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Jethro

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:52 pm
Post subject: Need Help With Installing HP 950 PSC AllInOne

Wouldn't you know it!

I have a HP 950 PSC AllInOne (Print/Scan/Fax) that I want to install
on a new machine with WXP SP2.

I can't find the CD that came with it. I've looked & looked.

I tried DriverGuide.com, but all they seem to have are print-drivers
for this printer under the various OS's.

I tried one of the drivers, and it worked just fine for setting the
950 up as a printer.

Now how do I set it up for scanning (I don't need the fax)? As I
recall, the missing CD disk had all that software plus more I think.

HP has discontinued the printer, and I could find no way to get a
replacement disk.

So - I can't use the 950 as a scanner. Can anyone tell me how to
solve this dilemma?

Thanks

Jethro

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:14 pm
Post subject: Need Help Correcting Pool of Printer Names [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I am re-creating my two machine LAN, both WXP SP2.

I want my three printers all connected to one, and used by both
machines. When I 'add new printers' on the second (remote) machine I
notice that the choices include the 'share-name' I want, which has
worked fine except for one printer, but the pool of available choices
include a whole lot of names from earlier setups over the past two
years. Those choices are of no use any more, and in fact their
'share-names' are no longer valid. How do I remove all the obsolete
choices now? I could find no way.

While I am asking, the one printer that I can not seem to use remotely
is a Konica 1350W Laser. Is that printer unique is some way that
precludes sharing? The printer works fine when printing from the
machine to which it is connected, but not from the second machine.

Thanks

Jethro

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Barry Watzman

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:17 pm
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Drivers for all HP products can be downloaded from the HP web site. You
won't get "value added software" (generally that means 3rd party OCR
software), but you will get full functionality, including the scanner.


Jethro wrote:
> Wouldn't you know it!
>
> I have a HP 950 PSC AllInOne (Print/Scan/Fax) that I want to install
> on a new machine with WXP SP2.
>
> I can't find the CD that came with it. I've looked & looked.
>
> I tried DriverGuide.com, but all they seem to have are print-drivers
> for this printer under the various OS's.
>
> I tried one of the drivers, and it worked just fine for setting the
> 950 up as a printer.
>
> Now how do I set it up for scanning (I don't need the fax)? As I
> recall, the missing CD disk had all that software plus more I think.
>
> HP has discontinued the printer, and I could find no way to get a
> replacement disk.
>
> So - I can't use the 950 as a scanner. Can anyone tell me how to
> solve this dilemma?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jethro
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ElJerid

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:01 pm
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"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM.RemoveThis@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:468a7695$0$14970$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Drivers for all HP products can be downloaded from the HP web site. You
> won't get "value added software" (generally that means 3rd party OCR
> software), but you will get full functionality, including the scanner.
>
>
> Jethro wrote:
>> Wouldn't you know it!
>>
>> I have a HP 950 PSC AllInOne (Print/Scan/Fax) that I want to install
>> on a new machine with WXP SP2.
>>
>> I can't find the CD that came with it. I've looked & looked.
>>
>> I tried DriverGuide.com, but all they seem to have are print-drivers
>> for this printer under the various OS's.
>>
>> I tried one of the drivers, and it worked just fine for setting the
>> 950 up as a printer. Now how do I set it up for scanning (I don't need
>> the fax)? As I
>> recall, the missing CD disk had all that software plus more I think.
>>
>> HP has discontinued the printer, and I could find no way to get a
>> replacement disk.
>>
>> So - I can't use the 950 as a scanner. Can anyone tell me how to
>> solve this dilemma?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jethro

There will however remain a problem!
After downloading the software package from HP support website, jethro will
probably be unable to install the softwrare and will receive an error
message like "installer detected that the PSC950 is already installed".
I had this problem and could not find a way to overcome the error. I
involved HP support and after 2 months of phone calls, mails, online chatt
and escalations, the conclusion and advice of the "factory expert" was that
I had to reinstall Windows!!!
It looks like nobody at HP knows where the check routine for previous
install (other drivers, Windows default drivers, old HP drivers) is located
or how to disable it.
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kony

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:01 pm
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:29:22 GMT, "ElJerid"
<s.vanderhaeghen DeleteThis @pandora.be> wrote:


