Upgraded to AMD XP processor, now windows slower!

I also run a 1800+ @ 2Ghz on a KT7-Raid with Win2K Pro and everything runs
faster on the system regardless if the BIOS says unknown processor type!
Perhaps something has changed or has degraded on the OS itself!

"dbd" <dbd.TakeThisOut@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:5216c33a.0312090955.3e9c8e8c@posting.google.com...
 > Hi,
 > I have an Abit Kt7a mobo and just upgraded my 1.33 GHz processor to a
 > 1800XP (happily running at 2GHz). The strang thing is that in Windows
 > (2000 Pro) when I ran the UT2k3 benchmark the FPS dropped by 5,
 > instead of going up because I now have a faster proccessor.
 > Currently windows sees it as an unknown proccessor (but maybe because
 > my mobo don't officially support it, but the abit newsgroup ppl say it
 > shoud be ok).
 > Do you think I need to re-install windows, or is something strange
 > going on.
 > Also, I would run tests in Linux, but I can't remember my old results,
 > so can't compare. (It says 3984 bogomips if that helps.)
 >
 > thanks
 >
 > dbd<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"IC" <icnow DeleteThis @nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:<V4oBb.1419$Zq2.1148985@news2.news.adelphia.net>...
 > dbd wrote:
  > > Hi,
  > > I have an Abit Kt7a mobo and just upgraded my 1.33 GHz processor to a
  > > 1800XP (happily running at 2GHz). The strang thing is that in Windows
  > > (2000 Pro) when I ran the UT2k3 benchmark the FPS dropped by 5,
  > > instead of going up because I now have a faster proccessor.
  > > Currently windows sees it as an unknown proccessor (but maybe because
  > > my mobo don't officially support it, but the abit newsgroup ppl say it
  > > shoud be ok).
  > > Do you think I need to re-install windows, or is something strange
  > > going on.
  > > Also, I would run tests in Linux, but I can't remember my old results,
  > > so can't compare. (It says 3984 bogomips if that helps.)
  > >
  > > thanks
  > >
  > > dbd
 >
 > What video card are you using? It may be the card was running as fast
 > as possible with the other CPU and a faster one won't necessarily give
 > you more FPS.

An Nivida GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB, but the fps went from 35 down to 30,
and I
expect at least 45-50 with this new processor.
Also, windows says it is an unknow processor (not just the bios saying
that) when I right click on my computer. Is that normal?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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dbd wrote:
 > "IC" <icnow DeleteThis @nospam.invalid> wrote in message
 > news:<V4oBb.1419$Zq2.1148985@news2.news.adelphia.net>...
  >> dbd wrote:
   >>> Hi,
   >>> I have an Abit Kt7a mobo and just upgraded my 1.33 GHz processor to
   >>> a 1800XP (happily running at 2GHz). The strang thing is that in
   >>> Windows (2000 Pro) when I ran the UT2k3 benchmark the FPS dropped
   >>> by 5, instead of going up because I now have a faster proccessor.
   >>> Currently windows sees it as an unknown proccessor (but maybe
   >>> because my mobo don't officially support it, but the abit newsgroup
   >>> ppl say it shoud be ok).
   >>> Do you think I need to re-install windows, or is something strange
   >>> going on.
   >>> Also, I would run tests in Linux, but I can't remember my old
   >>> results, so can't compare. (It says 3984 bogomips if that helps.)
   >>>
   >>> thanks
   >>>
   >>> dbd
  >>
  >> What video card are you using? It may be the card was running as
  >> fast as possible with the other CPU and a faster one won't
  >> necessarily give you more FPS.
 >
 > An Nivida GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB, but the fps went from 35 down to 30,
 > and I
 > expect at least 45-50 with this new processor.
 > Also, windows says it is an unknow processor (not just the bios saying
 > that) when I right click on my computer. Is that normal?

That's normal. Since the BIOS doesn't have the exact model stored, it
says "unkown" CPU. It's not important. All that's important is that
the CPU is running at the speed you want.

