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Since: Jun 14, 2006
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(Msg. 31) Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:56 pm
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w_tom wrote:

And still nothing new.

In particular no links to sources that say plug-in sources are NOT
effective.
*Why can't you find any supporting links w_?*

And in particular still no answers:
- Why do the only 2 examples of protection in the IEEE guide use plug-in
suppressors?
- Why does the NIST guide says plug-in suppressors are "the easiest
solution"?
- Why does the IEEE Emerald book include plug-in suppressors as an
effective surge protection device?
- Why did Martzloff say in the “surging” paper "One solution.
illustrated in this paper, is the insertion of a properly designed surge
reference equalizer [multiport plug-in surge suppressor].
- IEEE guide pg 42 - how does the plug-in suppressor made the condition
[8,000V] at the distant TV any worse than if the plug-in suppressor was
not present [10,000V].
*Simple questions - why no answers no w_?*

The IEEE and NIST guides both say plug-in suppressors work.

Bizarre claim - plug-in surge suppressors don't work
No sources that say plug-in suppressors do NOT work.
Twists opposing sources to say the opposite of what they really say -
IEEE, Martzloff.
Attempts to discredit opponents.
w_ is still a purveyor of junk science.


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(Msg. 32) Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:18 pm
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:56:43 -0500, Bud--
<remove.BudNews.TakeThisOut@isp.com> wrote:

>w_tom wrote:
>
>And still nothing new.
>
>In particular no links to sources that say plug-in sources are NOT
>effective.


"They're not effective at preventing all surges."

.... now if you want me to come back and link to this post I
just made, if a "link" is that important...

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:31 pm
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kony wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:56:43 -0500, Bud--
> <remove.BudNews.TakeThisOut@isp.com> wrote:
>
>> w_tom wrote:
>>
>> And still nothing new.
>>
>> In particular no links to sources that say plug-in sources are NOT
>> effective.
>
>
> "They're not effective at preventing all surges."
>
> ... now if you want me to come back and link to this post I
> just made, if a "link" is that important...


w_'s argument is that plug-in suppressors are *never* effective. He has
not provided a link that says that.
I said "NOT effective". I did not say "NOT ALWAYS effective". Your quote
is the latter, sorry, it doesn't qualify.

And as I have said more than once, plug-in suppressors must have
adequate ratings (very high ratings are readily available) and multiport
suppressors are needed when there are external connections. And that
they won't protect against a direct hit (neither will anything else
except lightning rods) or a very near hit.

It is not obvious what you believe because you have never made it clear.

Do you disagree with the IEEE guide? Where? How? Why?

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(Msg. 34) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:15 am
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w_tom wrote:


The same lie and other drivel. w__ believes plug-in suppressors never work.

But still no links to sources that say plug-in sources are NOT effective.
*Maybe there are none w_.*

And no answers to simple questions:
- Why do the only 2 examples of protection in the IEEE guide use plug-in
suppressors?
- Why does the NIST guide says plug-in suppressors are "the easiest
solution"?
- Why does the IEEE Emerald book include plug-in suppressors as an
effective surge protection device?
- Why did Martzloff say in the “surging” paper "One solution.
illustrated in this paper, is the insertion of a properly designed surge
reference equalizer [multiport plug-in surge suppressor].
- IEEE guide pg 42 - how does the plug-in suppressor made the condition
[8,000V] at the distant TV any worse than if the plug-in suppressor was
not present [10,000V].
*Why no answers no w_?*

The IEEE and NIST guides both say plug-in suppressors work.

Bizarre claim - plug-in surge suppressors don't work
No sources that say plug-in suppressors do NOT work.
Twists opposing sources to say the opposite of what they really say -
hanford.
Attempts to discredit opponents.
w_ is a purveyor of junk science.


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(Msg. 35) Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:03 am
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Skeleton Man wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Can anyone reccomend a good product (preferably a power bar or simmilar) to
> protect computer equipment against a lightning strike ? I'm looking for
> something with a connected equipment warranty.. (ie. if my PC goes up in
> smoke while connected to their product, they pay for the replacement)
>
> While I'm at it.. is there any way you can insure just your PC and
> associated equipment ? Insurance on the house itself (even just contents)
> isn't possible right now, but I'd like to have some safeguard.. also, can
> you insure against data loss ? (besides making a backup)
>
> Chris
>
>
When there is a bad thunderstorm I always disconnect the Phone line DSL
or when I had it the regular phone line because I had lightning take out
a modem when I used dial up and a friend of mine had lightning take out
his whole computer so I wouldn't fool with devices but to be safe I
disconnect.
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