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Folkert Rienstra

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:03 am
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"Arno Wagner" <me RemoveThis @privacy.net> wrote in message news:34em4rF49tjl7U3@individual.net
 > Previously CJT <abujlehc RemoveThis @prodigy.net> wrote:
  > > Irwin wrote:
   > > > Actually, I take the warning to back up seriously. I was working on my
   > > > d: drive, so I backed up my d: drive before I did anything. I tried to
   > > > do the right thing. I never expected it to screw up my c: drive. I
   > > > worked on the d: drive, which ended up fine, but it screwed up my c:
   > > > drive. So what is the message? That it doesn't matter which partition
   > > > you are working on, it can screw up your primary partition? That is not
   > > > good.
   > > >
   > > > New message: Before using Partition Magic to work on ANY partition,
   > > > you must back up your OS partition also, not just the partition you are
   > > > working on.
   > > >
   > > > IMF
   > > >
 >
  > > The message I took some time ago (the hard way) is not to use Partition
  > > Magic.
 >
 > I have recenlty made good experiences with GNU parted.

 > It does not have
 > the PM "collect every operation into a complicated plan and then fail
 > to execute it somewhere in the middle" approach.

Oh? How would you know? Are you the author?

 > It is a bit basic
 > in the interface thoiugh and there is no undo or safety questions.
 >
 > I guess the warning about backing up goes for parted too.
 >

 > But it works

So does PM, most(or is that some) of the time.

 > and it is free, so unlike PM you get actually good value for your cash.

I consider that still bad value if it messes up my drive.
In which case I would hope it had never existed so I
wouldn't have been tempted to use it in the first place.

 >
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Arno Wagner

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:10 pm
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Previously Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to.RemoveThis@myweb.nl> wrote:
 > "Arno Wagner" <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in message news:34em4rF49tjl7U3@individual.net
  >> Previously CJT <abujlehc.RemoveThis@prodigy.net> wrote:
   >> > Irwin wrote:
   >> > > Actually, I take the warning to back up seriously. I was working on my
   >> > > d: drive, so I backed up my d: drive before I did anything. I tried to
   >> > > do the right thing. I never expected it to screw up my c: drive. I
   >> > > worked on the d: drive, which ended up fine, but it screwed up my c:
   >> > > drive. So what is the message? That it doesn't matter which partition
   >> > > you are working on, it can screw up your primary partition? That is not
   >> > > good.
   >> > >
   >> > > New message: Before using Partition Magic to work on ANY partition,
   >> > > you must back up your OS partition also, not just the partition you are
   >> > > working on.
   >> > >
   >> > > IMF
   >> > >
  >>
   >> > The message I took some time ago (the hard way) is not to use Partition
   >> > Magic.
  >>
  >> I have recenlty made good experiences with GNU parted.

  >> It does not have
  >> the PM "collect every operation into a complicated plan and then fail
  >> to execute it somewhere in the middle" approach.

 > Oh? How would you know? Are you the author?

  >> It is a bit basic
  >> in the interface thoiugh and there is no undo or safety questions.
  >>
  >> I guess the warning about backing up goes for parted too.
  >>

  >> But it works

 > So does PM, most(or is that some) of the time.

  >> and it is free, so unlike PM you get actually good value for your cash.

 > I consider that still bad value if it messes up my drive.
 > In which case I would hope it had never existed so I
 > wouldn't have been tempted to use it in the first place.

  >>
  >> Arno

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:17 pm
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Previously J. Clarke <jclarke.RemoveThis@nospam.invalid> wrote:
 > Arno Wagner wrote:

[...]

 > How large is the partition table? I was under the impression that it was
 > less than a single sector, so there's no way to rewrite only part of it.

It is a bit obscure: There is room for 4 partitions in the partition
table space the boot/root sector od the disk. You can put primary or
extended partition entries in each. If it is an extended partition
entry, the the entry is actually a pointer to another sector, namely
the root (first) sector of the extended partition. That sector has in
turn a pointer to the root sector of the first partition in the
extended partition in its first (second?) entry. The other s are
unused.

For the partitions within the extended partition, there is one entry
in the root (first) sector of that partition and one entry that points
to the root sector of the next partition in the extended partition and
so on. The other two entries in these linked sectors are empty.

In a sense this whole obscure construct forms the "partition table".
I once traced this with a disk editor. That was a long time
ago, but I think it is still done this way.

Arno
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