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Sam11

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:46 pm
Post subject: Hard drive failing? Reallocated Sector count warning
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My Maxtor 6L250R0, only a couple years old now is showing a yellow
highlighted bar for the Reallocated Sector count in HD Tune. The values
are below:

Should I be concerned?


ID Current Worst ThresholdData
Status

(05) Reallocated Sector Count 253 253 63 1 Ok

(03) Spin Up Time 180 178 63 16945 Ok
(04) Start/Stop Count 253 253 0 1206 Ok
(06) Read Channel Margin 253 253 100 0 Ok
(07) Seek Error Rate 253 252 0 0 Ok
(0Cool Seek Time Performance 246 238 187 63919 Ok
(09) Power On Hours Count 241 241 0 54939 Ok
(0A) Spin Retry Count 253 252 157 0 Ok
(0B) Calibration Retry Count 253 252 223 0 Ok
(0C) Power Cycle Count 250 250 0 1212 Ok
(C0) Power Off Retract Count 253 253 0 0 Ok
(C1) Load Cycle Count 253 253 0 0 Ok
(C2) Temperature 31 253 0 31 Ok
(C3) Hardware ECC Recovered 253 252 0 2254 Ok
(C4) Reallocated Event Count 253 253 0 0 Ok
(C5) Current Pending Sector 253 253 0 0 Ok
(C6) Offline Uncorrectable 253 253 0 0 Ok
(C7) Ultra DMA CRC Error Count 1 1 0 50588 Ok
(CCool Write Error Rate 253 252 0 0 Ok
(C9) TA Counter Detected 253 252 0 0 Ok
(CA) TA Counter Increased 253 252 0 1 Ok
(CB) Run Out Cancel 253 252 180 0 Ok
(CC) Soft ECC Correction 253 252 0 0 Ok
(CD) Thermal Asperity Rate 253 252 0 0 Ok
(CF) Spin High Current 253 252 0 0 Ok
(D0) Spin Buzz 253 252 0 0 Ok
(D1) Offline Seek Performance 234 234 0 230 Ok
(D2) (unknown attribute) 253 252 0 0 Ok
(D3) (unknown attribute) 253 252 0 0 Ok
(D4) (unknown attribute) 253 249 0 0 Ok

Power On Time : 54939
Health Status : Ok

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:45 pm
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Sam <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:

> My Maxtor 6L250R0, only a couple years old now is showing a yellow highlighted
> bar for the Reallocated Sector count in HD Tune. The values are below:

> Should I be concerned?

Not if that number doesnt increase.


> ID Current Worst ThresholdData Status
>
> (05) Reallocated Sector Count 253 253 63 1
> Ok
>
> (03) Spin Up Time 180 178 63 16945
> Ok (04) Start/Stop Count 253 253 0 1206
> Ok (06) Read Channel Margin 253 253 100 0
> Ok (07) Seek Error Rate 253 252 0 0
> Ok (0Cool Seek Time Performance 246 238 187 63919
> Ok (09) Power On Hours Count 241 241 0 54939
> Ok (0A) Spin Retry Count 253 252 157 0
> Ok (0B) Calibration Retry Count 253 252 223 0
> Ok (0C) Power Cycle Count 250 250 0 1212
> Ok (C0) Power Off Retract Count 253 253 0 0
> Ok (C1) Load Cycle Count 253 253 0 0
> Ok (C2) Temperature 31 253 0 31
> Ok (C3) Hardware ECC Recovered 253 252 0 2254
> Ok (C4) Reallocated Event Count 253 253 0 0
> Ok (C5) Current Pending Sector 253 253 0 0
> Ok (C6) Offline Uncorrectable 253 253 0 0
> Ok (C7) Ultra DMA CRC Error Count 1 1 0 50588
> Ok (CCool Write Error Rate 253 252 0 0
> Ok (C9) TA Counter Detected 253 252 0 0
> Ok (CA) TA Counter Increased 253 252 0 1
> Ok (CB) Run Out Cancel 253 252 180 0
> Ok (CC) Soft ECC Correction 253 252 0 0
> Ok (CD) Thermal Asperity Rate 253 252 0 0
> Ok (CF) Spin High Current 253 252 0 0
> Ok (D0) Spin Buzz 253 252 0 0
> Ok (D1) Offline Seek Performance 234 234 0 230
> Ok (D2) (unknown attribute) 253 252 0 0
> Ok (D3) (unknown attribute) 253 252 0 0
> Ok (D4) (unknown attribute) 253 249 0 0
> Ok
>
> Power On Time : 54939
> Health Status : Ok

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:18 am
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On 2007-09-18, Sam <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:

> My Maxtor 6L250R0, only a couple years old now is showing a
> yellow highlighted bar for the Reallocated Sector count in HD
> Tune. The values are below:
>
> Should I be concerned?
>
> ID Current Worst ThresholdData
> Status
>
> (05) Reallocated Sector Count 253 253 63 1
> (C5) Current Pending Sector 253 253 0 0

Looking at just these two, your disk has exactly one bad sector.
No need to worry.

