Drive Image v7.01queries

Sounds like you've been following advice of some MS MVPs. Thing is, most of
these folks haven't got a clue with partition specific image backups when
divvying out advice.

There's no point in placing application software installations in a
partition you've specified for that. The registry and ini files on the C
partition contain data for these apps. The clutter is still there, its just
less obvious.

DI is loaded to memory. From that point, it makes no difference what
partition is backed up or restored ,as far as DI file partition location.

You may be on the right track with EndItAll, but you may find that it does
not end it all.
Dave
"Rosie" <mtg.RemoveThis@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:STrEGqAz6N0$Ew2Q@purbeck.demon.co.uk...
 > I've just upgraded to DI 7.01 and I'm having a few problems. I'm running
 > XPHome + SP1, I have C,D,E on Maxtor 1, F,G,H on Maxtor 2, and I on
 > Maxtor 3. C contains XPHome and D contains all (well, most of them) of
 > my programs as I don't like cluttering up Program Files on C.
 > I've put Drive Image on E in an effort to keep it away from partitions I
 > want to image, namely C & D. However, I don't seem to be able to restore
 > an image from XP. If I try to restore D from XP it will tell me that
 > something is preventing the partition from being locked. I ran EnditAll
 > (older version) but it may not have closed down parts of Panda Anti
 > Virus so I get messages saying that such & such cannot be locked (looks
 > like files have been encrypted?) and I then have to use the PQRE. I also
 > get error messages like EOBB0097, but these messages don't appear on the
 > Powerquest error list. I'm currently waiting on a response from PQ about
 > this.
 > Is it feasible to be able to shut down everything that is running on the
 > partitioned to be imaged? Perhaps I should try latest EnditAll?
 > --
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Rosie <mtg.RemoveThis@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:STrEGqAz6N0$Ew2Q@purbeck.demon.co.uk...

 > I've just upgraded to DI 7.01 and I'm having a few problems. I'm running
 > XPHome + SP1, I have C,D,E on Maxtor 1, F,G,H on Maxtor 2, and I on
 > Maxtor 3. C contains XPHome and D contains all (well, most of them) of
 > my programs as I don't like cluttering up Program Files on C.

You do however end up with a considerable mess
of partitions for no real useful advantage tho.

 > I've put Drive Image on E in an effort to keep it away
 > from partitions I want to image, namely C & D.

Where its installed is completely irrelevant to what it can
image or restore. What it can image or restore depends
on what partition is BOOTED, not where DI is stored.

 > However, I don't seem to be able to restore an image
 > from XP. If I try to restore D from XP it will tell me that
 > something is preventing the partition from being locked.

Thats because you have the program files stored there
and some of them are in use and preventing the restore.

You'll have to do that restore using the rescue
floppys or when booted from the distribution CD.

 > I ran EnditAll (older version) but it may not have closed
 > down parts of Panda Anti Virus so I get messages saying
 > that such & such cannot be locked (looks like files have
 > been encrypted?) and I then have to use the PQRE.
 > I also get error messages like EOBB0097, but these
 > messages don't appear on the Powerquest error list.
 > I'm currently waiting on a response from PQ about this.

 > Is it feasible to be able to shut down everything
 > that is running on the partitioned to be imaged?

Maybe.

 > Perhaps I should try latest EnditAll?

Dunno, dont use it myself.