Now, to the video card. The TI 4200 is an "older" card on the same
scale as the ATI R8500 and they are DX8 cards; not DX9 capable. I'm not
surprised there's little difference with a faster CPU.
Why the 5 FPS difference? Got me. Maybe try re-installing the drivers
(or updating them) and/or reinstall Wondows. It's not hardware related
(except for the limitation of the video card).<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:16:17 -0800, dbd wrote:

 > "IC" <icnow.RemoveThis@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
 > news:<V4oBb.1419$Zq2.1148985@news2.news.adelphia.net>...
  >> dbd wrote:
   >> > Hi,
   >> > I have an Abit Kt7a mobo and just upgraded my 1.33 GHz processor to a
   >> > 1800XP (happily running at 2GHz). The strang thing is that in Windows
   >> > (2000 Pro) when I ran the UT2k3 benchmark the FPS dropped by 5,
   >> > instead of going up because I now have a faster proccessor. Currently
   >> > windows sees it as an unknown proccessor (but maybe because my mobo
   >> > don't officially support it, but the abit newsgroup ppl say it shoud
   >> > be ok). Do you think I need to re-install windows, or is something
   >> > strange going on. Also, I would run tests in Linux, but I can't
   >> > remember my old results, so can't compare. (It says 3984 bogomips if
   >> > that helps.)
  >>
  >> What video card are you using? It may be the card was running as fast
  >> as possible with the other CPU and a faster one won't necessarily give
  >> you more FPS.
 >
 > An Nivida GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB, but the fps went from 35 down to 30,
 > and I expect at least 45-50 with this new processor. Also, windows says
 > it is an unknow processor (not just the bios saying that) when I right
 > click on my computer. Is that normal?

I'm not a windows person, but I'm pretty sure you have to let windows know
about the cpu change. You went from a cpu that doesn't support SSE to one
that does. You might be able to do a repair install, like with WinXP, or
maybe with 2000 you do it some other way. Check system properties or
reinstall.

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Did the bios reset itself, or require you to reset it, when you
switched cpus? If so is it possible that one of the bios settings has
changed?

Forrest

Motherboard Help By HAL web site:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.comcast.net/~hal-9000/" target="_blank">http://home.comcast.net/~hal-9000/</a>


On 9 Dec 2003 09:55:34 -0800, dbd.RemoveThis@myrealbox.com (dbd) wrote:

 >Hi,
 >I have an Abit Kt7a mobo and just upgraded my 1.33 GHz processor to a
 >1800XP (happily running at 2GHz). The strang thing is that in Windows
 >(2000 Pro) when I ran the UT2k3 benchmark the FPS dropped by 5,
 >instead of going up because I now have a faster proccessor.
 >Currently windows sees it as an unknown proccessor (but maybe because
 >my mobo don't officially support it, but the abit newsgroup ppl say it
 >shoud be ok).
 >Do you think I need to re-install windows, or is something strange
 >going on.
 >Also, I would run tests in Linux, but I can't remember my old results,
 >so can't compare. (It says 3984 bogomips if that helps.)
 >
 >thanks
 >
 >dbd<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"dbd" <dbd.DeleteThis@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:5216c33a.0312090955.3e9c8e8c@posting.google.com...
 > Hi,
 > I have an Abit Kt7a mobo and just upgraded my 1.33 GHz processor to a
 > 1800XP (happily running at 2GHz). The strang thing is that in Windows
 > (2000 Pro) when I ran the UT2k3 benchmark the FPS dropped by 5,
 > instead of going up because I now have a faster proccessor.
 > Currently windows sees it as an unknown proccessor (but maybe because
 > my mobo don't officially support it, but the abit newsgroup ppl say it
 > shoud be ok).
 > Do you think I need to re-install windows, or is something strange
 > going on.
 > Also, I would run tests in Linux, but I can't remember my old results,
 > so can't compare. (It says 3984 bogomips if that helps.)
 >
 > thanks
 >
 > dbd<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Upgraded to AMD XP processor, now windows slower! 

