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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:14 am
Post subject: Upgrading 733 pentium
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I'd like to upgrade the 733 mHz pentium in my 4 year old Micron. The
model number of the motherboard is 694X-596B-977, if that helps.
I'm wondering what types of CPU's I can use. I was looking for a sort
of "master list" which says what CPU upgrades are allowed for all
chips, even more modern ones. But googling for that sort of info
doesn't seem to work. Any info would be appreciated.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:23 am
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raconte.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (raconte) wrote in message news:<a30ce47b.0402172114.1bec7fc1.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>...
> I'd like to upgrade the 733 mHz pentium in my 4 year old Micron. The
> model number of the motherboard is 694X-596B-977, if that helps.
>
> I'm wondering what types of CPU's I can use. I was looking for a sort
> of "master list" which says what CPU upgrades are allowed for all
> chips, even more modern ones. But googling for that sort of info
> doesn't seem to work. Any info would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
I'm affraid that a CPU upgrade is hardly worth the effort, if you can
find one anyway. I haven't seen socket 370 CPUs in the stores for a
while already. If you can get a Coppermine (max. 1GHz IIRC) or
Tualatin PIII (max. 1.4GHz IIRC), you might be lucky if your mainboard
supports a slocket and CPU core voltage required by those CPUs. Also
the new CPU multiplier might be a show-stopper. I know of Asus 440BX
boards giving lots of troubles with multipliers >10. Otherwise you'd
get some more RAM and a fast HDD + controller.
If your current system is really insufficient for what you're doing
with it, just get a dirt cheap Athlon (Barton) + mainboard + DDR RAM +
good PSU. That's how I upgraded my Coppermine Celleron system two
weeks ago, I'm very confident about my new setup.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Upgrading 733 pentium [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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via C3
fully compatible x86 - socket370 - 20W - 30-50$
easier to find than old pentium
and fanless
"raconte" <raconte RemoveThis @hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
a30ce47b.0402172114.1bec7fc1 RemoveThis @posting.google.com...
> I'd like to upgrade the 733 mHz pentium in my 4 year old Micron. The
> model number of the motherboard is 694X-596B-977, if that helps.
>
> I'm wondering what types of CPU's I can use. I was looking for a sort
> of "master list" which says what CPU upgrades are allowed for all
> chips, even more modern ones. But googling for that sort of info
> doesn't seem to work. Any info would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Upgrading 733 pentium |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:00 pm
Post subject: Re: Upgrading 733 pentium [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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raconte <raconte RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to upgrade the 733 mHz pentium in my 4 year old Micron. The
> model number of the motherboard is 694X-596B-977, if that helps.
>
> I'm wondering what types of CPU's I can use. I was looking for a sort
> of "master list" which says what CPU upgrades are allowed for all
> chips, even more modern ones. But googling for that sort of info
> doesn't seem to work. Any info would be appreciated.
Look up the stepping of the CPU using a CPUID tool, then look that stepping
up on intel.com. If that's a Pentium III, odds are any comparable-generation
(same FSB, voltage, socket-type) Pentium III. Based on poor recall of the
PIII-733 (that it was 133mhz FSB and < 2v), I think that means pretty much
any non-FCPGA2/Tualatin Socket-370 P3. I don't think they had a slot-1 733,
but if they did, the same would probably apply with a Slocket.
I don't think the Celeron 733 exists outside of XBoxen, but if it does, the
above may not apply.
Again, first check what the CPU you've got is.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:48 am
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via C3
fully compatible x86 - socket370 - 20W - 30-50$
easier to find than old pentium
bios update needed
"raconte" <raconte.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
a30ce47b.0402172114.1bec7fc1.RemoveThis@posting.google.com...
> I'd like to upgrade the 733 mHz pentium in my 4 year old Micron. The
> model number of the motherboard is 694X-596B-977, if that helps.
>
> I'm wondering what types of CPU's I can use. I was looking for a sort
> of "master list" which says what CPU upgrades are allowed for all
> chips, even more modern ones. But googling for that sort of info
> doesn't seem to work. Any info would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Upgrading 733 pentium |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:18 am
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>I'd like to upgrade the 733 mHz pentium in my 4 year old Micron. The
>model number of the motherboard is 694X-596B-977, if that helps.