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In message <bqqspu$24hbgc$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed
<rod_speed.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> writes
 >
 >Rosie <mtg.TakeThisOut@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
 >news:STrEGqAz6N0$Ew2Q@purbeck.demon.co.uk...
 >
  >> I've just upgraded to DI 7.01 and I'm having a few problems. I'm running
  >> XPHome + SP1, I have C,D,E on Maxtor 1, F,G,H on Maxtor 2, and I on
  >> Maxtor 3. C contains XPHome and D contains all (well, most of them) of
  >> my programs as I don't like cluttering up Program Files on C.
 >
 >You do however end up with a considerable mess
 >of partitions for no real useful advantage tho.
Maybe. The other partitions are used for video editing stuff, data etc.
 >
  >> I've put Drive Image on E in an effort to keep it away
  >> from partitions I want to image, namely C & D.
 >
 >Where its installed is completely irrelevant to what it can
 >image or restore. What it can image or restore depends
 >on what partition is BOOTED, not where DI is stored.
 >
O.K. C is always my boot drive.
  >> However, I don't seem to be able to restore an image
  >> from XP. If I try to restore D from XP it will tell me that
  >> something is preventing the partition from being locked.
 >
 >Thats because you have the program files stored there
 >and some of them are in use and preventing the restore.
 >
 >You'll have to do that restore using the rescue
 >floppys or when booted from the distribution CD.
No rescue floppies with DI 7.
 >
  >> I ran EnditAll (older version) but it may not have closed
  >> down parts of Panda Anti Virus so I get messages saying
  >> that such & such cannot be locked (looks like files have
  >> been encrypted?) and I then have to use the PQRE.
  >> I also get error messages like EOBB0097, but these
  >> messages don't appear on the Powerquest error list.
  >> I'm currently waiting on a response from PQ about this.
 >
  >> Is it feasible to be able to shut down everything
  >> that is running on the partitioned to be imaged?
 >
 >Maybe.
 >
  >> Perhaps I should try latest EnditAll?
 >
 >Dunno, dont use it myself.
 >
 >Why not just image from the rescue floppys or the distribution CD ?
 >
 >
Because DI 7 claims to restore under Windows, and because the PQRE CD
takes an age to load!
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In message <3fd13dc6$0$206$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Michael Kimmer
<michaelkimmer.RemoveThis@NOSPAM.xs4all.nl> writes
 >Rosie wrote:
  >> I've just upgraded to DI 7.01 and I'm having a few problems. I'm
  >> running XPHome + SP1, I have C,D,E on Maxtor 1, F,G,H on Maxtor 2,
  >> and I on Maxtor 3. C contains XPHome and D contains all (well, most
  >> of them) of my programs as I don't like cluttering up Program Files
  >> on C.
  >> I've put Drive Image on E in an effort to keep it away from
  >> partitions I want to image, namely C & D. However, I don't seem to be
  >> able to restore an image from XP. If I try to restore D from XP it
  >> will tell me that something is preventing the partition from being
  >> locked. I ran EnditAll (older version) but it may not have closed
  >> down parts of Panda Anti Virus so I get messages saying that such &
  >> such cannot be locked (looks like files have been encrypted?) and I
  >> then have to use the PQRE. I also get error messages like EOBB0097,
  >> but these messages don't appear on the Powerquest error list. I'm
  >> currently waiting on a response from PQ about this.
  >> Is it feasible to be able to shut down everything that is running on
  >> the partitioned to be imaged? Perhaps I should try latest EnditAll?
 >
 >You wrote
  >> ... I also get error messages like EOBB0097,
  >> but these messages don't appear on the Powerquest error list. I'm
  >> currently waiting on a response from PQ about this.
 >First, enter the hex value in their proper format. So, they are *not*
 >EOBB001B and EOBB0097, they should be error numbers E0BB001B and E0BB0097
 >and can be found in the error list online:
 >http://www.powerquest.com/support/primus/id5212.cfm

 >
 >Drive Image's engine is also based on the v2i technology. so check out this
 >link.
 >-- Error "Cannot Lock Drive"; Errors EOBB001B and EOBB0097 (See PowerQuest
 >Solution pq1020.)
 >
 >Possible issues that lead to either error E0BB001B and E0BB0097...
 >-If you are using Norton SystemWorks, deselect /CleanSweep/ in the
 >SystemWorks Startup.
 >-If you are using /Microsoft Front Page/, you may need to close it or remove
 >it from the Windows Startup menu.
 >-If you are using /Diskeeper/, you must deselect its *Smart Scheduling*
 >option.
 >
Well Michael, that doesn't help me. I don't get E0BB001B and that link
doesn't explain E0BB0097 and the references to Norton, FrontPage and
Diskeeper are not applicable as I don't have them or use them!
Thanks anyway.
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In message <USgAb.45836$yM6.43997@lakeread06>, Lil' Dave
<spamyourself.RemoveThis@virus.net> writes
 >Sounds like you've been following advice of some MS MVPs. Thing is, most of
 >these folks haven't got a clue with partition specific image backups when
 >divvying out advice.
 >
 >There's no point in placing application software installations in a
 >partition you've specified for that. The registry and ini files on the C
 >partition contain data for these apps. The clutter is still there, its just
 >less obvious.
Yes, I understand that, but if my system fails to boot an image, restore
will bring it back to life. Keeping programs separately makes sense to
me (maybe not to others!) My C image with DI 7 I just under 2.5 gb. If a
program doesn't work afterwards I can just re-instal it.
 >
 >DI is loaded to memory. From that point, it makes no difference what
 >partition is backed up or restored ,as far as DI file partition location.
 >
OK.
 >You may be on the right track with EndItAll, but you may find that it does
 >not end it all.
 >Dave
I tried it, and it seems it doesn't!

