video card) and the playback might be
>marginal. Take that same exact system and swap a Celeron
>800 into it and/or a newer video card and it may improve
>playback... but again it depends on what codec and
>resolution, and less often mentioned, framerate this video
>is. Some high compression high-definition video will make
>even a fairly modern system hiccup a few times.
>
>So in general, considering only the issue you adressed, it
>is not likely to be a problem. However in Win98, after the
>drive is installed it might be necessary to go into Device
>Manager and checkmark the "DMA" box for the drive, or
>perhaps the checkmark box is in the Properites for the IDE
>controller instead of the drive, I don't remember which but
>it's definitely one or the other and easy to recognize once
>it's seen.
Hey thanks! Answered my questions and then some.
Well, I had three videos I wanted to share with him, two were .MPG
(MPEG-1 format) and one was the .AVI that, although a short video, was
over one gig in size. So I loaded the video into Vegas Video, and
re-rendered it as an MPEG. This brought the size down to 50 meg. So
all will now easily fit on a CDROM disk. I am pretty sure he will only
have an older Windows Media Player, and I don't know how far back WMP
had support for MPEG-1, so I included Winamp Player on the disk, if he
can't figure out how to update WMP from the Microsoft site. Thanks
again. >> Stay informed about: Is a DVD-RW comp. with Win 98? |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:09 pm
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I know little about his system, have never been to his place and seen
it. About ALL I know is that he says it has Windows 98. He knows so
little about his machine that he probably wouldn't know what I was
talking about if I asked him if it was the SE version or not. He
doesn't have a clue what processor it has or how much memory. This guy
for crying out loud won 300K in a lottery a few years ago!! But he is
too cheap to upgrade his entire system, I guess. He asked me if I
would buy him the nice NEC DVD-RW I got from Newegg.com, and he
would pay me back. Now I don't think so. Since I got all the video
clips on a CDROM for him now, I think I will just tell him it is
silly to upgrade piecemeal like this, when it is time for a whole new
system!
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:44:21 -0500, David Maynard <nospam.DeleteThis@private.net>
wrote:
>Simian Dyson wrote:
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>> <geronimo> wrote in message
>> news:nnen32tspf6jo76u8au86o22jlrcb1m9uj@4ax.com...
>>
>>>A Friend of mine can't view an AVI I burned to DVD disk because his
>>>pc is an older one that only has Windows 98, and the drive is only a
>>>CDROM drive. Not a problem for him to get a DVD-RW drive, but I am
>>>not so sure that Windows 98 is going to support it. I am not sure
>>>which Win 98 it is, it might not even be SE version! If Win 98 itself
>>>doesn't support a DVD drive, can you get some update for Windows, or
>>>does he need to Upgrade the OS to Win 2000 or XP?
>>>
>>>I'll bet it doesn't have UDMA data cable either, so it will be jerky
>>>trying to playback an AVI, unless he can first put it on the hard
>>>drive.
>>
>>
>> Just my $.02, but when you start asking can your 'OS' handle DVD reading,
>> it's time to upgrade.
>
>I don't follow your logic that a lack of knowledge can be solved by upgrading.
>
>Win98 is perfectly capable of playing DVDs, if you have a DVD drive. Did
>back when and still can.
>
>> Tell your friend to resist no more and move on up.
>
>Even XP won't make a CDROM drive read DVDs. >> Stay informed about: Is a DVD-RW comp. with Win 98? |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:55 pm
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:55:32 -0500, geronimo wrote:
>Hey thanks! Answered my questions and then some.
>Well, I had three videos I wanted to share with him, two were .MPG
>(MPEG-1 format) and one was the .AVI that, although a short video, was
>over one gig in size.
Sounds like the AVI wasn't compressed at all, it is likely
stuttering would come mostly from the optical drive
(possibly) not being able to maintain a high enough
read-rate off the disc.
I don't know what the target system is like, the one running
Win98 but it's often better to use MPEG2 (though needs
special player support such as an installed codec or a DVD
player software) or MPEG4, as it'll allow higher quality at
same filesize or smaller files for same quality.
