Dell delays shipment of P4EE

"Yousuf Khan" <removethisspam.bjsk90.removethispam.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in
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 > Well-well, looks as if Dell won't be able to ship the P4EE systems on
time.
 > Now as some people around here have suggested, since Dell is so concerned
 > about the satisfaction of its customer-base and will not offer any product
 > that cannot be shipped on time, if this means will Dell will simply never
 > offer this product?

This is a typical misquote in this group as an attempt to snipe at someone
because you can't actually formulate any other kind of argument.

What was said is that Dell won't use a supplier that they cannot be sure
will be capable of supplying their needs. These are two different issues:

1) The P4EE is not an established model, so there isn't an established
market yet.
2) Intel will continue to supply sufficent numbers of other models to
support Dell's business.

BTW - anyone notice that in server sales Dell did better last quarter than
everyone but IBM in terms of growth? If, as some people around here have
suggested, their products and services stink, and they have only gotten
where they are because of dumb, blind luck - how could it be that they
outpaced HP and Sun?

Could it be that in reality, HP and Sun stink more?

Oh Yousef! Say it ain't so!

Regards,
Dean

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Dean Kent wrote:

 > "Yousuf Khan" <removethisspam.bjsk90.removethispam.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in
 > message
 > news:2h3qb.188562$3f.63231@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
 >
  >>Well-well, looks as if Dell won't be able to ship the P4EE systems on
 >
 > time.
 >
  >>Now as some people around here have suggested, since Dell is so concerned
  >>about the satisfaction of its customer-base and will not offer any product
  >>that cannot be shipped on time, if this means will Dell will simply never
  >>offer this product?
 >
 >
 > This is a typical misquote in this group as an attempt to snipe at someone
 > because you can't actually formulate any other kind of argument.
 >
 > What was said is that Dell won't use a supplier that they cannot be sure
 > will be capable of supplying their needs. These are two different issues:
 >
 > 1) The P4EE is not an established model, so there isn't an established
 > market yet.
 > 2) Intel will continue to supply sufficent numbers of other models to
 > support Dell's business.
 >
 > BTW - anyone notice that in server sales Dell did better last quarter than
 > everyone but IBM in terms of growth? If, as some people around here have
 > suggested, their products and services stink, and they have only gotten
 > where they are because of dumb, blind luck - how could it be that they
 > outpaced HP and Sun?
 >
 > Could it be that in reality, HP and Sun stink more?
 >

Dell knows how to market their products - you have made that
point over and over again and nobody has disputed that. The
only thing anyone has really disputed is the quality of Dell
products and Dell services, especially the quality of Dell
services for home computer owners.

Marketing success is certainly easier to achieve if your
products and services are better than the competition's,
but it is by no means contingent on it. Its like the
old Windows vs OS/2 debate: few people dispute that Windows
beat OS/2 solely because MicroSoft knew how to market their
vastly inferior product.





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Ah, so you exist, you haven't killfiled me yet.

"Dean Kent" <dkent DeleteThis @realworldtech.com> wrote in message
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 > What was said is that Dell won't use a supplier that they cannot be sure
 > will be capable of supplying their needs. These are two different
issues:
 >
 > 1) The P4EE is not an established model, so there isn't an established
 > market yet.
 > 2) Intel will continue to supply sufficent numbers of other models to
 > support Dell's business.

Well obviously the supplier that they are sure is capable of supplying all
of their needs, isn't capable of supplying their needs in this case. This
same supplier had a similar problem a couple of years ago with supplying
their original batch of 1.0Ghz processors too. At that time Dell was left
behind watching competitors making actual honest-to-god sales of their
systems with chips from the competing supplier, while Dell was continuously
promising and then delaying shipments of its own systems. I wonder what the
Dell customer surveys showed during that time? It apparently doesn't seem to
prevent Dell from announcing that they have these chips available, even
though they don't.

 > BTW - anyone notice that in server sales Dell did better last quarter than
 > everyone but IBM in terms of growth? If, as some people around here have
 > suggested, their products and services stink, and they have only gotten
 > where they are because of dumb, blind luck - how could it be that they
 > outpaced HP and Sun?
 >
 > Could it be that in reality, HP and Sun stink more?
 >
 > Oh Yousef! Say it ain't so!

Despite the transparent attempt to change the subject, I will answer this.
Aren't all of those server makers also sellers of Intel Xeon systems? And
don't all of them, except Dell, design their own X86 servers? So apart from
IBM, it looks like all of the *independent* X86 server manufacturers lost
some ground. I believe that is the real point we were trying to make to you,
about the secret to Dell's success: whereas everybody else pays money to do
their own research and development, Dell gets Intel to do its R&D. So you
might ask, why don't all of the rest also simply buy their boxes directly
from Intel? Because it doesn't look like this Intel service is available to
anybody but Dell.

I mean what is the bulk of Dell's engineering effort? Badge and case
engineering?

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Having skipped an E.L.F. meeting to be here, chrisv <chrisv.DeleteThis@nospam.invalid>
scribbled:

 >$925 for a CPU... Amazing. Who would buy this thing? By the time
 >software comes out that will really benefit, you'll be able to get a
 >3.6GHz Prescott for $200.

What software change is needed to utilize a larger cache??





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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 20:18:41 GMT, Never anonymous Bud
<thekat.RemoveThis@san.rxyzr.com> wrote:

 >Having skipped an E.L.F. meeting to be here, chrisv <chrisv.RemoveThis@nospam.invalid>
 >scribbled:
 >
  >>$925 for a CPU... Amazing. Who would buy this thing? By the time
  >>software comes out that will really benefit, you'll be able to get a
  >>3.6GHz Prescott for $200.
 >
 >What software change is needed to utilize a larger cache??

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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:46:43 -0600, chrisv <chrisv.RemoveThis@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
 >On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 20:18:41 GMT, Never anonymous Bud
 ><thekat.RemoveThis@san.rxyzr.com> wrote:
 >
  >>Having skipped an E.L.F. meeting to be here, chrisv <chrisv.RemoveThis@nospam.invalid>
  >>scribbled:
  >>
   >>>$925 for a CPU... Amazing. Who would buy this thing? By the time
   >>>software comes out that will really benefit, you'll be able to get a
   >>>3.6GHz Prescott for $200.
  >>
  >>What software change is needed to utilize a larger cache??
 >
 >No silly questions, thank you.

Remember Chris, there are no silly questions, only silly people.

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Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20 DeleteThis @yahoo.ca> wrote:
: On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:46:43 -0600, chrisv <chrisv DeleteThis @nospam.invalid>
: wrote:
:: On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 20:18:41 GMT, Never anonymous Bud
:: <thekat DeleteThis @san.rxyzr.com> wrote:
::
::: Having skipped an E.L.F. meeting to be here, chrisv
::: <chrisv DeleteThis @nospam.invalid> scribbled:
:::
:::: $925 for a CPU... Amazing. Who would buy this thing? By the time
:::: software comes out that will really benefit, you'll be able to get
:::: a
:::: 3.6GHz Prescott for $200.
:::
::: What software change is needed to utilize a larger cache??
::
:: No silly questions, thank you.
:
: Remember Chris, there are no silly questions, only silly people.

Tim Sullivan <==> silly people <==> John Corse

Er sorry, couldn't resist.

J.
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