>There will however remain a problem!
>After downloading the software package from HP support website, jethro will
>probably be unable to install the softwrare and will receive an error
>message like "installer detected that the PSC950 is already installed".
>I had this problem and could not find a way to overcome the error. I
>involved HP support and after 2 months of phone calls, mails, online chatt
>and escalations, the conclusion and advice of the "factory expert" was that
>I had to reinstall Windows!!!
>It looks like nobody at HP knows where the check routine for previous
>install (other drivers, Windows default drivers, old HP drivers) is located
>or how to disable it.
>

I don't know for certain but would suspect you first need to
install the software before plugging in the printer. If it
had been plugged in already, you might be able to remove
entries from Device Manager, otherwise you are left hunting
down associated enumerated device entries in the registry.
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Barry Watzman

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:06 pm
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There is an "uninstall" tool for many printer models (not necessarily
all) so that you can start over clean.

However, in his case I thought he said it was a new XP machine.


kony wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:29:22 GMT, "ElJerid"
> <s.vanderhaeghen DeleteThis @pandora.be> wrote:
>
>
>> There will however remain a problem!
>> After downloading the software package from HP support website, jethro will
>> probably be unable to install the softwrare and will receive an error
>> message like "installer detected that the PSC950 is already installed".
>> I had this problem and could not find a way to overcome the error. I
>> involved HP support and after 2 months of phone calls, mails, online chatt
>> and escalations, the conclusion and advice of the "factory expert" was that
>> I had to reinstall Windows!!!
>> It looks like nobody at HP knows where the check routine for previous
>> install (other drivers, Windows default drivers, old HP drivers) is located
>> or how to disable it.
>>
>
> I don't know for certain but would suspect you first need to
> install the software before plugging in the printer. If it
> had been plugged in already, you might be able to remove
> entries from Device Manager, otherwise you are left hunting
> down associated enumerated device entries in the registry.
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ElJerid

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:00 am
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"kony" <spam.TakeThisOut@spam.com> wrote in message
news:4qkl8316f3nofe3o4uc72j98vc70pmh6ei@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:29:22 GMT, "ElJerid"
> <s.vanderhaeghen.TakeThisOut@pandora.be> wrote:
>
>
>>There will however remain a problem!
>>After downloading the software package from HP support website, jethro
>>will
>>probably be unable to install the softwrare and will receive an error
>>message like "installer detected that the PSC950 is already installed".
>>I had this problem and could not find a way to overcome the error. I
>>involved HP support and after 2 months of phone calls, mails, online chatt
>>and escalations, the conclusion and advice of the "factory expert" was
>>that
>>I had to reinstall Windows!!!
>>It looks like nobody at HP knows where the check routine for previous
>>install (other drivers, Windows default drivers, old HP drivers) is
>>located
>>or how to disable it.
>>
>
> I don't know for certain but would suspect you first need to
> install the software before plugging in the printer. If it
> had been plugged in already, you might be able to remove
> entries from Device Manager, otherwise you are left hunting
> down associated enumerated device entries in the registry.

Yes, you' re right. But what happened is that for some reason, an old
software version had been installed and it appeared to be impossible to
completely remove it, nor by cleaning the registry, nor by removing in
Device Manager, nor by uninstalling it the traditional way, nor by running a
special uninstall utility provided by HP, nor after hours and hours of HP's
support.
And guess, I finally reinstalled Windows XP, which was finally faster than
to continue investigating where that damn information of existing
installation was located.
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Airman Thunderbird1

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:57 pm
Post subject: Re: HP Removed Drivers [Login to view extended thread Info.]

My old, we talking old, 7700 series laptop's still supported, with OSes
from 3.1 to 2000. Maybe just printers, or maybe they just ain't got
'round to dumping everything yet.

Quote from HP:
" Microsoft discontinued Windows 98/ME shipments in June 2002/2003
respectively.
HP’s Windows 98/ME driver discontinuance is directly related to the
fact that there is no longer Microsoft resources allocated to issue
management."

Don't know why they couldn't have left the old stuff available for
download, though.