"Locutus" <Drone.DeleteThis@Uni-MatrixOne.DeltaQuadrent> wrote in message news:3fd80385$1$14965$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
 > I thinkl this might be you problem
i had the same problems as you
when i went from a tbird to an xp
read this and the link




When upgrading an existing system with a new Duron (Morgan) or Athlon XP (Palomino) processor, 2 changes need to be made.
1 - Upgrade the BIOS to fully support all the new capabilities of the new processor including SSE instructions

2 - Reload the Operating System to properly recognize that the processor is now capable of supporting SSE

This procedure applies to Win95/98, WinME, Win2000, WinNT, WinXP

Changing processor from AMD Athlon(T-Bird)/Duron to AMD Palomino/Morgan (or vice-versa).




<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.duxcw.com/dcforum/DCForumID5/534.html" target="_blank">http://www.duxcw.com/dcforum/DCForumID5/534.html</a>

 >
 >
 > "dbd" <dbd.DeleteThis@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:5216c33a.0312090955.3e9c8e8c@posting.google.com...
  > > Hi,
  > > I have an Abit Kt7a mobo and just upgraded my 1.33 GHz processor to a
  > > 1800XP (happily running at 2GHz). The strang thing is that in Windows
  > > (2000 Pro) when I ran the UT2k3 benchmark the FPS dropped by 5,
  > > instead of going up because I now have a faster proccessor.
  > > Currently windows sees it as an unknown proccessor (but maybe because
  > > my mobo don't officially support it, but the abit newsgroup ppl say it
  > > shoud be ok).
  > > Do you think I need to re-install windows, or is something strange
  > > going on.
  > > Also, I would run tests in Linux, but I can't remember my old results,
  > > so can't compare. (It says 3984 bogomips if that helps.)
  > >
  > > thanks
  > >
  > > dbd
 >
 >
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Locutus" <Drone.DeleteThis@Uni-MatrixOne.DeltaQuadrent> wrote in message news:<3fd803c7$1$14955$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>...
 > "Locutus" <Drone.DeleteThis@Uni-MatrixOne.DeltaQuadrent> wrote in message news:3fd80385$1$14965$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
  > > I thinkl this might be you problem
 > i had the same problems as you
 > when i went from a tbird to an xp
 > read this and the link
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > When upgrading an existing system with a new Duron (Morgan) or Athlon XP (Palomino) processor, 2 changes need to be made.
 > 1 - Upgrade the BIOS to fully support all the new capabilities of the new processor including SSE instructions
I'm pritty sire I got the latest bios, but my mobo don't official
support the XP processors, but then again, ppl say it works fine in
almost every set up.
 >
 > 2 - Reload the Operating System to properly recognize that the processor is now capable of supporting SSE
Yep, reinstalled windows, same problem.
 >
 > This procedure applies to Win95/98, WinME, Win2000, WinNT, WinXP
 >
 > Changing processor from AMD Athlon(T-Bird)/Duron to AMD Palomino/Morgan (or vice-versa).
 >
 >
 >
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.duxcw.com/dcforum/DCForumID5/534.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.duxcw.com/dcforum/DCForumID5/534.html</font</a>>
 >
  > >
  > >
  > > "dbd" <dbd.DeleteThis@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:5216c33a.0312090955.3e9c8e8c@posting.google.com...
   > > > Hi,
   > > > I have an Abit Kt7a mobo and just upgraded my 1.33 GHz processor to a
   > > > 1800XP (happily running at 2GHz). The strang thing is that in Windows
   > > > (2000 Pro) when I ran the UT2k3 benchmark the FPS dropped by 5,
   > > > instead of going up because I now have a faster proccessor.
   > > > Currently windows sees it as an unknown proccessor (but maybe because
   > > > my mobo don't officially support it, but the abit newsgroup ppl say it
   > > > shoud be ok).
   > > > Do you think I need to re-install windows, or is something strange
   > > > going on.
   > > > Also, I would run tests in Linux, but I can't remember my old results,
   > > > so can't compare. (It says 3984 bogomips if that helps.)
   > > >
   > > > thanks
   > > >
   > > > dbd
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Wes Newell <w.newell.TakeThisOut@SOSverizon.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.12.10.18.25.56.216505.TakeThisOut@SOSverizon.net>...
 > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:16:17 -0800, dbd wrote:
 >
  > > "IC" <icnow.TakeThisOut@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
  > > news:<V4oBb.1419$Zq2.1148985@news2.news.adelphia.net>...
   > >> dbd wrote:
   > >> > Hi,
   > >> > I have an Abit Kt7a mobo and just upgraded my 1.33 GHz processor to a
   > >> > 1800XP (happily running at 2GHz). The strang thing is that in Windows
   > >> > (2000 Pro) when I ran the UT2k3 benchmark the FPS dropped by 5,
   > >> > instead of going up because I now have a faster proccessor. Currently
   > >> > windows sees it as an unknown proccessor (but maybe because my mobo
   > >> > don't officially support it, but the abit newsgroup ppl say it shoud
   > >> > be ok). Do you think I need to re-install windows, or is something
   > >> > strange going on. Also, I would run tests in Linux, but I can't
   > >> > remember my old results, so can't compare. (It says 3984 bogomips if
   > >> > that helps.)
   > >>
   > >> What video card are you using? It may be the card was running as fast
   > >> as possible with the other CPU and a faster one won't necessarily give
   > >> you more FPS.
  > >
  > > An Nivida GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB, but the fps went from 35 down to 30,
  > > and I expect at least 45-50 with this new processor. Also, windows says
  > > it is an unknow processor (not just the bios saying that) when I right
  > > click on my computer. Is that normal?
 >
 > I'm not a windows person, but I'm pretty sure you have to let windows know
 > about the cpu change. You went from a cpu that doesn't support SSE to one
 > that does. You might be able to do a repair install, like with WinXP, or
 > maybe with 2000 you do it some other way. Check system properties or
 > reinstall.