>So I loaded the video into Vegas Video, and
>re-rendered it as an MPEG. This brought the size down to 50 meg. So
>all will now easily fit on a CDROM disk. I am pretty sure he will only
>have an older Windows Media Player, and I don't know how far back WMP
>had support for MPEG-1, so I included Winamp Player on the disk, if he
>can't figure out how to update WMP from the Microsoft site. Thanks
>again.
Win98 is not limited. It's just an operating system. There
is nothing WinXP could play that Win98 can't. However, in
some cases like newer WMP codecs, those may be downloaded
and installed or an alternate player included as you have
done. However, even when including an alternate player, the
player may (in some cases) play the file on one system but
not on the other because the other system didn't have the
needed codec installed to. MPEG1 is supported by the Win98
Media Player (is version 6.0, if I recall correctly but many
people had upgraded theirs to version 6.4 at some point,
perhaps it was part of the Internet Explorer 5 or 6 full
installation package, I don't recall for certain but the 6.4
player was also (probably still is) available as a separate
download).
Another option would be to just put a Divx installer on the
CD and encode to Divx. That'll be a better way to keep
filesizes small for CD distribution, though I don't know if
Vegas Video can encode to it. In the end, if MPEG1 produces
acceptible results then you may as well keep using it, but
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:55 pm
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 01:07:03 GMT, "Simian Dyson"
<[nospam]jhansman@pacbell.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:
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>"kony" <spam DeleteThis @spam.com> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:39:22 GMT, "Simian Dyson"
>> <[nospam]jhansman@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><geronimo> wrote in message
>>>news:nnen32tspf6jo76u8au86o22jlrcb1m9uj@4ax.com...
>>>>A Friend of mine can't view an AVI I burned to DVD disk because his
>>>> pc is an older one that only has Windows 98, and the drive is only a
>>>> CDROM drive. Not a problem for him to get a DVD-RW drive, but I am
>>>> not so sure that Windows 98 is going to support it. I am not sure
>>>> which Win 98 it is, it might not even be SE version! If Win 98 itself
>>>> doesn't support a DVD drive, can you get some update for Windows, or
>>>> does he need to Upgrade the OS to Win 2000 or XP?
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet it doesn't have UDMA data cable either, so it will be jerky
>>>> trying to playback an AVI, unless he can first put it on the hard
>>>> drive.
>>>
>>>Just my $.02, but when you start asking can your 'OS' handle DVD reading,
>>>it's time to upgrade. Tell your friend to resist no more and move on up.
>>>
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>>
>> Except for the minor detail that (WinXP for example) may
>> have all the same issues with playing back any randomly
>> selected AVI on a DVD.
>>
>> I'll all for using the OS needed for the job but there is no
>> need for more than 98 in this case.
>
>What you get from XP is *much* better hardware compatibilty and stability.
>While this won't guarentee that your random AVIs will play, you are at least
>using a 21st century OS that is not just a GUI sitting on top of DOS. Using
>any variant of 98 is like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer at
>least once a day.
I use Win98SE on my AMD 2500+ system. It has everything I need,
including DVD support. I often use a DOS window to perform tasks that
I couldn't do with the GUI. If you're just a pointer-and-clicker, then
by all means go with XP. Otherwise, if you need the CLI, then stick
with Win9x or switch to Linux.
- Franc Zabkar
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Is a DVD-RW comp. with Win 98? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In <nnen32tspf6jo76u8au86o22jlrcb1m9uj RemoveThis @4ax.com>, geronimo writes:
>A Friend of mine can't view an AVI I burned to DVD disk because his
>pc is an older one that only has Windows 98, and the drive is only a
>CDROM drive. Not a problem for him to get a DVD-RW drive, but I am
>not so sure that Windows 98 is going to support it. I am not sure
>which Win 98 it is, it might not even be SE version! If Win 98 itself
>doesn't support a DVD drive, can you get some update for Windows, or
>does he need to Upgrade the OS to Win 2000 or XP?
>
>I'll bet it doesn't have UDMA data cable either, so it will be jerky
>trying to playback an AVI, unless he can first put it on the hard
>drive.
Number one, a CD drive cannot read a DVD disk -- period: the space
between tracks is too narrow for the drive to follow (CD is typically
1.2uM btween tracks, DVD is 0.85uM) because the laser winds up seeing
adjacent tracks, causing the focusing/positioning electronics to get confused.