Barry Watzman wrote:
> Did anyone notice that on July 1st, HP removed ALL drivers for any OS'
> before Windows 2000? You can no longer get drivers for any NT or 9x
> systems, even ones which were posted online as of 6/30. You also cannot
> any longer order CDs with these drivers. Either you have the driver
> already (on CD or saved download), or you know someone else who has it,
> or you are screwed. This was applicable to ALL HP products, across the
> board, not just printers.
>
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:36 pm
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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:37:00 -0700, measekite
<inkystinky DeleteThis @oem.com> wrote:

>
>
>Barry Watzman wrote:
>> Did anyone notice that on July 1st, HP removed ALL drivers for any OS'
>> before Windows 2000? You can no longer get drivers for any NT or 9x
>> systems, even ones which were posted online as of 6/30. You also
>> cannot any longer order CDs with these drivers. Either you have the
>> driver already (on CD or saved download), or you know someone else who
>> has it, or you are screwed. This was applicable to ALL HP products,
>> across the board, not just printers.
>
>While that is unfortunate, nobody should be using those archaic
>operating systems anyway. If your computer cannot at least support W2K
>then is it a piece of trash and ready to be sent overseas.
>>


Don't be an idiot.

Not everyone, not every system needs to encode HD video or
game at 200 FPS. For example there are lots of businesses
out there running legacy software because it would cost many
thousands of dollars to switch (merely on your say-so, since
they'd have already switched if present systems/OS weren't
getting the job done). The only real factor might be the
age of the hardware as it related to reliability, so people
will buy newer systems and chuck WinXP or Vista to run the
same thing they were already.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:34 pm
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kony wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:37:00 -0700, measekite
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Barry Watzman wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Did anyone notice that on July 1st, HP removed ALL drivers for any OS'
before Windows 2000? You can no longer get drivers for any NT or 9x
systems, even ones which were posted online as of 6/30. You also
cannot any longer order CDs with these drivers. Either you have the
driver already (on CD or saved download), or you know someone else who
has it, or you are screwed. This was applicable to ALL HP products,
across the board, not just printers.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">While that is unfortunate, nobody should be using those archaic
operating systems anyway. If your computer cannot at least support W2K
then is it a piece of trash and ready to be sent overseas.
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Don't be an idiot.

Not everyone, not every system needs to encode HD video or
game at 200 FPS. For example there are lots of businesses
out there running legacy software because it would cost many
thousands of dollars to switch (merely on your say-so, since
they'd have already switched if present systems/OS weren't
getting the job done). The only real factor might be the
age of the hardware as it related to reliability, so people
will buy newer systems and chuck WinXP or Vista to run the
same thing they were already.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
Properly run businesses do not run W98.  It is not and never really was
stable.  And they certainly do not run games.  And if they need to run
legacy software that old they are at a competitive disadvantge.<br>
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Barry Watzman

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:39 am
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It's more than printers, scanners and MFP devices have had their drivers
removed. But I'm not sure about computers that originally came with 9x
(and could not reasonably be upgraded).


Airman Thunderbird wrote:
> My old, we talking old, 7700 series laptop's still supported, with OSes
> from 3.1 to 2000. Maybe just printers, or maybe they just ain't got
> 'round to dumping everything yet.
>
> Quote from HP:
> " Microsoft discontinued Windows 98/ME shipments in June 2002/2003
> respectively.
> HP’s Windows 98/ME driver discontinuance is directly related to the
> fact that there is no longer Microsoft resources allocated to issue
> management."
>
> Don't know why they couldn't have left the old stuff available for
> download, though.
>
>
>
> Barry Watzman wrote:
>> Did anyone notice that on July 1st, HP removed ALL drivers for any OS'
>> before Windows 2000? You can no longer get drivers for any NT or 9x
>> systems, even ones which were posted online as of 6/30. You also
>> cannot any longer order CDs with these drivers. Either you have the
>> driver already (on CD or saved download), or you know someone else who
>> has it, or you are screwed. This was applicable to ALL HP products,
>> across the board, not just printers.
>>
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kony

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:03 am
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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:34:09 -0700, measekite
<inkystinky RemoveThis @oem.com> wrote:


>Don't be an idiot.
>
>Not everyone, not every system needs to encode HD video or
>game at 200 FPS. For example there are lots of businesses
>out there running legacy software because it would cost many
>thousands of dollars to switch (merely on your say-so, since
>they'd have already switched if present systems/OS weren't
>getting the job done). The only real factor might be the
>age of the hardware as it related to reliability, so people
>will buy newer systems and chuck WinXP or Vista to run the
>same thing they were already.
> </pre>
></blockquote>
><br>
>Properly run businesses do not run W98.  It is not and never really was
>stable.  And they certainly do not run games.  And if they need to run
>legacy software that old they are at a competitive disadvantge.<br>
></body>
></html>

Again you show ignorance. You are thinking only about some
limited general-purpose desktop office machine.

