Intel P4 3.4 GHz Prescott core temperature issues

<axinar RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message...
 > Yep ... couple of weeks ago I picked up a Powerspec 9262 which
 > has the P4 3.4GHz Prescott core CPU on an Intel motherboard.

That's a shame.

 > The chip idles between 48 and 56C or so, but when I do DVD renders
 > the beastie rises into the mid 70's C and stays there for the better part
 > of two hours.

Not atypical behaviour for a system of the sort you've got.

 > Now, I understand this beast has thermal throttles and whatnot, but has
 > anyone ever treadmilled one of these beasts?

Treadmilled? Eh? Difficult putting a CPU on a treadmill, as CPU's are
inanimate objects and can't run. If you're referring to the term in a
figurative rather than literal sense, yes, it's a fair bet that Intel did a
fair bit of testing before they unleashed these things on an unsuspecting
public. One presumes your system vendor also did a certain amount of
checking that the thermal solution would be up to the job.

 > How soon can I expect it to smoke,

Eh? What makes you think it will "smoke"? Provided you run it in accordance
with the system builder's instructions there's no reason to think it won't
carry on working for the foreseeable future. Your experience is neither
unusual nor an immediate cause for concern. Prescotts run hot. It's not
desirable or helpful, but it is a fact.

 > and when it does smoke will the CPU just blow or what all
 > will it take with it?

It won't expire, the onboard thermal throttling will prevent it doing so.
However, if the system is running so hot that the throttling is kicking in,
you're losing performance and that's a definite bad thing. You paid for a
3.4GHz system so that's what you should get - not one that only gives you
that level of performance a certain percentage of the time.

If your new computer is throwing off overheat alarms, I'd suggest (obviously
depending on how bad/frequent they are) returning it on the grounds that
it's faulty, or requesting the vendor improve the thermal solution.
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"Richard Hopkins" <richh DeleteThis @dsl.nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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 > <axinar DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message...
  > > Yep ... couple of weeks ago I picked up a Powerspec 9262 which
  > > has the P4 3.4GHz Prescott core CPU on an Intel motherboard.
 >
 > That's a shame.
 >
  > > The chip idles between 48 and 56C or so, but when I do DVD renders
  > > the beastie rises into the mid 70's C and stays there for the better
part
  > > of two hours.
 >
 > Not atypical behaviour for a system of the sort you've got.
 >
  > > Now, I understand this beast has thermal throttles and whatnot, but has
  > > anyone ever treadmilled one of these beasts?
 >
 > Treadmilled? Eh? Difficult putting a CPU on a treadmill, as CPU's are
 > inanimate objects and can't run. If you're referring to the term in a
 > figurative rather than literal sense, yes, it's a fair bet that Intel did
a
 > fair bit of testing before they unleashed these things on an unsuspecting
 > public. One presumes your system vendor also did a certain amount of
 > checking that the thermal solution would be up to the job.
 >
  > > How soon can I expect it to smoke,
 >
 > Eh? What makes you think it will "smoke"? Provided you run it in
accordance
 > with the system builder's instructions there's no reason to think it won't
 > carry on working for the foreseeable future. Your experience is neither
 > unusual nor an immediate cause for concern. Prescotts run hot. It's not
 > desirable or helpful, but it is a fact.
 >
  > > and when it does smoke will the CPU just blow or what all
  > > will it take with it?
 >
 > It won't expire, the onboard thermal throttling will prevent it doing so.
 > However, if the system is running so hot that the throttling is kicking
in,
 > you're losing performance and that's a definite bad thing. You paid for a
 > 3.4GHz system so that's what you should get - not one that only gives you
 > that level of performance a certain percentage of the time.
 >
 > If your new computer is throwing off overheat alarms, I'd suggest
(obviously
 > depending on how bad/frequent they are) returning it on the grounds that
 > it's faulty, or requesting the vendor improve the thermal solution.
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 >
 > Richard Hopkins
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You know, the Prescott CPU only takes about 2 Watts more then each of my
Xeon's?
I only have a good idea what my cpu's are running, somewhere around the 30's
of so.
Maybe mid 30ºc's somewhere.
Up around upper 40's under heavy load.

Hmm, I don't get that. The Prescott is 79 Watts, the Xeon is 77 Watts.
Does some1 want to tell me why something that runs 79 Watts runs so hot?


Oh, well of course, it's the smaller core size.

