Megapixel question

I was thinking about upgrading to a 5mb camera. I only need it to print 4x6
prints. And my Canon s100 at 2mb does a great job with 4x6 pics. The
pictures don't look that good on my laptop but the prints are amazing. I
think it is the lcd screen. I got a laptop about 6 months ago. The
pictures looked much better on my old 19" viewsonic monitor. I would like
to compare a print captured by a 5mb camera to see if it is even worth
upgrading.


"Marvin Margoshes" <physnospamchem RemoveThis @cloud9.net> wrote in message
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 > "Asscrack" <jzurb RemoveThis @charter.net> wrote in message
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  > > Does a 5mb camera take a better 4x6 picture than a 2mb? I always
thought
  > > the more megabytes the larger the prints it can produce.
  > >
 >
 > There is a limit to the amount of detail a photographic print can show.
It
 > is usually at about 250 ppi. With 5 Mp compared to 2 Mp, you have more
 > latitude for cropping before oyu see any degrading of the quality of a 4X6
 > print.
 >
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:50:06 -0400, "Asscrack" <jzurb.RemoveThis@charter.net>
wrote:

 >Does a 5mb camera take a better 4x6 picture than a 2mb? I always thought
 >the more megabytes the larger the prints it can produce.
 >


No. With current home printing technology anything over about 4
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"Asscrack" <jzurb.TakeThisOut@charter.net> wrote in message
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| I was thinking about upgrading to a 5mb camera. I only need it to print 4x6
| prints. And my Canon s100 at 2mb does a great job with 4x6 pics. The
| pictures don't look that good on my laptop but the prints are amazing. I
| think it is the lcd screen. I got a laptop about 6 months ago. The
| pictures looked much better on my old 19" viewsonic monitor. I would like
| to compare a print captured by a 5mb camera to see if it is even worth
| upgrading.
|

I take pictures at 1024 x 768, when rotated that would be 768 x 1024. So for
best viewing on a monitor, I set the monitor to 1280 x 1024 (to accomodate the
rotated pictures). If I use a 1024 x 768 resolution on the monitor and try to
view a rotated picture that has print matter within the picture, pixels get
dropped on the screen and the writing within the picture can become illegible.

I rarely print, my canvas is my 17" monitor. If I do need to print, I can get
7.50" x 10.00" prints using Irfanview and I am damn happy with the results using
my Canon i960 printer (barring brown muddiness with deep blacks...my printer is
not on a stable shelf).
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Only on your printer.

Think of it this way. With 5 MP over 2 MP you have another 2.5X optical zoom
lens that you can use ***AFTER*** the picture is taken if you decide
***AFTER*** you see the initial results.


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 > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:50:06 -0400, "Asscrack" <jzurb.TakeThisOut@charter.net>
 > wrote:
 >
  > >Does a 5mb camera take a better 4x6 picture than a 2mb? I always thought
  > >the more megabytes the larger the prints it can produce.
  > >
 >
 >
 > No. With current home printing technology anything over about 4
 > megabits doesn't gain you a thing.
 >
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Useful discussion of a question I am posing to myself because I have an
Oly 2020z that gives me superb 4x6s and 8x10s and I keep thinking of a
4000. In terms of cropping with the 2020z, I have always wondered how
much more latitude one can get by using a good sharpening tool. I use
Photoshop Elements and it seems to help. Any thoughts on the value of
these tools with relatively low megapix cameras?


Gymmy Bob wrote:
 > Only on your printer.
 >
 > Think of it this way. With 5 MP over 2 MP you have another 2.5X optical zoom
 > lens that you can use ***AFTER*** the picture is taken if you decide
 > ***AFTER*** you see the initial results.
 >
 >
 > "Hans" <Hans.DeleteThis@spamkiller.com> wrote in message
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  >>On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:50:06 -0400, "Asscrack" <jzurb.DeleteThis@charter.net>
  >>wrote:
  >>
  >>
   >>>Does a 5mb camera take a better 4x6 picture than a 2mb? I always thought
   >>>the more megabytes the larger the prints it can produce.
   >>>
  >>
  >>
  >>No. With current home printing technology anything over about 4
  >>megabits doesn't gain you a thing.
  >>
  >>
 >
 >
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Resolution cannot be increased after the fact


but

How it looks to the human is another thing. Isn't that the important part?

"Ron G" <rgood.TakeThisOut@netzero.com> wrote in message
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 > Useful discussion of a question I am posing to myself because I have an
 > Oly 2020z that gives me superb 4x6s and 8x10s and I keep thinking of a
 > 4000. In terms of cropping with the 2020z, I have always wondered how
 > much more latitude one can get by using a good sharpening tool. I use
 > Photoshop Elements and it seems to help. Any thoughts on the value of
 > these tools with relatively low megapix cameras?
 >
 >
 > Gymmy Bob wrote:
  > > Only on your printer.
  > >
  > > Think of it this way. With 5 MP over 2 MP you have another 2.5X optical
zoom
  > > lens that you can use ***AFTER*** the picture is taken if you decide
  > > ***AFTER*** you see the initial results.
  > >
  > >
  > > "Hans" <Hans.TakeThisOut@spamkiller.com> wrote in message
  > > news:hsehc09358uhnu71u7fungmg0ektf1hif5@4ax.com...
  > >
   > >>On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:50:06 -0400, "Asscrack" <jzurb.TakeThisOut@charter.net>
   > >>wrote:
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>>Does a 5mb camera take a better 4x6 picture than a 2mb? I always
thought
   > >>>the more megabytes the larger the prints it can produce.
   > >>>
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>No. With current home printing technology anything over about 4
   > >>megabits doesn't gain you a thing.
   > >>
   > >>
  > >
  > >
  > >
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Nice point, eloquently put, but I was simply trying to get some opinion
on the degree to which a good sharpening program can help overcome, very
practical and visible terms, some of the limitations of a camera's
resolution in producing prints of the size I mentioned.

