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Since: Mar 10, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:41 pm
Post subject: Double your disk space??
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Nobody here seems to have picked this up. I know it's from the
Inquirer but sounds interesting *if* it really almost doubles the
amount of space.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14597
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:41 pm
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"The little lost angel" wrote:
> Nobody here seems to have picked this up. I know it's from the
> Inquirer but sounds interesting *if* it really almost doubles the
> amount of space.
>
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14597</font" target="_blank">http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14597</font</a>>
This "hidden partition" has been discussed a lot over the
years in alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (the Dell newsgroup). It
contains the as-delivered form of the OS which one can use
to re-load if something screws up badly early in the PC's
usage history. (Search on "ZZTop" at Groups.Google for
archived discussions.) The problem with using it is that
everything done - the files created, software installed, the
personal settings - are all lost and have to be re-created and
re-installed. Eventually, though, as the hard drive fills up,
this area at the end of the hard drive gets overwritten and
is lost. So at least for Dell machines, the ZZTop "partition"
doesn't take up any space as it gets used for storage later
on anyway. And since it essentially just contains the OS
and maybe some manafacturer screen images, it takes
up far less room than half the hard drive.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:41 pm
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Dell hasn't done that in years. Current Dell's only come with a diagnostic
partition that allows you to run diags at boot (CTRL+ALT+D at the Dell
logo).
The partition is a whopping 32mb.
Yes, megabytes.
Partitionmagic can delete it or even assign it a drive letter.
Who hoo -- room for 6 MP3s.
Tom
"Timothy Daniels" <TDaniels.DeleteThis@NoSpamDot.com> wrote in message
news:l96dnVDgc5KhxtLd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> "The little lost angel" wrote:
> > Nobody here seems to have picked this up. I know it's from the
> > Inquirer but sounds interesting *if* it really almost doubles the
> > amount of space.
> >
<font color=green> > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14597</font" target="_blank">http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14597</font</a>>
>
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> This "hidden partition" has been discussed a lot over the
> years in alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (the Dell newsgroup). It
> contains the as-delivered form of the OS which one can use
> to re-load if something screws up badly early in the PC's
> usage history. (Search on "ZZTop" at Groups.Google for
> archived discussions.) The problem with using it is that
> everything done - the files created, software installed, the
> personal settings - are all lost and have to be re-created and
> re-installed. Eventually, though, as the hard drive fills up,
> this area at the end of the hard drive gets overwritten and
> is lost. So at least for Dell machines, the ZZTop "partition"
> doesn't take up any space as it gets used for storage later
> on anyway. And since it essentially just contains the OS
> and maybe some manafacturer screen images, it takes
> up far less room than half the hard drive.
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:41 pm
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"Tom Scales" wrote:
> Dell hasn't done that in years.
Too bad. Running zzTop saved my butt from some
buggy Earthlink software in the early months of my PC's
life.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:52 pm
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The little lost angel wrote:
> Nobody here seems to have picked this up. I know it's from the
> Inquirer but sounds interesting *if* it really almost doubles the
> amount of space.
>
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14597</font" target="_blank">http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14597</font</a>>
Was posted here 2 threads ago, according to my NNTP server.
Something completely absurd as that should be setting off red flags. I
think the general consensus is that the process described is a way to
corrupt your partition table in a way that it appears that you've
doubled your space.
This kind of reminds me of those cell phone "antenna booster" stickers.
If it really worked, don't you think the *manufacturer* would be doing
it? (Except in this case, the results are disastrous)
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:09 pm
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"Will Dormann" <wdormann DeleteThis @yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> The little lost angel wrote:
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> > Nobody here seems to have picked this up. I know it's from the
> > Inquirer but sounds interesting *if* it really almost doubles the
> > amount of space.
> >
<font color=green> > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14597</font" target="_blank">http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14597</font</a>>
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> Was posted here 2 threads ago, according to my NNTP server.
>
> Something completely absurd as that should be setting off red flags. I
> think the general consensus is that the process described is a way to
> corrupt your partition table in a way that it appears that you've
> doubled your space.
>
> This kind of reminds me of those cell phone "antenna booster" stickers.
> If it really worked, don't you think the *manufacturer* would be doing
> it? (Except in this case, the results are disastrous)
>
>
> -WD
How can the result be disastrous..
The general view is that it's corrupting your partition table and it's
giving the false impression
If that's the case then there will be no harm done to the disk and a simple
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:18 pm
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rstlne wrote:
> "Will Dormann" <wdormann.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0JH3c.12870$pg.11704@fe3.columbus.rr.com...