 >"Rosie" <mtg.RemoveThis@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
 >news:STrEGqAz6N0$Ew2Q@purbeck.demon.co.uk...
  >> I've just upgraded to DI 7.01 and I'm having a few problems. I'm running
  >> XPHome + SP1, I have C,D,E on Maxtor 1, F,G,H on Maxtor 2, and I on
  >> Maxtor 3. C contains XPHome and D contains all (well, most of them) of
  >> my programs as I don't like cluttering up Program Files on C.
  >> I've put Drive Image on E in an effort to keep it away from partitions I
  >> want to image, namely C & D. However, I don't seem to be able to restore
  >> an image from XP. If I try to restore D from XP it will tell me that
  >> something is preventing the partition from being locked. I ran EnditAll
  >> (older version) but it may not have closed down parts of Panda Anti
  >> Virus so I get messages saying that such & such cannot be locked (looks
  >> like files have been encrypted?) and I then have to use the PQRE. I also
  >> get error messages like EOBB0097, but these messages don't appear on the
  >> Powerquest error list. I'm currently waiting on a response from PQ about
  >> this.
  >> Is it feasible to be able to shut down everything that is running on the
  >> partitioned to be imaged? Perhaps I should try latest EnditAll?
  >> --
  >> gillie
 >
 >

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In message <bqsbj2$2427bd$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed
<rod_speed.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> writes
 >
 >Rosie <mtg.RemoveThis@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
 >news:4Cd8fpBEIa0$EwD9@purbeck.demon.co.uk...
  >> Rod Speed <rod_speed.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> writes
   >>> Rosie <mtg.RemoveThis@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote
 >
   >>>> I've just upgraded to DI 7.01 and I'm having a few problems. I'm running
   >>>> XPHome + SP1, I have C,D,E on Maxtor 1, F,G,H on Maxtor 2, and I on
   >>>> Maxtor 3. C contains XPHome and D contains all (well, most of them) of
   >>>> my programs as I don't like cluttering up Program Files on C.
 >
   >>> You do however end up with a considerable mess
   >>> of partitions for no real useful advantage tho.
 >
  >> Maybe.
 >
 >No maybe about it.
 >
  >> The other partitions are used for video editing stuff, data etc.
 >
 >You can use a folder tree for that instead.
Are you suggesting that I put everything into 1 partition then? I
understood it is better to have a 'dedicated' drive for video editing
stuff and a different drive/partition for data..
 >
   >>>> I've put Drive Image on E in an effort to keep it away
   >>>> from partitions I want to image, namely C & D.
 >
   >>> Where its installed is completely irrelevant to what it can
   >>> image or restore. What it can image or restore depends
   >>> on what partition is BOOTED, not where DI is stored.
 >
  >> O.K. C is always my boot drive.
 >
   >>>> However, I don't seem to be able to restore an image
   >>>> from XP. If I try to restore D from XP it will tell me that
   >>>> something is preventing the partition from being locked.
 >
   >>> Thats because you have the program files stored there
   >>> and some of them are in use and preventing the restore.
 >
   >>> You'll have to do that restore using the rescue
   >>> floppys or when booted from the distribution CD.
 >
  >> No rescue floppies with DI 7.
 >
 >Its got the previous DI on the CD and you
 >can make the rescue floppys using that.
Actually not. DI 7 & DI 2002 are on separate CD's. Are you saying I can
use DI 2002 floppies to restore from DI 7.01?
 >
 >Or just boot the distribution CD.

Which is what I do.
 >
   >>>> I ran EnditAll (older version) but it may not have closed
   >>>> down parts of Panda Anti Virus so I get messages saying
   >>>> that such & such cannot be locked (looks like files have
   >>>> been encrypted?) and I then have to use the PQRE.
   >>>> I also get error messages like EOBB0097, but these
   >>>> messages don't appear on the Powerquest error list.
   >>>> I'm currently waiting on a response from PQ about this.
 >
   >>>> Is it feasible to be able to shut down everything
   >>>> that is running on the partitioned to be imaged?
 >
   >>> Maybe.
 >
   >>>> Perhaps I should try latest EnditAll?
 >
   >>> Dunno, dont use it myself.
 >
   >>> Why not just image from the rescue floppys or the distribution CD ?
 >
  >> Because DI 7 claims to restore under Windows,
 >
 >Not with that particular config it doesnt.