Gymmy Bob wrote:

 >Resolution cannot be increased after the fact
 >
 >
 > but
 >
 > How it looks to the human is another thing. Isn't that the important part?
 >
 >"Ron G" <rgood.DeleteThis@netzero.com> wrote in message
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 >
 >
  >>Useful discussion of a question I am posing to myself because I have an
  >>Oly 2020z that gives me superb 4x6s and 8x10s and I keep thinking of a
  >>4000. In terms of cropping with the 2020z, I have always wondered how
  >>much more latitude one can get by using a good sharpening tool. I use
  >>Photoshop Elements and it seems to help. Any thoughts on the value of
  >>these tools with relatively low megapix cameras?
  >>
  >>
  >>Gymmy Bob wrote:
  >>
  >>
   >>>Only on your printer.
   >>>
   >>>Think of it this way. With 5 MP over 2 MP you have another 2.5X optical
   >>>
   >>>
 >zoom
 >
 >
   >>>lens that you can use ***AFTER*** the picture is taken if you decide
   >>>***AFTER*** you see the initial results.
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>"Hans" <Hans.DeleteThis@spamkiller.com> wrote in message
   >>>news:hsehc09358uhnu71u7fungmg0ektf1hif5@4ax.com...
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:50:06 -0400, "Asscrack" <jzurb.DeleteThis@charter.net>
   >>>>wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>>Does a 5mb camera take a better 4x6 picture than a 2mb? I always
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
 >thought
 >
 >
   >>>>>the more megabytes the larger the prints it can produce.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>No. With current home printing technology anything over about 4
   >>>>megabits doesn't gain you a thing.
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
 >
 >
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I have had 2MPixel pics cropped from horizontal to vertical and ended up
with about 1 MP. Despite all the developers warning I had two of these
printed 11x17" and they look great! The perspective is a little flat, like a
telephoto shot (I guess it's the same thing mathematically) and the clarity
when "eyeballing" the picture up close is not there, like an oil painting of
sorts. This picture contains lots of foliage. It is a garden in Jamaica with
a series of hoops up a mountain stairs.

When I asked the contact person via email if they "blur" the printer dots,
she responded strongly with how they never monkey with the prints and do not
interfere in any way! Well, I thought I was going to get these square
pixelated 11x17" pics back that would have to be displayed as some new photo
effect...LOL When they came I notified the contact that they indeed "blur"
the pixels for printing and that it was a good and necessary thing...LOL


"Ron G" <rgood RemoveThis @netzero.com> wrote in message
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 > Nice point, eloquently put, but I was simply trying to get some opinion
 > on the degree to which a good sharpening program can help overcome, very
 > practical and visible terms, some of the limitations of a camera's
 > resolution in producing prints of the size I mentioned.
 >
 > Gymmy Bob wrote:
 >
  > >Resolution cannot be increased after the fact
  > >
  > >
  > > but
  > >
  > > How it looks to the human is another thing. Isn't that the important
part?
  > >
  > >"Ron G" <rgood RemoveThis @netzero.com> wrote in message
  > >news:10cjhk7ifpmgt63@corp.supernews.com...
  > >
  > >
   > >>Useful discussion of a question I am posing to myself because I have an
   > >>Oly 2020z that gives me superb 4x6s and 8x10s and I keep thinking of a
   > >>4000. In terms of cropping with the 2020z, I have always wondered how
   > >>much more latitude one can get by using a good sharpening tool. I use
   > >>Photoshop Elements and it seems to help. Any thoughts on the value of
   > >>these tools with relatively low megapix cameras?
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>Gymmy Bob wrote:
   > >>
   > >>
   > >>>Only on your printer.
   > >>>
   > >>>Think of it this way. With 5 MP over 2 MP you have another 2.5X optical
   > >>>
   > >>>
  > >zoom
  > >
  > >
   > >>>lens that you can use ***AFTER*** the picture is taken if you decide
   > >>>***AFTER*** you see the initial results.
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>"Hans" <Hans RemoveThis @spamkiller.com> wrote in message
   > >>>news:hsehc09358uhnu71u7fungmg0ektf1hif5@4ax.com...
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>>On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:50:06 -0400, "Asscrack" <jzurb RemoveThis @charter.net>
   > >>>>wrote:
   > >>>>
   > >>>>
   > >>>>
   > >>>>
   > >>>>>Does a 5mb camera take a better 4x6 picture than a 2mb? I always
   > >>>>>
   > >>>>>
  > >thought
  > >
  > >
   > >>>>>the more megabytes the larger the prints it can produce.
   > >>>>>
   > >>>>>
   > >>>>>
   > >>>>No. With current home printing technology anything over about 4
   > >>>>megabits doesn't gain you a thing.
   > >>>>
   > >>>>
   > >>>>
   > >>>>
   > >>>
   > >>>
   > >>>
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
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