>>This kind of reminds me of those cell phone "antenna booster" stickers.
>> If it really worked, don't you think the *manufacturer* would be doing
>>it? (Except in this case, the results are disastrous)
>>
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>>-WD
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> How can the result be disastrous..
> The general view is that it's corrupting your partition table and it's
> giving the false impression
> If that's the case then there will be no harm done to the disk and a simple
> low level format will fix it
Sure, no physical harm is done. But your data is at risk. I consider
losing my data a disaster.
Give it a shot and see what happens when you start to fill up the drive.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:49 pm
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:52:12 GMT, Will Dormann
<wdormann.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>Something completely absurd as that should be setting off red flags. I
>think the general consensus is that the process described is a way to
>corrupt your partition table in a way that it appears that you've
>doubled your space.
Intuitively, red flags popped up. But a friend pointed me to a
discussion on some forum. Apparently at least one person tried it and
believes it really does work after dumping a few files in the new
partition but refused to bother with further verification.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:07 pm
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The little lost angel wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:52:12 GMT, Will Dormann
> <wdormann.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
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>>Something completely absurd as that should be setting off red flags. I
>>think the general consensus is that the process described is a way to
>>corrupt your partition table in a way that it appears that you've
>>doubled your space.
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> Intuitively, red flags popped up. But a friend pointed me to a
> discussion on some forum. Apparently at least one person tried it and
> believes it really does work after dumping a few files in the new
> partition but refused to bother with further verification.
And the chances that I trust one person in a forum somewhere?
Let's say that I have a drive that stores 80GB, and I find out a new
whizz-bang way to make it store more than 80GB. Wouldn't a logical
step to test out that theory be to put more than 80GB on the drive?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:01 pm
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> > How can the result be disastrous..
> > The general view is that it's corrupting your partition table and it's
> > giving the false impression
> > If that's the case then there will be no harm done to the disk and a
simple
> > low level format will fix it
>
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> Sure, no physical harm is done. But your data is at risk. I consider
> losing my data a disaster.
>
> Give it a shot and see what happens when you start to fill up the drive.
>
>
> -WD
Yea.. I MIGHT do it tonight.. The data thing is an issue as my backup drives
arent fast enough for me to install a "NT" Bootable OS and my 2 big drives
are both in their own boxes.. I migh ttry it tonight tho just for kicks..<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Double your disk space?? |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:48 pm
Post subject: Yes it can work, normally you can AT LEAST DOUBLE THE SIZE! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:34 am
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Timothy Daniels wrote:
> "Tom Scales" wrote:
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>>Dell hasn't done that in years.
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> Too bad. Running zzTop saved my butt from some
> buggy Earthlink software in the early months of my PC's
> life.
Aren't recovery CDs/DVDs common these days? (to accomplish the same
functionality)
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:34 am
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Dell doesn't ship recovery CDs. They ship REAL OS/Application CDs. One of
the reasons I prefer Dell.
Tom
"Will Dormann" <wdormann RemoveThis @yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Timothy Daniels wrote:
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> > "Tom Scales" wrote:
> >
> >>Dell hasn't done that in years.
> >
> >
> > Too bad. Running zzTop saved my butt from some
> > buggy Earthlink software in the early months of my PC's
> > life.
>
>
> Aren't recovery CDs/DVDs common these days? (to accomplish the same
> functionality)
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:15 am
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Previously The little lost angel <a?n?g?e?l@lovergirl.lrigrevol.moc.com> wrote:
> Nobody here seems to have picked this up. I know it's from the
> Inquirer but sounds interesting *if* it really almost doubles the
> amount of space.
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14597</font" target="_blank">http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14597</font</a>>
This is wrong. Most likely overlapping partitions, i.e. you see more
space but cannot use it. In the worst case any writes to the new space
will corrupt the whole disk.
There is just no way to get that much additional space. HDDs have
maybe 1% or so additional space to what is directly available
(exception: sometimes small disks are turned into smaller ones, to
fullfill a large order.).
Arno
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:17 am
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Previously Joep <j o e p @ d i y d a t a r e c o v e r y . n l> wrote:
> Yes it can work, normally you can AT LEAST DOUBLE THE SIZE in
<font color=purple> > just 3 weeks! For more details see: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.maximizer-rx.com/</font" target="_blank">http://www.maximizer-rx.com/</font</a>>
Yes, that must be it!  ==)
Good one!
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