Surely there is nothing special about this config? The documentation
doesn't say you can only use DI 7 on a single disk with 1 partition, it
ought to be able to recognise any disk on the system, together with
partitions. If it can't, then the software isn't right.
What config _will_ restore from Windows (XPHome) then? There are always
going to be some programs running that would prevent DI & from restoring
even in a very basic config such as you may be suggesting.
Just trying to understand this stuff, its important, as get it wrong and
the system is crapped (which did happen to me with Acronis, where it
wrote the image to the wrong partition).

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Rosie <mtg.TakeThisOut@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4Cd8fpBEIa0$EwD9@purbeck.demon.co.uk...
 > Rod Speed <rod_speed.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> writes
  >> Rosie <mtg.TakeThisOut@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote

   >>> I've just upgraded to DI 7.01 and I'm having a few problems. I'm running
   >>> XPHome + SP1, I have C,D,E on Maxtor 1, F,G,H on Maxtor 2, and I on
   >>> Maxtor 3. C contains XPHome and D contains all (well, most of them) of
   >>> my programs as I don't like cluttering up Program Files on C.

  >> You do however end up with a considerable mess
  >> of partitions for no real useful advantage tho.

 > Maybe.

No maybe about it.

 > The other partitions are used for video editing stuff, data etc.

You can use a folder tree for that instead.

   >>> I've put Drive Image on E in an effort to keep it away
   >>> from partitions I want to image, namely C & D.

  >> Where its installed is completely irrelevant to what it can
  >> image or restore. What it can image or restore depends
  >> on what partition is BOOTED, not where DI is stored.

 > O.K. C is always my boot drive.

   >>> However, I don't seem to be able to restore an image
   >>> from XP. If I try to restore D from XP it will tell me that
   >>> something is preventing the partition from being locked.

  >> Thats because you have the program files stored there
  >> and some of them are in use and preventing the restore.

  >> You'll have to do that restore using the rescue
  >> floppys or when booted from the distribution CD.

 > No rescue floppies with DI 7.

Its got the previous DI on the CD and you
can make the rescue floppys using that.

Or just boot the distribution CD.

   >>> I ran EnditAll (older version) but it may not have closed
   >>> down parts of Panda Anti Virus so I get messages saying
   >>> that such & such cannot be locked (looks like files have
   >>> been encrypted?) and I then have to use the PQRE.
   >>> I also get error messages like EOBB0097, but these
   >>> messages don't appear on the Powerquest error list.
   >>> I'm currently waiting on a response from PQ about this.

   >>> Is it feasible to be able to shut down everything
   >>> that is running on the partitioned to be imaged?

  >> Maybe.

   >>> Perhaps I should try latest EnditAll?

  >> Dunno, dont use it myself.

  >> Why not just image from the rescue floppys or the distribution CD ?

 > Because DI 7 claims to restore under Windows,

Not with that particular config it doesnt.

 > and because the PQRE CD takes an age to load!

Thats life. It will work like that. Its a trivial
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Rosie <mtg.TakeThisOut@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2qS1yGC$Xe0$Ewgq@purbeck.demon.co.uk...
 > Rod Speed <rod_speed.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> writes
  >> Rosie <mtg.TakeThisOut@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote
   >>> Rod Speed <rod_speed.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> writes
   >>>> Rosie <mtg.TakeThisOut@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote

   >>>>> I've just upgraded to DI 7.01 and I'm having a few problems. I'm running
   >>>>> XPHome + SP1, I have C,D,E on Maxtor 1, F,G,H on Maxtor 2, and I on
   >>>>> Maxtor 3. C contains XPHome and D contains all (well, most of them) of
   >>>>> my programs as I don't like cluttering up Program Files on C.

   >>>> You do however end up with a considerable mess
   >>>> of partitions for no real useful advantage tho.

   >>> Maybe.

  >> No maybe about it.

   >>> The other partitions are used for video editing stuff, data etc.

