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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 11:22 am
Post subject: Excelsor Drive Problem
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Hello All
I have installed an 80Gb Exelsor (ATA100, 7200 rpm) drive on my system:
AMD XP 2500+ (Barton)
512Mb RAM, HDD - 120Gb (ATA-133, 7200rpm)
Motherboard ASUS A7N8X 2.0 With Pheonix Award BIOS v6.0
Window XP Home (current with updates)
The system performed normally before I installed the drive but after
installing I had a number of problems:
1. The System seemed to slow down - it would take almost 2 mins to load up.
2. In BIOS I do not see any recognisable description for the drive unlike
with my Maxtor drive which I see in English for its description. What I see
for the Excelsor drive is almost hyeroglyphcial.
3. It does not show the correct encoding for the drive size: its show 23468
Mb when it should say something like 80 Gb.
I have the drive set-up as a secondary (Slave) drive and Windows appears to
see it as a 'F' drive but the is about it. Windows Will not write to it
(registering an I/O error whenever I try to) and the system all but hangs
when I try to do anything with the drive.
Does anyone have any ideas how I can get around this or is there something
that I am missing?
Many thanks in advance
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:55 am
Post subject: Re: Excelsor Drive Problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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What IDE device do you have as the Master on the secondary port?
IIRC, a hard drive will not operate correctly as a slave if there is no
master drive present, or if an ATAPI device (CD,CD-R/W,DVD) is the master.
There must be a Hard drive connected as Master for another HD to work as a
Slave.
John S.
"Lokai" <lokai1965 DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:nlmVb.7$6W3.4@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net...
> Hello All
>
> I have installed an 80Gb Exelsor (ATA100, 7200 rpm) drive on my system:
>
> AMD XP 2500+ (Barton)
> 512Mb RAM, HDD - 120Gb (ATA-133, 7200rpm)
> Motherboard ASUS A7N8X 2.0 With Pheonix Award BIOS v6.0
> Window XP Home (current with updates)
>
> The system performed normally before I installed the drive but after
> installing I had a number of problems:
>
> 1. The System seemed to slow down - it would take almost 2 mins to load
up.
> 2. In BIOS I do not see any recognisable description for the drive unlike
> with my Maxtor drive which I see in English for its description. What I
see
> for the Excelsor drive is almost hyeroglyphcial.
> 3. It does not show the correct encoding for the drive size: its show
23468
> Mb when it should say something like 80 Gb.
>
> I have the drive set-up as a secondary (Slave) drive and Windows appears
to
> see it as a 'F' drive but the is about it. Windows Will not write to it
> (registering an I/O error whenever I try to) and the system all but hangs
> when I try to do anything with the drive.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas how I can get around this or is there something
> that I am missing?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> L
>
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Since: Nov 10, 2003
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 2:30 am
Post subject: Re: Excelsor Drive Problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Muttley" <nospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message news:WAoVb.1034$J9.25688@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au
> What IDE device do you have as the Master on the secondary port?
>
> IIRC, a hard drive will not operate correctly as a slave if there is no
> master drive present, or if an ATAPI device (CD,CD-R/W,DVD) is the master.
> There must be a Hard drive connected as Master for another HD to work as a
> Slave.
Clueless.
>
> John S.
>
> "Lokai" <lokai1965.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:nlmVb.7$6W3.4@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net...
> > Hello All
> >
> > I have installed an 80Gb Exelsor (ATA100, 7200 rpm) drive on my system:
> >
> > AMD XP 2500+ (Barton)
> > 512Mb RAM, HDD - 120Gb (ATA-133, 7200rpm)
> > Motherboard ASUS A7N8X 2.0 With Pheonix Award BIOS v6.0
> > Window XP Home (current with updates)
> >
> > The system performed normally before I installed the drive but after
> > installing I had a number of problems:
> >
> > 1. The System seemed to slow down - it would take almost 2 mins to load up.
> > 2. In BIOS I do not see any recognisable description for the drive unlike
> > with my Maxtor drive which I see in English for its description. What I see
> > for the Excelsor drive is almost hyeroglyphcial.
> > 3. It does not show the correct encoding for the drive size: its show 23468
> > Mb when it should say something like 80 Gb.