Windows 98 has no problem reading or recording DVD media (My system
does it with a 500Mhz P3 running Nero 6.6 on Windows 98SE) It does however
tie up the entire CPU to do it though.
To play back DVD movies I have to use an *old* (1999) version of PowerDVD.
The *frills* in the newer versions cause jerkyness.
Window 98 without Nero, treats the DVD drive as a large CDRom drive
(although it calls it a DVD drive, it uses a CDRom driver).
The AVI file is probably not compressed which will make it jerky
if the CD Drive cannot keep up with the 12x+(Reference: CDRom speed)
data rate. MPEG-1 has been around since before '93: the primitive media player
in Windows 3.1 could handle it (admitedly poorly, but it understood the format).
If you burn him a CD, use a virgin one -- not an 'erased CDRW' because
the laser in your DVD drive focuses much finer and microscopic tracking
differences between the sessions will be enough to cause confusion for
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Is a DVD-RW comp. with Win 98? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:35:48 +0000 (UTC), jims.DeleteThis@vcn.bc.ca
wrote:
>In <nnen32tspf6jo76u8au86o22jlrcb1m9uj.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, geronimo writes:
>>A Friend of mine can't view an AVI I burned to DVD disk because his
>>pc is an older one that only has Windows 98, and the drive is only a
>>CDROM drive. Not a problem for him to get a DVD-RW drive, but I am
>>not so sure that Windows 98 is going to support it. I am not sure
>>which Win 98 it is, it might not even be SE version! If Win 98 itself
>>doesn't support a DVD drive, can you get some update for Windows, or
>>does he need to Upgrade the OS to Win 2000 or XP?
>>
>>I'll bet it doesn't have UDMA data cable either, so it will be jerky
>>trying to playback an AVI, unless he can first put it on the hard
>>drive.
There is no reason to believe a Win98 era PC doesn't have an
UDMA capable CDROM drive. The same 40 conductor ATA cable
necessary to use it at all, does ATA33/UDMA. ALL chipsets
modern in the Win98 era also supported UDMA, so the
remaining issue would only be whether the Device Manager
entry for it were checkmarked- same as with a HDD.
>
> Number one, a CD drive cannot read a DVD disk -- period: the space
>between tracks is too narrow for the drive to follow (CD is typically
>1.2uM btween tracks, DVD is 0.85uM) because the laser winds up seeing
>adjacent tracks, causing the focusing/positioning electronics to get confused.
>
> Windows 98 has no problem reading or recording DVD media (My system
>does it with a 500Mhz P3 running Nero 6.6 on Windows 98SE) It does however
>tie up the entire CPU to do it though.
If the system has a video card that provides MPEG decoding
assistance, even a 500MHz Celeron can easily play back a
commercial DVD, (MPEG2) video.
>
> To play back DVD movies I have to use an *old* (1999) version of PowerDVD.
>The *frills* in the newer versions cause jerkyness.
That may be true but some of them you might be able to
disable... and/or the aforementioned video card may help
enough to keep some features enabled.
> Window 98 without Nero, treats the DVD drive as a large CDRom drive
>(although it calls it a DVD drive, it uses a CDRom driver).
>
> The AVI file is probably not compressed
Untrue, practically all AVI distributed, are compressed.
Uncompressed AVI is typically only used to capture and/or
edit before the final output stage.
>which will make it jerky
>if the CD Drive cannot keep up with the 12x+(Reference: CDRom speed)
>data rate. MPEG-1 has been around since before '93: the primitive media player
>in Windows 3.1 could handle it (admitedly poorly, but it understood the format).
I'm a bit confused as to why you'd mention MPEG-1. Win98
with WMP 6.4 or an alternative media player (plus the
necessary codecs, as required) can play anything WinXP can.
