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Henry4

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Since: Jan 21, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:39 pm
Post subject: NF7-S USB problems
Archived from groups: alt>comp>periphs>mainboard>abit (more info?)

Hi guys and gals.

I have a new build PC and am p*ssed that the USB thing does not work
properly. Particularly as I had intended to build the PC as basic as
possible and to connect peripherals via USB instead of having them built in.
The PC only has floppy and DVD drive inside the case. Burner, scanner, hub,
card reader, handspring docker, webcam and adsl modem etc are all USB
devices. I have no PCI cards installed

With no other USB devices connected, sometimes when I connect the card
reader (Hama 6 way) it is recognised and the 4 drives appear. I then
disconnect (by pulling the USB plug) and the device goes. If I try and
re-insert, the machine freezes. I can move the mouse but the processor is
100% utilised and I can't do anything. If I remove the reader I sometimes
get BSOD.

Have tried removing all USB hub drivers etc and letting them be re-loaded
but this does not cure.

Have tried disabling serial ports in BIOS to release INTs but no good.

I have another PC with same motherboard and spec but with one stick corsaire
memory 512 and this PC works fine with the same device !

Isn't it about time that USB worked OK. I have seen web postings to say that
'USB operation on Abit mobos is a bit tempremental with some
configurations'. Is that true ? Have I made the wrong choice ?

Any advice or comments will be most welcome.

Hank

Virgo Case

Antec True 430 PSU (mutts nuts)

Corsair 2 x 512, 3200

2700 XP Processor (retail fan)

MSI FX5200 128Mb AGP card (not a gamer !)

No overclocking

DVD

Floppy

Windows XP home retail (mug)

Thomson speedtouch 330 ADSL Modem

Logitech Quickcam Messenger

Belkin 7 port USB hub

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Vanguard

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Since: Mar 13, 2004
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:39 pm
Post subject: Re: NF7-S USB problems [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Henry" said in news:c39ked$qpf$1@hercules.btinternet.com:
 > Hi guys and gals.
 >
 > I have a new build PC and am p*ssed that the USB thing does not work
 > properly. Particularly as I had intended to build the PC as basic as
 > possible and to connect peripherals via USB instead of having them
 > built in. The PC only has floppy and DVD drive inside the case.
 > Burner, scanner, hub, card reader, handspring docker, webcam and adsl
 > modem etc are all USB devices. I have no PCI cards installed
 >
 > With no other USB devices connected, sometimes when I connect the card
 > reader (Hama 6 way) it is recognised and the 4 drives appear. I then
 > disconnect (by pulling the USB plug) and the device goes. If I try and
 > re-insert, the machine freezes. I can move the mouse but the
 > processor is 100% utilised and I can't do anything. If I remove the
 > reader I sometimes get BSOD.
 >
 > Have tried removing all USB hub drivers etc and letting them be
 > re-loaded but this does not cure.
 >
 > Have tried disabling serial ports in BIOS to release INTs but no good.
 >
 > I have another PC with same motherboard and spec but with one stick
 > corsaire memory 512 and this PC works fine with the same device !
 >
 > Isn't it about time that USB worked OK. I have seen web postings to
 > say that 'USB operation on Abit mobos is a bit tempremental with some
 > configurations'. Is that true ? Have I made the wrong choice ?
 >
 > Any advice or comments will be most welcome.
 >
 > Hank
 >
 > Virgo Case
 >
 > Antec True 430 PSU (mutts nuts)
 >
 > Corsair 2 x 512, 3200
 >
 > 2700 XP Processor (retail fan)
 >
 > MSI FX5200 128Mb AGP card (not a gamer !)
 >
 > No overclocking
 >
 > DVD
 >
 > Floppy
 >
 > Windows XP home retail (mug)
 >
 > Thomson speedtouch 330 ADSL Modem
 >
 > Logitech Quickcam Messenger
 >
 > Belkin 7 port USB hub

PRB: USB Port May Stop Working After Removing or Inserting USB Device
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=817900" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=817900</a>

FIX: Fast Swap of USB Devices May Cause USB Host Controller to Stop
Functioning on Windows XP
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=816843" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=816843</a>

USB Devices May Not Work After You Unplug a Downstream USB Hub from the
Host Controller
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=810400" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=810400</a>

The computer stops responding during startup
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=832577" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=832577</a>
"Because Windows XP SP1 does not support the USB 2.0 Legacy BIOS, the
USB 1.1 device driver does not work correctly."