  >>You can use a folder tree for that instead.

 > Are you suggesting that I put everything into 1 partition then?

Not necessarily. Its possible to make a case for a separate
partition for the OS and apps. Basically because there is a
real advantage in doing a quick image of that partition before
installing anything or applying service packs etc, so you can
just restore the image if that all goes pear shaped. Having
a separate partition with just the OS and apps in it does
allow that image creation to be as quick as possible, and
that increases the likelyhood that you will bother to create
an image of it before installing or reconfiguring anything.

And if you only have one physical drive, you need
to have somewhere to write that image file as well.

 > I understood it is better to have a
 > 'dedicated' drive for video editing stuff

Not anymore with decent modern hard drives. Thats really only
necessary if the drive is very marginal for raw video capture.

 > and a different drive/partition for data..

Thats not necessary at all on the separate physical drive.
In fact with many systems, 3 drives all jammed up against
each other in the 3.5" drive bay stack can see the drives
get stinking hot, much hotter than a single drive that has
plenty of airspace around it would get, or two drives with
a free slot between them would get.

And if you have two cdrom drives, say burner
and a DVD, you've got a problem with many
motherboards that only support 4 IDE drives too.

   >>>>> I've put Drive Image on E in an effort to keep it away
   >>>>> from partitions I want to image, namely C & D.

   >>>> Where its installed is completely irrelevant to what it can
   >>>> image or restore. What it can image or restore depends
   >>>> on what partition is BOOTED, not where DI is stored.

   >>> O.K. C is always my boot drive.

   >>>>> However, I don't seem to be able to restore an image
   >>>>> from XP. If I try to restore D from XP it will tell me that
   >>>>> something is preventing the partition from being locked.

   >>>> Thats because you have the program files stored there
   >>>> and some of them are in use and preventing the restore.

   >>>> You'll have to do that restore using the rescue
   >>>> floppys or when booted from the distribution CD.

   >>> No rescue floppies with DI 7.

  >> Its got the previous DI on the CD and you
  >> can make the rescue floppys using that.

 > Actually not. DI 7 & DI 2002 are on separate CD's.

Hair splitting. Thats near enough.

 > Are you saying I can use DI 2002 floppies to restore from DI 7.01?

Yep.

  >> Or just boot the distribution CD.

 > Which is what I do.

So there was no reason for the original question.

   >>>>> I ran EnditAll (older version) but it may not have closed
   >>>>> down parts of Panda Anti Virus so I get messages saying
   >>>>> that such & such cannot be locked (looks like files have
   >>>>> been encrypted?) and I then have to use the PQRE.
   >>>>> I also get error messages like EOBB0097, but these
   >>>>> messages don't appear on the Powerquest error list.
   >>>>> I'm currently waiting on a response from PQ about this.

   >>>>> Is it feasible to be able to shut down everything
   >>>>> that is running on the partitioned to be imaged?

   >>>> Maybe.

   >>>>> Perhaps I should try latest EnditAll?

   >>>> Dunno, dont use it myself.

   >>>> Why not just image from the rescue floppys or the distribution CD ?

   >>> Because DI 7 claims to restore under Windows,

  >> Not with that particular config it doesnt.

 > Surely there is nothing special about this config?

Only in the sense that since you're restoring the partition where
the apps are stored, that needs to be done in the same way as
when restoring the boot partition if you have separate partitions
for the OS and the apps. That has to be done when booted from
the distribution CD just like it has to be when you are restoring
a single partition that has both the OS and apps in it.

 > The documentation doesn't say you can only use DI 7
 > on a single disk with 1 partition, it ought to be able to
 > recognise any disk on the system, together with partitions.

It can. You just have to do that when booted from the distribution CD.

 > If it can't, then the software isn't right.What config
 > _will_ restore from Windows (XPHome) then?

Basically all the other partitions which just have data etc in them.

 > There are always going to be some programs running
 > that would prevent DI & from restoring even in a very
 > basic config such as you may be suggesting.

Yes, thats why the restore using the booted distribution CD is provided.

XP itself has the same approach. Some stuff can only be
done after booting the distribution CD. For the same reason.

 > Just trying to understand this stuff, its important, as get it
 > wrong and the system is crapped (which did happen to me
 > with Acronis, where it wrote the image to the wrong partition).