Reinstalled, same problem.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"IC" <icnow DeleteThis @nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:<%TIBb.1800$Zq2.1411359@news2.news.adelphia.net>...
 > dbd wrote:
  > > "IC" <icnow DeleteThis @nospam.invalid> wrote in message
  > > news:<V4oBb.1419$Zq2.1148985@news2.news.adelphia.net>...
   > >> dbd wrote:
   > >>> Hi,
   > >>> I have an Abit Kt7a mobo and just upgraded my 1.33 GHz processor to
   > >>> a 1800XP (happily running at 2GHz). The strang thing is that in
   > >>> Windows (2000 Pro) when I ran the UT2k3 benchmark the FPS dropped
   > >>> by 5, instead of going up because I now have a faster proccessor.
   > >>> Currently windows sees it as an unknown proccessor (but maybe
   > >>> because my mobo don't officially support it, but the abit newsgroup
   > >>> ppl say it shoud be ok).
   > >>> Do you think I need to re-install windows, or is something strange
   > >>> going on.
   > >>> Also, I would run tests in Linux, but I can't remember my old
   > >>> results, so can't compare. (It says 3984 bogomips if that helps.)
   > >>>
   > >>> thanks
   > >>>
   > >>> dbd
   > >>
   > >> What video card are you using? It may be the card was running as
   > >> fast as possible with the other CPU and a faster one won't
   > >> necessarily give you more FPS.
  > >
  > > An Nivida GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB, but the fps went from 35 down to 30,
  > > and I
  > > expect at least 45-50 with this new processor.
  > > Also, windows says it is an unknow processor (not just the bios saying
  > > that) when I right click on my computer. Is that normal?
 >
 > That's normal. Since the BIOS doesn't have the exact model stored, it
 > says "unkown" CPU. It's not important. All that's important is that
 > the CPU is running at the speed you want.
What about windows saying unknown?
Also, direct X says unknown, 3dnow, sse, ~1.8GHz (I've nocked it back
down to default clock speed).
 >
 > Now, to the video card. The TI 4200 is an "older" card on the same
 > scale as the ATI R8500 and they are DX8 cards; not DX9 capable. I'm not
 > surprised there's little difference with a faster CPU.
 > Why the 5 FPS difference? Got me. Maybe try re-installing the drivers
 > (or updating them) and/or reinstall Wondows. It's not hardware related
 > (except for the limitation of the video card).