General USB Troubleshooting in Windows XP
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=310575" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=310575</a>

These were found when searching <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/</a> on "usb
stop device" (all words) for Windows XP. There were more articles found
but you can perform the search yourself, and also try other search
strings. I was actually trying to find info on how you are supposed to
stop the USB device *BEFORE* you unplug it.

Looks more to be a defect in Windows than in the hardware or the driver.
Also, most users seem to forget that there is a limited amount of power
available from the USB ports. They keep slapping on more USB
peripherals while using a passive hub until USB becomes flaky. Yes, USB
can support up to 127 concurrently connected devices. That doesn't mean
that a single or paired ports are going to supply to current demands for
them all. A pair of USB ports (each USB root hub controller provides 2
ports) can provide a shared load of 500 mA. I have an Abit NF7-S v2
mobo which has 3 USB controllers to provide 3 pairs (6) USB ports but
the 500 mA limitation exists on each pair of USB ports. I believe to be
considered a lower-powered USB device means it sucks up less than 100
mA. USB-to-Ethernet converters suck up 150 mA and USB digital
headphones often suck up more than 100 mA so they are high-powered USB
devices. So watch how much of a current load you are putting on the USB
ports. Use a powered USB hub rather than a passive one.

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Henry4

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:26 pm
Post subject: Re: NF7-S USB problems [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Thanks for the info.

I have followed up these links and find that none really cover my problem
ie:-
1. I do not unplug the USB devices within a few seconds, my problem happens
even if they are connected for hours and then unplugged.
2. The problem occurs with or without USB 1.1 devices
3. The other MS articles do not apply.

Also the same hardware runs OK on my other 'identical' PC (same mobo -
bought within week or two of each other)
Am thinking that it could be corrupted XP installation or RAM problem. As
far as I know, nothing else is different (oh, just remembered the 'good' pc
has a 2600 processor and the 'bad' one has a 2700.)

The problem happens if there are no other usb devices plugged in and just
the one device is used directly to any port out of the four on the
motherboard (I havent used all three hubs)

The USB christmas tree sounded such a good idea as a rebuild of a reduced
hardware pc should be so much easier in case of problems.