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A simple reality check with the separate application partition theorem shows
that it does nothing except save space on the boot partition. Is boot
partition space a problem? If not, deinstall and reinstall the apps to the
default location. If there is a space problem, reorient space on all
partitions to accomodate a bigger boot partition, or get a bigger hard
drive, then deinstall and reinstall apps to their default locations. Or, as
suggested by another, boot from the DI CD and do backups from there. Or,
network to another computer, give rights to the app partition access, and
backup from the other computer.
Dave
"Rosie" <mtg.DeleteThis@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:PSsxLBDBVa0$EwlC@purbeck.demon.co.uk...
 > In message <USgAb.45836$yM6.43997@lakeread06>, Lil' Dave
 > <spamyourself.DeleteThis@virus.net> writes
  > >Sounds like you've been following advice of some MS MVPs. Thing is, most
of
  > >these folks haven't got a clue with partition specific image backups when
  > >divvying out advice.
  > >
  > >There's no point in placing application software installations in a
  > >partition you've specified for that. The registry and ini files on the C
  > >partition contain data for these apps. The clutter is still there, its
just
  > >less obvious.
 > Yes, I understand that, but if my system fails to boot an image, restore
 > will bring it back to life. Keeping programs separately makes sense to
 > me (maybe not to others!) My C image with DI 7 I just under 2.5 gb. If a
 > program doesn't work afterwards I can just re-instal it.
  > >
  > >DI is loaded to memory. From that point, it makes no difference what
  > >partition is backed up or restored ,as far as DI file partition location.
  > >
 > OK.
  > >You may be on the right track with EndItAll, but you may find that it
does
  > >not end it all.
  > >Dave
 > I tried it, and it seems it doesn't!
 >
  > >"Rosie" <mtg.DeleteThis@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
  > >news:STrEGqAz6N0$Ew2Q@purbeck.demon.co.uk...
   > >> I've just upgraded to DI 7.01 and I'm having a few problems. I'm
running
   > >> XPHome + SP1, I have C,D,E on Maxtor 1, F,G,H on Maxtor 2, and I on
   > >> Maxtor 3. C contains XPHome and D contains all (well, most of them) of
   > >> my programs as I don't like cluttering up Program Files on C.
   > >> I've put Drive Image on E in an effort to keep it away from partitions
I
   > >> want to image, namely C & D. However, I don't seem to be able to
restore
   > >> an image from XP. If I try to restore D from XP it will tell me that
   > >> something is preventing the partition from being locked. I ran EnditAll
   > >> (older version) but it may not have closed down parts of Panda Anti
   > >> Virus so I get messages saying that such & such cannot be locked (looks
   > >> like files have been encrypted?) and I then have to use the PQRE. I
also
   > >> get error messages like EOBB0097, but these messages don't appear on
the
   > >> Powerquest error list. I'm currently waiting on a response from PQ
about
   > >> this.
   > >> Is it feasible to be able to shut down everything that is running on
the
   > >> partitioned to be imaged? Perhaps I should try latest EnditAll?
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  > >
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In message <bqta4o$26uqf8$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed
<rod_speed.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> writes
 >
OK Rod, thanks.