> >
> > I have the drive set-up as a secondary (Slave) drive and Windows appears to
> > see it as a 'F' drive but the is about it. Windows Will not write to it
> > (registering an I/O error whenever I try to) and the system all but hangs
> > when I try to do anything with the drive.
> >
> > Does anyone have any ideas how I can get around this or is there something
> > that I am missing?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance
> >
> > L<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Excelsor Drive Problem |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:36 am
Post subject: Re: Excelsor Drive Problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Doh, don't I feel like a fool............
My apologies, my previous post was in error.
I have since found out that these restrictions do not apply to the UDMA
drives and UDMA EIDE controllers used in todays systems.
(It did happen to me ages ago when using a Pentium system with PIO mode
drives though.)
Again, My apologies,
John S.
"Muttley" <nospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:WAoVb.1034$J9.25688@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> What IDE device do you have as the Master on the secondary port?
>
> IIRC, a hard drive will not operate correctly as a slave if there is no
> master drive present, or if an ATAPI device (CD,CD-R/W,DVD) is the master.
> There must be a Hard drive connected as Master for another HD to work as a
> Slave.
>
> John S.
>
> "Lokai" <lokai1965.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:nlmVb.7$6W3.4@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net...
> > Hello All
> >
> > I have installed an 80Gb Exelsor (ATA100, 7200 rpm) drive on my system:
> >
> > AMD XP 2500+ (Barton)
> > 512Mb RAM, HDD - 120Gb (ATA-133, 7200rpm)
> > Motherboard ASUS A7N8X 2.0 With Pheonix Award BIOS v6.0
> > Window XP Home (current with updates)
> >
> > The system performed normally before I installed the drive but after
> > installing I had a number of problems:
> >
> > 1. The System seemed to slow down - it would take almost 2 mins to load
> up.
> > 2. In BIOS I do not see any recognisable description for the drive
unlike
> > with my Maxtor drive which I see in English for its description. What I
> see
> > for the Excelsor drive is almost hyeroglyphcial.
> > 3. It does not show the correct encoding for the drive size: its show
> 23468
> > Mb when it should say something like 80 Gb.
> >
> > I have the drive set-up as a secondary (Slave) drive and Windows appears
> to
> > see it as a 'F' drive but the is about it. Windows Will not write to it
> > (registering an I/O error whenever I try to) and the system all but
hangs
> > when I try to do anything with the drive.
> >
> > Does anyone have any ideas how I can get around this or is there
something
> > that I am missing?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance
> >
> > L
> >
> >
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:36 am
Post subject: Re: Excelsor Drive Problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Muttley" <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message news:p1MVb.302$cW2.9068@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au
> Doh, don't I feel like a fool............
>
> My apologies, my previous post was in error.
>
> I have since found out that these restrictions do not apply to the UDMA
> drives and UDMA EIDE controllers used in todays systems.
And not to the ones before_those either.
>
> (It did happen to me ages ago when using a Pentium system with PIO mode
> drives though.)
>
> Again, My apologies,
>
> John S.
>
> "Muttley" <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message news:WAoVb.1034$J9.25688@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> > What IDE device do you have as the Master on the secondary port?
> >
> > IIRC, a hard drive will not operate correctly as a slave if there is no
> > master drive present, or if an ATAPI device (CD,CD-R/W,DVD) is the master.
> > There must be a Hard drive connected as Master for another HD to work as a
> > Slave.
> >
> > John S.
> >
> > "Lokai" lokai1965 DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:nlmVb.7$6W3.4@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net...
> > > Hello All
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:46 am
Post subject: Re: Excelsor Drive Problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Check that the jumper settings on your drives are correct.
The only time I recall seeing weird behaviour like you describe during drive
detection, was when the drives were not correctly jumpered.
ie: Both of the drives on the one channel cable were jumpered as Master,
both were jumpered as Slave or one drive has the jumper missing.
Going by my previous post though, I'm probably wrong anyway..... 
John S.
"Lokai" <lokai1965 RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:nlmVb.7$6W3.4@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net...
> Hello All
>
> I have installed an 80Gb Exelsor (ATA100, 7200 rpm) drive on my system:
>
> AMD XP 2500+ (Barton)
> 512Mb RAM, HDD - 120Gb (ATA-133, 7200rpm)
> Motherboard ASUS A7N8X 2.0 With Pheonix Award BIOS v6.0
> Window XP Home (current with updates)
>
> The system performed normally before I installed the drive but after
> installing I had a number of problems:
>
> 1. The System seemed to slow down - it would take almost 2 mins to load
up.