Win98 is not so instable for a mission-specific system used
in production, where it is:

1) Not trying to run everything and the kitchen sink, it is
doing one job.

2) That one job is coded to be at least stable enough to
run for a few days, not everything has to run for 5 years
between reboots, particulary when a reboot can be scheduled
every few weeks, versus dozens of thousands of dollars cost
to switch.

3) Games. LOL. The world does not revolve around games.
I am a gamer, and accept anyone who chooses to equip a
system to do so, has every right... but that's not a reason
to reject a system which suits it's intended purpose fine
because _you_ arbitrarily think it should instead suit some
other subjective purpose.

4) If it ain't broke don't fix it. Like I wrote already,
if these systems were having problems in their actual use,
they'd have been replaced already.
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Arthur Entlich

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:56 am
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Is it possible they are reconstructing the website and moving things
around? You might want to send HP a little note and see if they can
tell you what's going on. Also, if they did intend to remove it
permanently, maybe if people indicate the need, they will return it.


Art


Barry Watzman wrote:
> Did anyone notice that on July 1st, HP removed ALL drivers for any OS'
> before Windows 2000? You can no longer get drivers for any NT or 9x
> systems, even ones which were posted online as of 6/30. You also cannot
> any longer order CDs with these drivers. Either you have the driver
> already (on CD or saved download), or you know someone else who has it,
> or you are screwed. This was applicable to ALL HP products, across the
> board, not just printers.
>
>
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:01 am
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In article <46930da3$0$8027$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Barry Watzman <WatzmanNOSPAM.TakeThisOut@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>It's more than printers, scanners and MFP devices have had their drivers
>removed. But I'm not sure about computers that originally came with 9x
>(and could not reasonably be upgraded).
>
>

I wouldnt have such a problem with it if HP would turn around and write
proper XP and vista drivers for all of the legacy products they just
shitcanned.


>Airman Thunderbird wrote:
>> My old, we talking old, 7700 series laptop's still supported, with OSes
>> from 3.1 to 2000. Maybe just printers, or maybe they just ain't got
>> 'round to dumping everything yet.
>>
>> Quote from HP:
>> " Microsoft discontinued Windows 98/ME shipments in June 2002/2003
>> respectively.
>> HP’s Windows 98/ME driver discontinuance is directly related to the
>> fact that there is no longer Microsoft resources allocated to issue
>> management."
>>
>> Don't know why they couldn't have left the old stuff available for
>> download, though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Barry Watzman wrote:
>>> Did anyone notice that on July 1st, HP removed ALL drivers for any OS'
>>> before Windows 2000? You can no longer get drivers for any NT or 9x
>>> systems, even ones which were posted online as of 6/30. You also
>>> cannot any longer order CDs with these drivers. Either you have the
>>> driver already (on CD or saved download), or you know someone else who
>>> has it, or you are screwed. This was applicable to ALL HP products,
>>> across the board, not just printers.
>>>
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:56 pm
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I recently made several postings regarding the removal of printer and
other drivers from the HP website, in which I referred to HP's actions
in some strongly worded negative terms based upon my misguided belief
that this decision was of their own doing.

Further, in the same threads I indicated that Microsoft had no
responsibility in this matter, and should not be held in any manner
responsible.

At the time I wrote those postings, I thought the information I wrote
was an accurate portrayal of events.

I recently received some "clarity" on this matter. I place the word
clarity in quotes, because things are less than clear, and less than
black and white, but I still need to retract my earlier statements on
both sides, and apologize for targeting and maligning HP unfairly.

Apparently, there is a strong Microsoft connection in this matter. As I
understand what was explained to me, now that Microsoft has withdrawn
all support for Windows 98 and ME, any code that they own which was
incorporated into 3rd party product is also without support. Part of
the agreement MS has with 3rd party vendors is that once a MS product is
no longer supported their code can no longer be distributed.
Microsoft's reasoning is apparently that if their code continues to be
distributed, there is an implication that they will stand behind it, and
take responsibility to correct and update it should issues develop.
There may also be legal liability issues involved.