 >Rosie <mtg.DeleteThis@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
 >news:2qS1yGC$Xe0$Ewgq@purbeck.demon.co.uk...
  >> Rod Speed <rod_speed.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> writes
   >>> Rosie <mtg.DeleteThis@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote
   >>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> writes
   >>>>> Rosie <mtg.DeleteThis@purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote
 >
   >>>>>> I've just upgraded to DI 7.01 and I'm having a few problems. I'm running
   >>>>>> XPHome + SP1, I have C,D,E on Maxtor 1, F,G,H on Maxtor 2, and I on
   >>>>>> Maxtor 3. C contains XPHome and D contains all (well, most of them) of
   >>>>>> my programs as I don't like cluttering up Program Files on C.
 >
   >>>>> You do however end up with a considerable mess
   >>>>> of partitions for no real useful advantage tho.
 >
   >>>> Maybe.
 >
   >>> No maybe about it.
 >
   >>>> The other partitions are used for video editing stuff, data etc.
 >
   >>>You can use a folder tree for that instead.
 >
  >> Are you suggesting that I put everything into 1 partition then?
 >
 >Not necessarily. Its possible to make a case for a separate
 >partition for the OS and apps. Basically because there is a
 >real advantage in doing a quick image of that partition before
 >installing anything or applying service packs etc, so you can
 >just restore the image if that all goes pear shaped. Having
 >a separate partition with just the OS and apps in it does
 >allow that image creation to be as quick as possible, and
 >that increases the likelyhood that you will bother to create
 >an image of it before installing or reconfiguring anything.
 >
 >And if you only have one physical drive, you need
 >to have somewhere to write that image file as well.
 >
  >> I understood it is better to have a
  >> 'dedicated' drive for video editing stuff
 >
 >Not anymore with decent modern hard drives. Thats really only
 >necessary if the drive is very marginal for raw video capture.
 >
  >> and a different drive/partition for data..
 >
 >Thats not necessary at all on the separate physical drive.
 >In fact with many systems, 3 drives all jammed up against
 >each other in the 3.5" drive bay stack can see the drives
 >get stinking hot, much hotter than a single drive that has
 >plenty of airspace around it would get, or two drives with
 >a free slot between them would get.
 >
 >And if you have two cdrom drives, say burner
 >and a DVD, you've got a problem with many
 >motherboards that only support 4 IDE drives too.
 >
   >>>>>> I've put Drive Image on E in an effort to keep it away
   >>>>>> from partitions I want to image, namely C & D.
 >
   >>>>> Where its installed is completely irrelevant to what it can
   >>>>> image or restore. What it can image or restore depends
   >>>>> on what partition is BOOTED, not where DI is stored.
 >
   >>>> O.K. C is always my boot drive.
 >
   >>>>>> However, I don't seem to be able to restore an image
   >>>>>> from XP. If I try to restore D from XP it will tell me that
   >>>>>> something is preventing the partition from being locked.
 >
   >>>>> Thats because you have the program files stored there
   >>>>> and some of them are in use and preventing the restore.
 >
   >>>>> You'll have to do that restore using the rescue
   >>>>> floppys or when booted from the distribution CD.
 >
   >>>> No rescue floppies with DI 7.
 >
   >>> Its got the previous DI on the CD and you
   >>> can make the rescue floppys using that.
 >
  >> Actually not. DI 7 & DI 2002 are on separate CD's.
 >
 >Hair splitting. Thats near enough.
 >
  >> Are you saying I can use DI 2002 floppies to restore from DI 7.01?
 >
 >Yep.
 >
   >>> Or just boot the distribution CD.
 >
  >> Which is what I do.
 >
 >So there was no reason for the original question.
 >
   >>>>>> I ran EnditAll (older version) but it may not have closed
   >>>>>> down parts of Panda Anti Virus so I get messages saying
   >>>>>> that such & such cannot be locked (looks like files have
   >>>>>> been encrypted?) and I then have to use the PQRE.
   >>>>>> I also get error messages like EOBB0097, but these
   >>>>>> messages don't appear on the Powerquest error list.
   >>>>>> I'm currently waiting on a response from PQ about this.
 >
   >>>>>> Is it feasible to be able to shut down everything
   >>>>>> that is running on the partitioned to be imaged?
 >
   >>>>> Maybe.
 >
   >>>>>> Perhaps I should try latest EnditAll?
 >
   >>>>> Dunno, dont use it myself.
 >
   >>>>> Why not just image from the rescue floppys or the distribution CD ?
 >
   >>>> Because DI 7 claims to restore under Windows,
 >
   >>> Not with that particular config it doesnt.
 >
  >> Surely there is nothing special about this config?
 >
 >Only in the sense that since you're restoring the partition where
 >the apps are stored, that needs to be done in the same way as
 >when restoring the boot partition if you have separate partitions
 >for the OS and the apps. That has to be done when booted from
 >the distribution CD just like it has to be when you are restoring
 >a single partition that has both the OS and apps in it.
 >
  >> The documentation doesn't say you can only use DI 7
  >> on a single disk with 1 partition, it ought to be able to
  >> recognise any disk on the system, together with partitions.
 >
 >It can. You just have to do that when booted from the distribution CD.
 >
  >> If it can't, then the software isn't right.What config
  >> _will_ restore from Windows (XPHome) then?
 >
 >Basically all the other partitions which just have data etc in them.
 >
  >> There are always going to be some programs running
  >> that would prevent DI & from restoring even in a very
  >> basic config such as you may be suggesting.
 >
 >Yes, thats why the restore using the booted distribution CD is provided.
 >
 >XP itself has the same approach. Some stuff can only be
 >done after booting the distribution CD. For the same reason.
 >
  >> Just trying to understand this stuff, its important, as get it
  >> wrong and the system is crapped (which did happen to me
  >> with Acronis, where it wrote the image to the wrong partition).
 >
 >Yeah, image restores can bite you on the bum
 >rather spectacularly. So can any backup restore.
 >
 >