Yeah, but UT2k3 is a directX 8 game, so having a directX 8 card
(admittedly one of the slower ones) shouldn't bottle neck it that
much, and a faster CPU should not slow it down.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Wes Newell <w.newell.RemoveThis@SOSverizon.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.12.10.18.25.56.216505.RemoveThis@SOSverizon.net>...
 > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:16:17 -0800, dbd wrote:
 >
  > > "IC" <icnow.RemoveThis@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
  > > news:<V4oBb.1419$Zq2.1148985@news2.news.adelphia.net>...
   > >> dbd wrote:
   > >> > Hi,
   > >> > I have an Abit Kt7a mobo and just upgraded my 1.33 GHz processor to a
   > >> > 1800XP (happily running at 2GHz). The strang thing is that in Windows
   > >> > (2000 Pro) when I ran the UT2k3 benchmark the FPS dropped by 5,
   > >> > instead of going up because I now have a faster proccessor. Currently
   > >> > windows sees it as an unknown proccessor (but maybe because my mobo
   > >> > don't officially support it, but the abit newsgroup ppl say it shoud
   > >> > be ok). Do you think I need to re-install windows, or is something
   > >> > strange going on. Also, I would run tests in Linux, but I can't
   > >> > remember my old results, so can't compare. (It says 3984 bogomips if
   > >> > that helps.)
   > >>
   > >> What video card are you using? It may be the card was running as fast
   > >> as possible with the other CPU and a faster one won't necessarily give
   > >> you more FPS.
  > >
  > > An Nivida GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB, but the fps went from 35 down to 30,
  > > and I expect at least 45-50 with this new processor. Also, windows says
  > > it is an unknow processor (not just the bios saying that) when I right
  > > click on my computer. Is that normal?
 >
 > I'm not a windows person, but I'm pretty sure you have to let windows know
 > about the cpu change. You went from a cpu that doesn't support SSE to one
 > that does. You might be able to do a repair install, like with WinXP, or
 > maybe with 2000 you do it some other way. Check system properties or
 > reinstall.

Sorry to post again (stupid 8 hour google groups delay) but what bios
should I be running. I have a Kt7a 1.2 mobo, but will the 1.3 bios
work (with proper XP processor support)?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:50:18 -0800, dbd wrote:

 > Sorry to post again (stupid 8 hour google groups delay) but what bios
 > should I be running. I have a Kt7a 1.2 mobo, but will the 1.3 bios
 > work (with proper XP processor support)?

A9 is the latest bios for pre 1.3 KT7A's. I've heard that you can use the
1.3 bios's from someone, but do so at your own risk. Yopu might end up
with a dead board.

--
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<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html" target="_blank">http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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I've seen this before.
The problem is that the XP cpu uses SSE instructions.
When you originally installed your operating system SSE wasn't used. AMD's
own 3DNow was.
You wouldn't think that this would make a difference in performance in a
system already installed but it does.
I had a similar problem when I moved to a 1700+ some months ago.
If you redo your system ( fdisk, repartition and reformat) you'll notice
something right away.
The SSE will be used for the install and the time to install the OS will go
down by almost half.
Standard install using 3DNow is about 35 minutes.
Using SSE it's about 17.

How does the above effect your fps in games? I have no idea, although I
have witnessed it and I know it does happen.
SB
"dbd" <dbd DeleteThis @myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:5216c33a.0312090955.3e9c8e8c@posting.google.com...
 > Hi,
 > I have an Abit Kt7a mobo and just upgraded my 1.33 GHz processor to a
 > 1800XP (happily running at 2GHz). The strang thing is that in Windows
 > (2000 Pro) when I ran the UT2k3 benchmark the FPS dropped by 5,
 > instead of going up because I now have a faster proccessor.
 > Currently windows sees it as an unknown proccessor (but maybe because
 > my mobo don't officially support it, but the abit newsgroup ppl say it
 > shoud be ok).
 > Do you think I need to re-install windows, or is something strange
 > going on.
 > Also, I would run tests in Linux, but I can't remember my old results,
 > so can't compare. (It says 3984 bogomips if that helps.)
 >
 > thanks
 >
 > dbd<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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