"*Vanguard*" <no-email.TakeThisOut@post-reply-in-newsgroup.invalid> wrote in message
news:4Mqdney47eYeB8Xd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
 > "Henry" said in news:c39ked$qpf$1@hercules.btinternet.com:
  > > Hi guys and gals.
  > >
  > > I have a new build PC and am p*ssed that the USB thing does not work
  > > properly. Particularly as I had intended to build the PC as basic as
  > > possible and to connect peripherals via USB instead of having them
  > > built in. The PC only has floppy and DVD drive inside the case.
  > > Burner, scanner, hub, card reader, handspring docker, webcam and adsl
  > > modem etc are all USB devices. I have no PCI cards installed
  > >
  > > With no other USB devices connected, sometimes when I connect the card
  > > reader (Hama 6 way) it is recognised and the 4 drives appear. I then
  > > disconnect (by pulling the USB plug) and the device goes. If I try and
  > > re-insert, the machine freezes. I can move the mouse but the
  > > processor is 100% utilised and I can't do anything. If I remove the
  > > reader I sometimes get BSOD.
  > >
  > > Have tried removing all USB hub drivers etc and letting them be
  > > re-loaded but this does not cure.
  > >
  > > Have tried disabling serial ports in BIOS to release INTs but no good.
  > >
  > > I have another PC with same motherboard and spec but with one stick
  > > corsaire memory 512 and this PC works fine with the same device !
  > >
  > > Isn't it about time that USB worked OK. I have seen web postings to
  > > say that 'USB operation on Abit mobos is a bit tempremental with some
  > > configurations'. Is that true ? Have I made the wrong choice ?
  > >
  > > Any advice or comments will be most welcome.
  > >
  > > Hank
  > >
  > > Virgo Case
  > >
  > > Antec True 430 PSU (mutts nuts)
  > >
  > > Corsair 2 x 512, 3200
  > >
  > > 2700 XP Processor (retail fan)
  > >
  > > MSI FX5200 128Mb AGP card (not a gamer !)
  > >
  > > No overclocking
  > >
  > > DVD
  > >
  > > Floppy
  > >
  > > Windows XP home retail (mug)
  > >
  > > Thomson speedtouch 330 ADSL Modem
  > >
  > > Logitech Quickcam Messenger
  > >
  > > Belkin 7 port USB hub
 >
 > PRB: USB Port May Stop Working After Removing or Inserting USB Device
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=817900</font" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=817900</font</a>>
 >
 > FIX: Fast Swap of USB Devices May Cause USB Host Controller to Stop
 > Functioning on Windows XP
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=816843</font" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=816843</font</a>>
 >
 > USB Devices May Not Work After You Unplug a Downstream USB Hub from the
 > Host Controller
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=810400</font" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=810400</font</a>>
 >
 > The computer stops responding during startup
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=832577</font" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=832577</font</a>>
 > "Because Windows XP SP1 does not support the USB 2.0 Legacy BIOS, the
 > USB 1.1 device driver does not work correctly."
 >
 > General USB Troubleshooting in Windows XP
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=310575</font" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=310575</font</a>>
 >
 > These were found when searching <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://support.microsoft.com/" target="_blank">http://support.microsoft.com/</a> on "usb
 > stop device" (all words) for Windows XP. There were more articles found
 > but you can perform the search yourself, and also try other search
 > strings. I was actually trying to find info on how you are supposed to
 > stop the USB device *BEFORE* you unplug it.
 >
 > Looks more to be a defect in Windows than in the hardware or the driver.
 > Also, most users seem to forget that there is a limited amount of power
 > available from the USB ports. They keep slapping on more USB
 > peripherals while using a passive hub until USB becomes flaky. Yes, USB
 > can support up to 127 concurrently connected devices. That doesn't mean
 > that a single or paired ports are going to supply to current demands for
 > them all. A pair of USB ports (each USB root hub controller provides 2
 > ports) can provide a shared load of 500 mA. I have an Abit NF7-S v2
 > mobo which has 3 USB controllers to provide 3 pairs (6) USB ports but
 > the 500 mA limitation exists on each pair of USB ports. I believe to be
 > considered a lower-powered USB device means it sucks up less than 100
 > mA. USB-to-Ethernet converters suck up 150 mA and USB digital
 > headphones often suck up more than 100 mA so they are high-powered USB
 > devices. So watch how much of a current load you are putting on the USB
 > ports. Use a powered USB hub rather than a passive one.
 >
 > --
 > ____________________________________________________________
 > *** Post replies to newsgroup. E-mail is not accepted. ***
 > ____________________________________________________________
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Chip

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Since: Dec 11, 2003
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:58 pm
Post subject: Re: NF7-S USB problems [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Henry" <hank.russell.RemoveThis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:c39ked$qpf$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
 > Hi guys and gals.
 >
 > I have a new build PC and am p*ssed that the USB thing does not work
 > properly. Particularly as I had intended to build the PC as basic as
 > possible and to connect peripherals via USB instead of having them built
in.
 > The PC only has floppy and DVD drive inside the case. Burner, scanner,
hub,
 > card reader, handspring docker, webcam and adsl modem etc are all USB
 > devices. I have no PCI cards installed
 >
 > With no other USB devices connected, sometimes when I connect the card
 > reader (Hama 6 way) it is recognised and the 4 drives appear. I then
 > disconnect (by pulling the USB plug) and the device goes. If I try and
 > re-insert, the machine freezes. I can move the mouse but the processor is
 > 100% utilised and I can't do anything. If I remove the reader I sometimes
 > get BSOD.
 >
 > Have tried removing all USB hub drivers etc and letting them be re-loaded
 > but this does not cure.

Have you checked to see if there are any later updated firmware or drivers
for your USB Hub? Unfortunately there are lots of issues with nVidia
nforce2 USB support. Some manufacturers have released updated firmware or
drivers to try to fix problems like this.

Chip.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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