In some cases there may be a lot of work needed to get some
of the codecs as in later Windows Media packs and they're
evermore a strain on the CPU as would be MPEG4 at full
resolution, but there should be little need or desire to use
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:56 am
Post subject: Re: Is a DVD-RW comp. with Win 98? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In <ljefd2pqd8tplkher32cs3qrcjtq6c9pig DeleteThis @4ax.com>, kony <spam DeleteThis @spam.com> writes:
>On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:35:48 +0000 (UTC), jims DeleteThis @vcn.bc.ca
>wrote:
>
>>In <nnen32tspf6jo76u8au86o22jlrcb1m9uj DeleteThis @4ax.com>, geronimo writes:
>>>A Friend of mine can't view an AVI I burned to DVD disk because his
>>>pc is an older one that only has Windows 98, and the drive is only a
>>>CDROM drive. Not a problem for him to get a DVD-RW drive, but I am
>>>not so sure that Windows 98 is going to support it. I am not sure
>>>which Win 98 it is, it might not even be SE version! If Win 98 itself
>>>doesn't support a DVD drive, can you get some update for Windows, or
>>>does he need to Upgrade the OS to Win 2000 or XP?
>>>
>>>I'll bet it doesn't have UDMA data cable either, so it will be jerky
>>>trying to playback an AVI, unless he can first put it on the hard
>>>drive.
>
>
>There is no reason to believe a Win98 era PC doesn't have an
>UDMA capable CDROM drive. The same 40 conductor ATA cable
>necessary to use it at all, does ATA33/UDMA. ALL chipsets
>modern in the Win98 era also supported UDMA, so the
>remaining issue would only be whether the Device Manager
>entry for it were checkmarked- same as with a HDD.
>
>> Number one, a CD drive cannot read a DVD disk -- period: the space
>>between tracks is too narrow for the drive to follow (CD is typically
>>1.2uM btween tracks, DVD is 0.85uM) because the laser winds up seeing
>>adjacent tracks, causing the focusing/positioning electronics to get confused.
>>
>> Windows 98 has no problem reading or recording DVD media (My system
>>does it with a 500Mhz P3 running Nero 6.6 on Windows 98SE) It does however
>>tie up the entire CPU to do it though.
>
>If the system has a video card that provides MPEG decoding
>assistance, even a 500MHz Celeron can easily play back a
>commercial DVD, (MPEG2) video.
>
The point is that the *cdrom* drive on the original poster's friend's machine is
physically not able to read a *dvd* disc: A cdrom drive's mechanics do not
focus narrow enough.
>>
>> To play back DVD movies I have to use an *old* (1999) version of PowerDVD.
>>The *frills* in the newer versions cause jerkyness.
>
>That may be true but some of them you might be able to disable... and/or the
>aforementioned video card may help enough to keep some features enabled.
>
I was pointing out that Win98 *is* able, albiet with difficulty, to play a DVD if
provided with a DVD-capable drive.
>> Window 98 without Nero, treats the DVD drive as a large CDRom drive
>>(although it calls it a DVD drive, it uses a CDRom driver).
>>
>> The AVI file is probably not compressed
>
>Untrue, practically all AVI distributed, are compressed.
>Uncompressed AVI is typically only used to capture and/or
>edit before the final output stage.
>
This particular AVI file *was* probably a raw capture file because another
article in this thread that mentioned a *drastic* (100s of megabytes down
to a couple hundred) reduction in filesize when this AVI file was translated
into MPEG1.
>>MPEG-1 has been around since before '93: the primitive media player
>>in Windows 3.1 could handle it (admitedly poorly, but it understood the format).
>
>I'm a bit confused as to why you'd mention MPEG-1.
MPEG-1 was the format used by the other two files the original poster put
on that DVD disc. (From other postings in this thread)
>Win98 with WMP 6.4 or an alternative media player (plus the
>necessary codecs, as required) can play anything WinXP can.
>In some cases there may be a lot of work needed to get some
>of the codecs as in later Windows Media packs and they're
>evermore a strain on the CPU as would be MPEG4 at full
>resolution, but there should be little need or desire to use
>MPEG1 today.
MPEG-1 can be encoded in software on-the-fly by an older 500MHz
computer, MPEG-2 or above needs more computing horsepower to encode.
(Hauppage's *hardware* encoder used on their WinTV 250 has problems
keeping up with the input video data even on an 800MHz system). My 500MHz
system captures video into MPEG-1 files. Transcoding just *30 minutes*
of this video from MPEG-1 into MPEG-2 DVD format with Nero, is a 20 Hour
operation!
Also, like it or not, MPEG-1 is the *standard* for recordings on Video-CDs. >> Stay informed about: Is a DVD-RW comp. with Win 98? |
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