What ever...
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 > Howdy, all ...
 >
 > Yep ... couple of weeks ago I picked up a Powerspec 9262 which has the
 > P4 3.4GHz Prescott core CPU on an Intel motherboard.
 >
 > Well, I started running across the various heat issues messages and
 > downloaded the system monitor software from Intel.
 >
 > The chip idles between 48 and 56C or so, but when I do DVD renders the
 > beastie rises into the mid 70's C and stays there for the better part
 > of two hours.
 >
 > The case fan kicks up from 1600 RPM's to about 3200 and the CPU temp
 > bounces around the mid 70's and the other motherboard area sensors
 > hover just below 50C.
 >
 > Now, I understand this beast has thermal throttles and whatnot, but has
 > anyone ever treadmilled one of these beasts? How soon can I expect it
 > to smoke, and when it does smoke will the CPU just blow or what all
 > will it take with it?
 >
 > Thanks!
 >
 > Ax
 >

Prescott core CPU are usualny wery hot
Temperature about 70*C is normal for that kind of CPU. The 3,4GHz are usualy
from D0 series. So with god cooling you can get very nice O/C.
On water you can get about 4,3 - 4,4 GHz and on phase changing unit you can
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No_ONE_Here wrote:
 > Hmm, I don't get that. The Prescott is 79 Watts, the Xeon is 77 Watts.
 > Does some1 want to tell me why something that runs 79 Watts runs so
 > hot?

These are numbers for systems with a Radeon 7000:
P4 3.2E GHz (Prescott) 114 (idle) 192 (load)
P4 3.2 GHz (Northwood) 76.5 (idle) 144 (load)
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,39145079-2,00.htm" target="_blank">http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,391450...2,00.ht</a>

Meaning, the Prescott uses 48 Watts more than a Northwood at the same speed.
The Northwood uses 89 Watts.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?articleid=201&catid=1" target="_blank">http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?articleid=201&catid=1</a>
So, the power usage will be around 130 Watts, alot more than your Xeon, and
that through a smaller footprint, because of the .09 micron process...

THAT is why it's a bit hard to cool...

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"Thomas" <thomas_ DeleteThis @lycos.nl> wrote in message
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 > No_ONE_Here wrote:
  > > Hmm, I don't get that. The Prescott is 79 Watts, the Xeon is 77 Watts.
  > > Does some1 want to tell me why something that runs 79 Watts runs so
  > > hot?
 >
 > These are numbers for systems with a Radeon 7000:
 > P4 3.2E GHz (Prescott) 114 (idle) 192 (load)
 > P4 3.2 GHz (Northwood) 76.5 (idle) 144 (load)
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,39145079-2,00.htm" target="_blank">http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,391450...2,00.ht</a>
 >
 > Meaning, the Prescott uses 48 Watts more than a Northwood at the same
speed.
 > The Northwood uses 89 Watts.
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 > So, the power usage will be around 130 Watts, alot more than your Xeon,
and
 > that through a smaller footprint, because of the .09 micron process...
Though it's an old thread, dah, oops. I goofed, I was looking at the 2.6 GHz
I think.
Huh? What the heck was I looking @, there don't seem to be a Prescott that
uses less
then 84 Watts.
BTW. I just called Intel, they are not scrapping the Prescott.
They are Scrapping the 478 Pin.
I also asked about a 4 GHz LGA Prescott.
"Very possible" is the answer I got.
I'm going to take a guess here, and that is that the 4GHz LGA Prescott is
already at prototype stage.
 >
 > THAT is why it's a bit hard to cool...
 >
 > Thomas
 >
 >
 >
 >
Intel's roadmap.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.intel.com/products/roadmap/index.htm" target="_blank">http://www.intel.com/products/roadmap/index.htm</a>

478 mPGA is almost done, not (Prescott)
And it has had a long life to it too.
If any1 has more info, please share it..
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"Dennis E Strausser Jr" <dstrausser33.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> "wrote"...
 > BTW. I just called Intel,

Oh yeah? Who did you call, on what number, and what is the name of the
person you spoke to? I have the funny feeling you're telling lies. An idiot
*and* a liar, what next?

 > they are not scrapping the Prescott.

Lol, not this again. Just how stupid are you Dennis?

They've stopped developing Prescott, they've stopped developing Tejas, and
they're stopping making Prescott as soon as they have a viable replacement.

 > I also asked about a 4 GHz LGA Prescott.
 > "Very possible" is the answer I got.

Ha ha, you're too funny. Telling fairy stories is not likely to convince
anyone that you're not full of it.
4GHz Prescott is not happening Dennis. The men who run Intel have said so.

 > Intel's roadmap.
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.intel.com/products/roadmap/index.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.intel.com/products/roadmap/index.htm</font</a>>

What's your point Dennis? There's no mention of the mythical 4GHz chip
there. Come to mention it, there's no mention of the 600 series, 2MB cache
CPU's either.

 > If any1 has more info, please share it..
 > Denny.

Try this:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19089" target="_blank">http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19089</a>

Or this:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/14/intel_kills_4gh/" target="_blank">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/14/intel_kills_4gh/</a>

Wanker.
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