> 2. In BIOS I do not see any recognisable description for the drive unlike
> with my Maxtor drive which I see in English for its description. What I
see
> for the Excelsor drive is almost hyeroglyphcial.
> 3. It does not show the correct encoding for the drive size: its show
23468
> Mb when it should say something like 80 Gb.
>
> I have the drive set-up as a secondary (Slave) drive and Windows appears
to
> see it as a 'F' drive but the is about it. Windows Will not write to it
> (registering an I/O error whenever I try to) and the system all but hangs
> when I try to do anything with the drive.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas how I can get around this or is there something
> that I am missing?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> L
>
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:27 am
Post subject: Re: Excelsor Drive Problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Ok.
So, If it really doesn't matter at all :-
1) Why do PC hardware guides (Books, Internet, Magazines) bother to say that
a single HD should be jumpered as Master with no slave? (Most hard-drive
manufacturers also state this in their installation guides.)
2) Why do they say that the HD should be the master drive when sharing a
channel with an ATAPI device?
John S.
"Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-to.RemoveThis@myweb.nl> wrote in message
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> "Muttley" <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > Doh, don't I feel like a fool............
> >
> > My apologies, my previous post was in error.
> >
> > I have since found out that these restrictions do not apply to the UDMA
> > drives and UDMA EIDE controllers used in todays systems.
>
> And not to the ones before_those either.
>
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:27 am
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"Muttley" <nospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message news:dL6Wb.216$NS3.9274@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au
> Ok.
>
> So, If it really doesn't matter at all :-
I said that?
>
> 1) Why do PC hardware guides (Books, Internet, Magazines) bother to say that
> a single HD should be jumpered as Master with no slave? (Most hard-drive
> manufacturers also state this in their installation guides.)
How does that change what you said?
And how about drives that don't have such a setting or drives that have
it but where it means quite a different thing, as with IBM (or Maxtor,
or Seagate). Only WD appear to have such a setting that you speak of.
>
> 2) Why do they say that the HD should be the master drive when sharing
> a channel with an ATAPI device?
Because ATAPI devices usually are CD-Rom devices and -because of the
price competition- are lacking in supporting slave devices or working as
a slave device. That is what the "with slave present" is usually about.
There are other (practical) reasons as well since some older bioses refuse
to boot from slaves.
>
> John S.
>
> "Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-to.TakeThisOut@myweb.nl> wrote in message news:c096hp$14ao4i$4@ID-79662.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > "Muttley" <nospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message news:p1MVb.302$cW2.9068@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au
> > > Doh, don't I feel like a fool............
> > >
> > > My apologies, my previous post was in error.
> > >
> > > I have since found out that these restrictions do not apply to the UDMA
> > > drives and UDMA EIDE controllers used in todays systems.
> >
> > And not to the ones before_those either.
> >
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:10 am
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Muttley <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Ok.
> So, If it really doesn't matter at all :-
No one said that. Just that the 'problem' was
only seen with what are now very elderly drives.
> 1) Why do PC hardware guides (Books, Internet,
> Magazines) bother to say that a single HD should
> be jumpered as Master with no slave?
Most drives dont even have a jumper config
like that, most obviously with cdrom drives.
The reason its commonly stated is just because most
keep mindlessly repeating what's been said in the past
without continuously updating what's said, particularly
when what's said still works. Doesnt mean its essential tho.
> (Most hard-drive manufacturers also
> state this in their installation guides.)
Basically they state what works, and you're assuming that
they intend to say that its the only acceptible config when its not.
> 2) Why do they say that the HD should be the master
> drive when sharing a channel with an ATAPI device?
They dont.
And when that is said, its because it
used to matter and doesnt anymore.
> "Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-to DeleteThis @myweb.nl> wrote in message
> news:c096hp$14ao4i$4@ID-79662.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > "Muttley" <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:p1MVb.302$cW2.9068@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au
> > > Doh, don't I feel like a fool............
> > >
> > > My apologies, my previous post was in error.
> > >
> > > I have since found out that these restrictions do not apply to the UDMA
> > > drives and UDMA EIDE controllers used in todays systems.
> >
> > And not to the ones before_those either.
> >
> <snip>
>
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