Newbie question

sorry i just read the SD bit....maybe a Kodak ?


"john" <mark39.TakeThisOut@removeziplip.com> wrote in message
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 > I would certainly be looking at a Canon A70 & maybe if you got lucky with
 > prices then an A80 ...i dont know what your prices are like over there.
 >
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 > "Dave" <DRMCMahonpost.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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  > > Okay guys I am embrassed about this, I know a little about computers but
  > > nothing about digital cams
  > >
  > > Can anyone recomend the best cam for about £200??? I also need it to
take
 > SD
  > > cards (I believe these are the best)
  > >
  > > Thanks for your time and hard luck on your (assumed) mistakes please
take
  > > pity and advise me not to do the same.
  > >
  > > I have seen plenty of tempting D/C's on ebay but I know not of some of
 > these
  > > brands
  > >
  > >
 >
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On Thu, 6 May 2004 20:17:37 +0100, "Dave" wrote:

 >Can anyone recomend the best cam for about £200??? I also need it to take SD
 >cards (I believe these are the best)

Why are they better? CF is - by design - faster and cards are
available from many sources.

From what I can tell from the prices over at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.co.uk/</a>
the Canon Powershot A70 (last years model) or A75 should fit the
budget just fine - I assume you have the equivalent of PriceWatch in
the UK as well?

 >Thanks for your time and hard luck on your (assumed) mistakes please take
 >pity and advise me not to do the same.
 >
 >I have seen plenty of tempting D/C's on ebay but I know not of some of these
 >brands

Many of those quote the interpolated megapixel number - i.e. getting
6 MP from a 3MP sensor - which lessens quality. Another point; if it
says CMOS and not CCD and it isn't Canon or Nikon (or another
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 23:20:29 +0200, Rolf Egil Sølvik
<rolfegil.DeleteThis@c2i.net> vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:
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  >>I have seen plenty of tempting D/C's on ebay but I know not of some of these
  >>brands
 >
 >Many of those quote the interpolated megapixel number - i.e. getting
 >6 MP from a 3MP sensor - which lessens quality.

Wot? You mean like the Fujis? <GG>
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"Dave" <DRMCMahonpost.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > Okay guys I am embrassed about this, I know a little about computers but
 > nothing about digital cams
 >
 > Can anyone recomend the best cam for about £200??? I also need it to take
SD
 > cards (I believe these are the best)
 >
 > Thanks for your time and hard luck on your (assumed) mistakes please take
 > pity and advise me not to do the same.
 >
 > I have seen plenty of tempting D/C's on ebay but I know not of some of
these
 > brands
 >
 >
Compact Flash cards are the cheapest.
Best camera in your range would, in my humble opionion, be the Canon A75,
or, the A80 if you can afford.

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If you insist on Sd go with the the Kodak 6490.
$346 usd at www.buydig.com
Not sure they ship out of the USA.


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On Fri, 07 May 2004 00:54:34 GMT, Old Nick wrote:

 >On Thu, 06 May 2004 23:20:29 +0200, Rolf Egil Sølvik
 ><rolfegil DeleteThis @c2i.net> vaguely proposed a theory
 >......and in reply I say!:
 >
   >>>I have seen plenty of tempting D/C's on ebay but I know not of some of these
   >>>brands
  >>
  >>Many of those quote the interpolated megapixel number - i.e. getting
  >>6 MP from a 3MP sensor - which lessens quality.
 >
 >Wot? You mean like the Fujis? <GG>

The Fujis with that SuperCCD (III/IV HR/...) can make a picture file
with more pixels than sensor, that's true... But Fujis sensors are
arranged in a honeycomb orientation and have something going for it,
but as dpreview puts it, a 12MP interpolated/6MP SuperCCD is more
like 5MPs of the regular CCD type when it come to picture quality.

I was thinking of these digicams marketed as "As seen on TV" and
their "high quality" CMOS sensor, but not visiting ebay much myself I
really don't know what they're like - but if their CMOS is anything
like the CMOS in my webcam it's really nothing to make a note of! The
reviews I have seen on such high-MP, cheap digicams are few, but that
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 23:20:29 +0200, Rolf Egil Sølvik
<rolfegil.DeleteThis@c2i.net> was understood to have stated the following:

 >Why are they better? CF is - by design - faster and cards are
 >available from many sources.

But given how often people post about "I've lost my CF card's
contents", I'm thinking in some cases slower might be a little better.