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(Counterfeit: awer.RemoveThis@dewy.com cugawav.RemoveThis@bodyguard.com)
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Sam11

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:45 am
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"Andre Majorel" <cheney DeleteThis @halliburton.com> wrote in message
news:slrnff0qmd.4cq.cheney@atc5.vermine.org...
: On 2007-09-18, Sam <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
:
: > My Maxtor 6L250R0, only a couple years old now is showing a
: > yellow highlighted bar for the Reallocated Sector count in HD
: > Tune. The values are below:
: >
: > Should I be concerned?
: >
: > ID Current Worst ThresholdData
: > Status
: >
: > (05) Reallocated Sector Count 253 253 63 1
: > (C5) Current Pending Sector 253 253 0 0
:
: Looking at just these two, your disk has exactly one bad sector.
: No need to worry.

Bad sector already? WTF? Is it RMAble. Obviously, reformatting won't
fix it just block the writing at the bad sector?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:45 am
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"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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: Sam <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:
:
: > My Maxtor 6L250R0, only a couple years old now is showing a yellow
highlighted
: > bar for the Reallocated Sector count in HD Tune. The values are
below:
:
: > Should I be concerned?
:
: Not if that number doesnt increase.

So just watch these two values?

(05) Reallocated Sector Count 253 253 63 1
(C5) Current Pending Sector 253 253 0 0
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Arno Wagner

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:46 am
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Previously Sam <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:

> "Andre Majorel" <cheney RemoveThis @halliburton.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnff0qmd.4cq.cheney@atc5.vermine.org...
> : On 2007-09-18, Sam <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
> :
> : > My Maxtor 6L250R0, only a couple years old now is showing a
> : > yellow highlighted bar for the Reallocated Sector count in HD
> : > Tune. The values are below:
> : >
> : > Should I be concerned?
> : >
> : > ID Current Worst ThresholdData
> : > Status
> : >
> : > (05) Reallocated Sector Count 253 253 63 1
> : > (C5) Current Pending Sector 253 253 0 0
> :
> : Looking at just these two, your disk has exactly one bad sector.
> : No need to worry.

> Bad sector already? WTF? Is it RMAble. Obviously, reformatting won't
> fix it just block the writing at the bad sector?

Low numbers of defective sectors are entirely normal on modern
disks (and have been normal since HDs exist...). Today, they get
reallocated by the disk automatically.

As to "WTF": Simple, you do not understand disk technology....

Arno
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cheney

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:40 pm
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On 2007-09-19, Sam <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>
> "Andre Majorel" <cheney RemoveThis @halliburton.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnff0qmd.4cq.cheney@atc5.vermine.org...
>: On 2007-09-18, Sam <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>:
>: > My Maxtor 6L250R0, only a couple years old now is showing a
>: > yellow highlighted bar for the Reallocated Sector count in HD
>: > Tune. The values are below:
>: >
>: > Should I be concerned?
>: >
>: > ID Current Worst ThresholdData
>: > Status
>: >
>: > (05) Reallocated Sector Count 253 253 63 1
>: > (C5) Current Pending Sector 253 253 0 0
>:
>: Looking at just these two, your disk has exactly one bad sector.
>: No need to worry.
>
> Bad sector already? WTF?

That's normal. I have disks that have been running fine for
years with a dozen bad sectors. When you need to worry is when
the number of bad sectors exceeds that, or grows fast. In my
experience, that's a sign of impending death.

> Is it RMAble.

Probably not.

> Obviously, reformatting won't fix it

Doing a low-level reformatting with the manufacturer's utilities
might. But it's hardly worth the trouble, IMO.

> just block the writing at the bad sector?

No need to. As the word "reallocated" suggests, the disk has
already remapped the sector. Disks have spare sectors set aside
for that purpose.

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(Counterfeit: etawaq RemoveThis @lose.com owez RemoveThis @vigilant.com)
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Folkert Rienstra

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:31 pm
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Rod Speed wrote in news:5lb98fF6mgoqU1@mid.individual.net
> Sam <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > My Maxtor 6L250R0, only a couple years old now is showing a yellow
> > highlighted bar for the Reallocated Sector count in HD Tune. The values
> > are below:
>
> > Should I be concerned?

> Not if that number doesnt increase.

Typical how an increase from 0 to 1 is not a problem but from 1 to 2 is.

> > Ok (C7) Ultra DMA CRC Error Count 1 1 0 50588

And apparently no-one that 's bothered one bit by the Ultra DMA CRC Error Count.


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Folkert Rienstra

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:31 pm
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Sam wrote in news:sh2Ii.4566$A55.2757@pd7urf2no
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5lb98fF6mgoqU1@mid.individual.net...
> > Sam <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > > My Maxtor 6L250R0, only a couple years old now is showing a yellow
> > > highlighted bar for the Reallocated Sector count in HD Tune. The values
> > > are below:
> >
> > > Should I be concerned?
> >
> > Not if that number doesnt increase.