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In message <g%EAb.49323$yM6.39008@lakeread06>, Lil' Dave
<spamyourself DeleteThis @virus.net> writes
 >A simple reality check with the separate application partition theorem shows
 >that it does nothing except save space on the boot partition.
Sorry Dave, I'm not convinced that I need OS & programs together. My
problem then.
 > Is boot
 >partition space a problem?
No.
 >If not, deinstall and reinstall the apps to the
 >default location. If there is a space problem, reorient space on all
 >partitions to accomodate a bigger boot partition, or get a bigger hard
 >drive, then deinstall and reinstall apps to their default locations. Or, as
 >suggested by another, boot from the DI CD and do backups from there. Or,
 >network to another computer, give rights to the app partition access, and
 >backup from the other computer.
 >Dave

Looks like more work than I need!

Thanks for your input Dave, I guess I'll stick with my way, as I can't
really see any benefit in having OS & programs on one partition, I find
it is so much easier to image C: if I haven't added any programs, I
don't need to image D: as often. And, the bigger the C: image the more
space I need to store it, almost too much for 1 DVD.
Each to his own I guess!
 >"Rosie" <mtg DeleteThis @purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
 >news:PSsxLBDBVa0$EwlC@purbeck.demon.co.uk...
  >> In message <USgAb.45836$yM6.43997@lakeread06>, Lil' Dave
  >> <spamyourself DeleteThis @virus.net> writes
   >> >Sounds like you've been following advice of some MS MVPs. Thing is, most
 >of
   >> >these folks haven't got a clue with partition specific image backups when
   >> >divvying out advice.
   >> >
   >> >There's no point in placing application software installations in a
   >> >partition you've specified for that. The registry and ini files on the C
   >> >partition contain data for these apps. The clutter is still there, its
 >just
   >> >less obvious.
  >> Yes, I understand that, but if my system fails to boot an image, restore
  >> will bring it back to life. Keeping programs separately makes sense to
  >> me (maybe not to others!) My C image with DI 7 I just under 2.5 gb. If a
  >> program doesn't work afterwards I can just re-instal it.
   >> >
   >> >DI is loaded to memory. From that point, it makes no difference what
   >> >partition is backed up or restored ,as far as DI file partition location.
   >> >
  >> OK.
   >> >You may be on the right track with EndItAll, but you may find that it
 >does
   >> >not end it all.
   >> >Dave
  >> I tried it, and it seems it doesn't!
  >>
   >> >"Rosie" <mtg DeleteThis @purbeck.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
   >> >news:STrEGqAz6N0$Ew2Q@purbeck.demon.co.uk...
   >> >> I've just upgraded to DI 7.01 and I'm having a few problems. I'm
 >running
   >> >> XPHome + SP1, I have C,D,E on Maxtor 1, F,G,H on Maxtor 2, and I on
   >> >> Maxtor 3. C contains XPHome and D contains all (well, most of them) of
   >> >> my programs as I don't like cluttering up Program Files on C.
   >> >> I've put Drive Image on E in an effort to keep it away from partitions
 >I
   >> >> want to image, namely C & D. However, I don't seem to be able to
 >restore
   >> >> an image from XP. If I try to restore D from XP it will tell me that
   >> >> something is preventing the partition from being locked. I ran EnditAll
   >> >> (older version) but it may not have closed down parts of Panda Anti
   >> >> Virus so I get messages saying that such & such cannot be locked (looks
   >> >> like files have been encrypted?) and I then have to use the PQRE. I
 >also
   >> >> get error messages like EOBB0097, but these messages don't appear on
 >the
   >> >> Powerquest error list. I'm currently waiting on a response from PQ
 >about
   >> >> this.
   >> >> Is it feasible to be able to shut down everything that is running on
 >the
   >> >> partitioned to be imaged? Perhaps I should try latest EnditAll?
   >> >> --
   >> >> gillie
   >> >
   >> >
  >>
  >> --
  >> gillie
 >
 >

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