Plus, with SD, if you have a Palm OS PDA with a SD slot, you can pop
the card out of the camera and view it on a better screen. That was
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On Fri, 07 May 2004 13:03:08 -0400, "David W. Poole, Jr." wrote:

 >On Thu, 06 May 2004 23:20:29 +0200, Rolf Egil Sølvik
 > was understood to have stated the following:
 >
  >>Why are they better? CF is - by design - faster and cards are
  >>available from many sources.
 >
 >But given how often people post about "I've lost my CF card's
 >contents", I'm thinking in some cases slower might be a little better.

Such cases are easily corrected most of the time, given a fresh
format before you shot the "lost pictures" or a accidental format of
the card - there are at least 10 programs available for little or no
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On Fri, 07 May 2004 22:00:35 +0200, Rolf Egil Sølvik
<rolfegil.RemoveThis@c2i.net> was understood to have stated the following:

  >>But given how often people post about "I've lost my CF card's
  >>contents", I'm thinking in some cases slower might be a little better.
 >
 >Such cases are easily corrected most of the time, given a fresh
 >format before you shot the "lost pictures" or a accidental format of
 >the card - there are at least 10 programs available for little or no
 >cost that will rescue them.

If I understand correctly, your statement "given a fresh
format before you shot the "lost pictures"' is saying that CF users
should format the card before each use? If so, Ouch.

The following part bothers me too, in that there are programs to
recover information after the card has accidently been formatted. That
scares me, as of the six SD and one MMC cards currently in my
possession, I've never needed to run a format utility on them.

But I guess it's possible to accidently format a card with data on it
when you're preparing (unnecessarily, IMO) a card to shoot with. Then
having one of those ten programs available would definitely be
beneficial. However, it bothers me that "such cases are easily
corrected MOST of the time."

Oddly enough, I have yet to see such an issue with any of my SD cards,
even though they regularly hop between three devices (camera, PDA, and
jump drive) and are used for a multitude of purposes, including
photography. In this case, I think I'll stick with "better safe than
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"Dave" <DRMCMahonpost.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > Okay guys I am embrassed about this, I know a little about computers but
 > nothing about digital cams
 >
 > Can anyone recomend the best cam for about £200??? I also need it to take
SD
 > cards (I believe these are the best)
 >
 > Thanks for your time and hard luck on your (assumed) mistakes please take
 > pity and advise me not to do the same.
 >
 > I have seen plenty of tempting D/C's on ebay but I know not of some of
these
 > brands
 >
The Nikon D100 and the new D70 just to mention a few use the CF cards. This
must say something for their reliability. I have many from 4Megs to 1Gig(6
years of using them) and have shot thousands of photos and never had trouble
once. The reason you read so much about troubles is due to their many years
of use.

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On Mon, 10 May 2004 02:04:47 -0400, "David W. Poole, Jr."
<SpammersAreLosers.20.dwpj65.TakeThisOut@spamgourmet.com> wrote:

 >On Fri, 07 May 2004 22:00:35 +0200, Rolf Egil Sølvik
 > was understood to have stated the following:
 >
   >>>But given how often people post about "I've lost my CF card's
   >>>contents", I'm thinking in some cases slower might be a little better.
  >>
  >>Such cases are easily corrected most of the time, given a fresh
  >>format before you shot the "lost pictures" or a accidental format of
  >>the card - there are at least 10 programs available for little or no
  >>cost that will rescue them.
 >
 >If I understand correctly, your statement "given a fresh
 >format before you shot the "lost pictures"' is saying that CF users
 >should format the card before each use? If so, Ouch.
 >
 >The following part bothers me too, in that there are programs to
 >recover information after the card has accidently been formatted. That
 >scares me, as of the six SD and one MMC cards currently in my
 >possession, I've never needed to run a format utility on them.
 >
 >But I guess it's possible to accidently format a card with data on it
 >when you're preparing (unnecessarily, IMO) a card to shoot with. Then
 >having one of those ten programs available would definitely be
 >beneficial. However, it bothers me that "such cases are easily
 >corrected MOST of the time."
 >
 >Oddly enough, I have yet to see such an issue with any of my SD cards,
 >even though they regularly hop between three devices (camera, PDA, and
 >jump drive) and are used for a multitude of purposes, including
 >photography. In this case, I think I'll stick with "better safe than
 >fast."

As far as the "fresh format" goes, I only meant to indicate that if
you take 20 pics and then delete i.e. number 3, 5, 11 and 15
possibly the 21st and certainly the 22nd and probably a few more will
not be saved as contiguous files (i.e. the picture is stored in at
least 2 separate parts), making it less probable to recover it
correctly - but not impossible!

And FAT/FAT32, which all CFs are formatted using, have a table of the
contents of the card. An accidental format will "blank" that table
and leave the file data intact, but not accessible - but fortunately
recoverable!

So I can only caution against deleting any pics but the last you took
before taking a new one, and recommend starting with a fresh
formatted card each time.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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