> So just watch these two values?
>
> (05) Reallocated Sector Count 253 253 63 1
> (C5) Current Pending Sector 253 253 0 0

No.
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Folkert Rienstra

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:37 pm
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Sam wrote in news:sh2Ii.4565$A55.3277@pd7urf2no
> "Andre Majorel"wrote in message news:slrnff0qmd.4cq.cheney@atc5.vermine.org...
> > On 2007-09-18, Sam <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > > My Maxtor 6L250R0, only a couple years old now is showing a
> > > yellow highlighted bar for the Reallocated Sector count in HD
> > > Tune. The values are below:
> > >
> > > Should I be concerned?
> > >
> > > ID Current Worst ThresholdData
> > > Status
> > >
> > > (05) Reallocated Sector Count 253 253 63 1
> > > (C5) Current Pending Sector 253 253 0 0
> >
> > Looking at just these two, your disk has exactly one bad sector.
> > No need to worry.

> Bad sector already?

Yes, and?

54939 POH, 1212 PoC.
Like it doesn't get all the chances to run in to one.

> WTF? Is it RMAble.

Nope.

> Obviously, reformatting won't fix it

Since there's nothing to 'fix', *quite* obviously.

> just block the writing at the bad sector?

What bad sector.
What part of "Reallocated" and "Pending" did you not understand.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:30 pm
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"Arno Wagner" <me.DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
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:
: As to "WTF": Simple, you do not understand disk technology....

Perhaps, but I have never had new hard drive that had to have it's
sectors reallocated before. When any of my hard drives were failing in
the past (never been a Maxtor), I would run the manufacturer's
diagnostics and it would then not pass. I would get an RMA. Besides,
with this hard drive I first began suspecting something wasn't right by
noticing some performance issues and corruption of files.

I will see if I can get it an RMA for it.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:46 pm
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Sam <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5lb98fF6mgoqU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Sam <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My Maxtor 6L250R0, only a couple years old now is showing a yellow
>>> highlighted bar for the Reallocated Sector count in HD Tune. The
>>> values are below:
>>
>>> Should I be concerned?
>>
>> Not if that number doesnt increase.
>
> So just watch these two values?
>
> (05) Reallocated Sector Count 253 253 63 1
> (C5) Current Pending Sector 253 253 0 0

Yep.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:46 pm
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:17:12 GMT, "Sam" <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

>
>"Andre Majorel" <cheney RemoveThis @halliburton.com> wrote in message
>news:slrnff0qmd.4cq.cheney@atc5.vermine.org...
>: On 2007-09-18, Sam <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>:
>: > My Maxtor 6L250R0, only a couple years old now is showing a
>: > yellow highlighted bar for the Reallocated Sector count in HD
>: > Tune. The values are below:
>: >
>: > Should I be concerned?
>: >
>: > ID Current Worst ThresholdData
>: > Status
>: >
>: > (05) Reallocated Sector Count 253 253 63 1
>: > (C5) Current Pending Sector 253 253 0 0
>:
>: Looking at just these two, your disk has exactly one bad sector.
>: No need to worry.
>
>Bad sector already? WTF? Is it RMAble. Obviously, reformatting won't
>fix it just block the writing at the bad sector?

Hard discs have always shipped with bad sectors. It's in the nature of
the technology.

In the early days of 10MB and 20MB HDs, drives were shipped with a bad
block map on a sticker. The idea was that these bad blocks had to be
re-entered by the user whenever he/she performed a low level format.
These days the bad blocks are detected during manufacturing and
managed internally by the drive's controller.

- Franc Zabkar
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:45 am
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Previously Sam <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive:
> "Arno Wagner" <me.DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:5lc38eF7en8iU1@mid.individual.net...
> :
> : As to "WTF": Simple, you do not understand disk technology....

> Perhaps, but I have never had new hard drive that had to have it's
> sectors reallocated before. When any of my hard drives were failing in
> the past (never been a Maxtor), I would run the manufacturer's
> diagnostics and it would then not pass. I would get an RMA. Besides,
> with this hard drive I first began suspecting something wasn't right by
> noticing some performance issues and corruption of files.

Well, the performance drop _is_ a concern. The SMART data is
mot. {ersonally I suspect that some manufacturers simply lie
about small reallocated sector numbers, if the disk managed
to salvage the data.

> I will see if I can get it an RMA for it.

Do that. Web wiorks best for Maxtor, but you need to be
creative with the RMA reason, if you do not have a failed SMART
status or the SMART selftest fails.

Arno
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:45 pm
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Sam wrote in news:SUdIi.9123$A55.3764@pd7urf2no
> X-No-Archive:
> "Arno Wagner" <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message news:5lc38eF7en8iU1@mid.individual.net...
> >
> > As to "WTF": Simple, you do not understand disk technology....
>
> Perhaps, but I have never had new hard drive that had to have it's
> sectors reallocated before. When any of my hard drives were failing in
> the past (never been a Maxtor), I would run the manufacturer's
> diagnostics and it would then not pass. I would get an RMA.

> Besides, with this hard drive I first began suspecting something wasn't
> right by noticing some performance issues and corruption of files.

Which obviously has nothing whatsoever to do with the high
"Ultra DMA CRC Error Count".

The babblebots not having a clue, as always.

>
> I will see if I can get it an RMA for it.
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