Welcome to PCForumz.com!
FAQFAQ    SearchSearch      ProfileProfile    Private MessagesPrivate Messages   Log inLog in

IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top?

 
   Hardware Problem Solving Community! (Home) -> Overclocking RSS
Next:  p2-99 with PIII450Mhz  
Author Message
Wayne Youngman1

External


Since: Mar 14, 2004
Posts: 163



(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:52 pm
Post subject: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top?
Archived from groups: alt>comp>hardware>overclocking (more info?)

Hi,

having just installed my first P4, there is something I wasn't sure of.
What is that little black hole on the upper surface of the CPU?. I was
worried about getting any AS/3 into it when I was applying the thermal goo.
.. .

thanks,
--
Wayne ][
<Sign on door reads: Please Do No Disturb! Pentium 4 assembly in progress!>

 >> Stay informed about: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top? 
Back to top
Login to vote
David Maynard

External


Since: Aug 11, 2004
Posts: 1420



(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:52 pm
Post subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Intel=AE_Pentium=AE_4_-_Little_Blac?= [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Wayne Youngman wrote:

 > Hi,
 >
 > having just installed my first P4, there is something I wasn't sure of.
 > What is that little black hole on the upper surface of the CPU?. I was
 > worried about getting any AS/3 into it when I was applying the thermal goo.
 > . .
 >
 > thanks,

To let the air and potentially excess goo out when they slap the lid on the
package.

 >> Stay informed about: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top? 
Back to top
Login to vote
Fishface

External


Since: Sep 29, 2003
Posts: 192



(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:25 pm
Post subject: Re: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

David Maynard wrote:
 > To let the air and potentially excess goo out when they
 > slap the lid on the package.

And to vent warp plasma?
 >> Stay informed about: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top? 
Back to top
Login to vote
Quixote

External


Since: Sep 28, 2003
Posts: 19



(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:47 pm
Post subject: Re: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Wayne Youngman" wrote in message

 > Hi,
 >
 > having just installed my first P4, there is something I wasn't sure of.
 > What is that little black hole on the upper surface of the CPU?. I was
 > worried about getting any AS/3 into it when I was applying the thermal
goo.
 > . .
 >
 > thanks,

A short way down the page:

<a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://tech-report.com/reviews/2001q1/pentium4/index3.x" target="_blank">http://tech-report.com/reviews/2001q1/pentium4/index3.x</a>

Quixote
 >> Stay informed about: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top? 
Back to top
Login to vote
Wayne Youngman1

External


Since: Mar 14, 2004
Posts: 163



(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:20 pm
Post subject: Re: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"David Maynard" wrote
 > To let the air and potentially excess goo out when they slap the lid on
the
 > package.


Hi,
you got me there? care to elaborate?
--
Wayne ][
<Sign on door reads: Please Do No Disturb! Pentium 4 assembly in progress!>
 >> Stay informed about: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top? 
Back to top
Login to vote
Ed Forsythe

External


Since: Feb 29, 2004
Posts: 138



(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:06 am
Post subject: Re: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Intel puts it there to let the smoke out ;-0
--
Tally Ho!
Ed,
Maryland, USA
"Wayne Youngman" wrote in message

 > Hi,
 >
 > having just installed my first P4, there is something I wasn't sure of.
 > What is that little black hole on the upper surface of the CPU?. I was
 > worried about getting any AS/3 into it when I was applying the thermal
goo.
 > . .
 >
 > thanks,
 > --
 > Wayne ][
 > <Sign on door reads: Please Do No Disturb! Pentium 4 assembly in
progress!>
 >
 >
 >> Stay informed about: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top? 
Back to top
Login to vote
David Maynard

External


Since: Aug 11, 2004
Posts: 1420



(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:53 am
Post subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Intel=AE_Pentium=AE_4_-_Little_Blac?= [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Fishface wrote:
 > David Maynard wrote:
 >
  >>To let the air and potentially excess goo out when they
  >>slap the lid on the package.
 >
 >
 > And to vent warp plasma?

Of course. And a dern good thing too because there aren't many things worse
than warp plasma buildup under your heat spreader.
 >> Stay informed about: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top? 
Back to top
Login to vote
Dorothy Bradbury

External


Since: Mar 05, 2004
Posts: 204



(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:33 am
Post subject: Re: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Underneath the cap is usually quite a large splodge of material that
Intel use for both (obvious) conductivity & adhesion to stick it on.

Future caps will probably be different, using an interesting idea
where standoffs are used which ironically reduces hotspots:
o A heatspreader itself has to be well machined to contact the core
---- suffers the same touches-at-3-points as a heatsink to spreader
o Despite this you get hotspots regularly re spreader to core
o Solution is to use 4 or 9 standoffs between spreader & core
---- the standoffs have a thinner layer of adhesive than a spreader
---- gaps between the standoffs have thicker adhesive conversely

Ironically it reduces hot-spots quite considerably, beyond 9 standoffs
the benefit deteriorates rapidly as you tend towards a heatspreader.

It's a cheaper solution than another alternative to hotspots solved by
"wasting" silicon space. For example hot areas in the middle of a die
can conduct heat thro the substrate in 4 directions, those hot areas on
the edge can only conduct in 2 directions - a solution posted is to use
bare silicon (eg, 1mm) to drastically mitigate the W/mm^2 problem.
Sounds easy, but on a wafer you're wasting real-estate and so the
standoff solution might be engineered with the die thermal profile.

So in the future that heatspreader may get even more important.
--
Dorothy Bradbury
 >> Stay informed about: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top? 
Back to top
Login to vote
Phil Weldon

External


Since: Jul 10, 2004
Posts: 158



(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:37 am
Post subject: Re: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

See, it's like building a ship in a bottle. First you get the CPU package,
then you assemble the transistors and conductors with tiny tweezers through
the hole. That's why going to smaller feature sizes make CPU's cheaper!

--
Phil Weldon, pweldonatmindjumpdotcom
For communication,
replace "at" with the 'at sign'
replace "mindjump" with "mindspring."
replace "dot" with "."

"Wayne Youngman" wrote in message

 > Hi,
 >
 > having just installed my first P4, there is something I wasn't sure of.
 > What is that little black hole on the upper surface of the CPU?. I was
 > worried about getting any AS/3 into it when I was applying the thermal
goo.
 > . .
 >
 > thanks,
 > --
 > Wayne ][
 > <Sign on door reads: Please Do No Disturb! Pentium 4 assembly in
progress!>
 >
 >
 >> Stay informed about: IntelŪ PentiumŪ 4 - Little Black Hole on top? 
Back to top
Login to vote
Display posts from previous:   
   Hardware Problem Solving Community! (Home) -> Overclocking All times are: Pacific Time (US & Canada)
Page 1 of 1

 
You can post new topics in this forum
You can reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



[ Contact us | Terms of Service/Privacy Policy ]