Now, here's where it gets more complicated. There are apparently
several methods of creating printer and other drivers, and each company
can choose to use the method they prefer. One method is to have the
drivers call to different sub-programs already provided in the operating
system. By doing so, the driver remains a "pure" product of the 3rd
party vendor. Another method is to include certain parts of the OS code
within the driver. I am not technically knowledgeable enough to weight
in on the advantages and disadvantages of each method.

At this point, I must speculate, because of yet I have not received an
answer, but it is likely HP used the later method with their printer
drivers, that being, they included some Microsoft driver components
within their drivers. Again, I must speculate, because I have been
unable to get a exact answer to date, but it is likely that HP's
agreement/license with Microsoft on the use of this code doesn't allow
them to continue to distribute it once it is no longer supported by
Microsoft.

So, to try to clarify, no one is required to use MS code directly in a
driver. Instead, the driver can call to the internal code within the
operating system, and some companies will have written their drivers in
this fashion. Others, who did incorporate the MS code within their
driver may not be allowed under license to continue to distribute their
drivers as they stand, due to MS not allowing distribution of
non-supported components from their OSs.

WHAT ARE THE MECHANISMS BEHIND THIS:

There are a LOT of issues here, and it is not easy to determine who can
or should take responsibility in this matter.

We do not yet know if HP did use the MS code in their drivers, but it is
likely they have under the current circumstances. If they did, one
question is if they were aware or could they have predicted that using
the code within their drivers would eventually lead to this problem.

Other questions are: Is HP correctly interpreting their agreement and
licensing with MS, and do they have to remove the drivers from
distribution as they stand as a result?

Could or would HP consider recoding their drivers to remove those
offending parts?

If HP pulled the drivers because of the MS redistribution agreement,
could MS change their policy and wording in the agreement/license to
allow the code to be used with a clear understanding that the code
stands without any MS support. After all, these are legacy products
which should have been bug-fixed some time ago, and new problems would
likely be a result of introduction of other products' updates, which
neither MS or HP should be held responsible for.

Is it legal for another website to hold and distribute these drivers?
(I imagine, strictly speaking, that it would violate several copyrights).

It seems to me that this is a matter that needs to be resolved so that
millions of pieces of equipment that are otherwise usable could continue
to be used, sold, or redistributed in such a manner that drivers would
be accessible when needed. At a time when we are continually being
reminded of global climate change and resource limitations, people
should be encouraged to use older equipment as long as possible, and
this goes against that ethic.

CALL TO ACTION:

If people care about this matter, and people should, because this is the
thin edge of the wedge, because there are new OSs coming down the road
and others will become unsupported over time, if this matter is ignored
now, it will become an established precedence and could even be
manipulated to design more obsolecense in an industry which already has
a poor record in this area.

Both HP and MS need to be told this is not acceptable. HP needs to make
sure they are writing drivers that they have full ownership of, so they
can be responsible for their distribution without secondary licensing.
We, as purchasers, should have the right to know if such drivers contain
code that is not within the vendors ownership and control. HP is not
totally without responsibility in this matter and as such, they should
be told so by owners of their products. They are a major partner with
MS, and they can also exert pressure to make changes in the agreement.

We need to let MS know that this is not acceptable. It is
understandable that at a certain point they may no longer support an OS,
and it is bad enough that new OSs break drivers and manufacturers often
do not issue new drivers to allow for upgrade, but now we are losing
access to the old drivers being used on older OSs, as well. Win (*
particularly, and to a lesser extent Win ME, and certainly Win 2000 are
still heavily in use throughout the world. MS needs to rewrite the
redistribution agreement to allow for their code that is integrated into
drivers to continue to be used for redistribution in an non-warranted
and without liability fashion.

I will do some research over the next several days to find the proper
contacts for directing comments and concerns within HP and MS about
these matters. If people become aware of other peripherals of other
brands which are suffering the same fate, please email me me privately
about them.

I can be reached at:

e-printerhelp(at)mvps(dot)org

(at) = @
(dot) = .

Thanks.

Art
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