Your computer is probably a Slot1 P3 with the VIA Apollo 133 Chipset,
though most Coppermine-based P3s came in both Slot1 and Socket370
packaging. You could probably use either a Powerleap adaptor
(www.powerleap.com) or one of the adopters from upgradeware
(http://www.upgradeware.com/) with Tualatin P3 or Celeron 256k chips
up to 1.4GHz (which are quite cheap these days, either new or used),
and would be nice if this 733Mhz p3 is your 2nd-backup PC. But if
this computer is currently your only main computer, I'd recommend just
getting or building an entirely new Athlon or P4 Northwood system.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Upgrading 733 pentium |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:59 am
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"Papa Schultz" <papa.DeleteThis@schultz.cc> wrote :
> via C3
> fully compatible x86 - socket370 - 20W - 30-50$
> easier to find than old pentium
> bios update needed
you forgot one word - slower
Pozdrawiam.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:42 am
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raconte.DeleteThis@hotmail.com (raconte) wrote in message news:<a30ce47b.0402172114.1bec7fc1.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>...
> I'd like to upgrade the 733 MHz Pentium in my 4 year old Micron. The
> model number of the motherboard is 694X-596B-977, if that helps.
Thanks for the info everyone. I realized my computer was a little
outdated, but I had no idea how outdated. Basically, I wanted to get
a better processor before it was too late to get one -- seems I waited
too long. Recently I got the max RAM the motherboard supports (yes,
768 MB was considered impressive 5 years ago). But I sometimes do ray
tracing, and some more processing power could always help. It's good
enough for working, surfing and LIGHT gaming.
Anyways, if anyone knows an online resource describing what individual
Intel and clone CPU's need in terms of power, socket, etc I can browse
around and see what I can find.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:40 am
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> you forgot one word - slower
Really ! I don't think C3.TakeThisOut@1.2GHz is slower than a P3@733MHz
C3 Nehemiah rocks and is much more optimized than Pentium!!! Tualatin<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Upgrading 733 pentium |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:40 am
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"Papa Schultz" <papa DeleteThis @schultz.cc> wrote:
>> you forgot one word - slower
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>Really ! I don't think C3 DeleteThis @1.2GHz is slower than a P3@733MHz
>C3 Nehemiah rocks and is much more optimized than Pentium!!! Tualatin
Wouldn't be much faster, either. Nothing you'd notice.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Upgrading 733 pentium |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:21 pm
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> Wouldn't be much faster, either. Nothing you'd notice.
+466MHz, it's nothing for you ! And if you consider optimized arch of
Nehemiah for 3D and Encryption it probably gains more than 466MHz compared
to the pentium.
If you consider AMD and Intel, there is a difference of 1GHz and we have
equivalent performance with a barton3000+@2.1GHz and Pentium.RemoveThis@3.06GHz. Cache
L2 speed dont make the entire performance and keeping C3 compatible with
older motherboard 370 is important for via.
From 733MHz to 1.2GHz there is just +64% of cache L2 speed.
Finally, I think that a +64% solution is much faster and i dont consider
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:36 am
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"Papa Schultz" <papa.DeleteThis@schultz.cc> wrote :
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>> you forgot one word - slower
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> Really ! I don't think C3.DeleteThis@1.2GHz is slower than a P3@733MHz
> C3 Nehemiah rocks and is much more optimized than Pentium!!! Tualatin
Are you making fun of me or what ?  Nahemia may rox when it comes to
NOPs or mov 10, al but thats it, anything making use of FPU will
literally crawl (games).
We all know those nifty VIA/Cyrix optimization tricks (instant NOPs).
Those are 1.2GHz of empty clock cycles.
Pozdrawiam.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:36 am
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raconte.DeleteThis@hotmail.com (raconte) wrote :
> Anyways, if anyone knows an online resource describing what
> individual Intel and clone CPU's need in terms of power, socket,
> etc I can browse around and see what I can find.
first things first - you'v got a VIA motherboard, not the best solution
for a P3 processor (VIa = slow, iBX was a P3 king of the hill).
I would buy used brand name KT133A (asus A7V133/epox) board + new Duron
(those are old Athlons XP) if I were you. Swap ram and here you go -
fast and cheap.
Pozdrawiam.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 7:53 am
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:40:20 +0100, "Papa Schultz" <papa DeleteThis @schultz.cc>
wrote:
>> you forgot one word - slower
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>Really ! I don't think C3 DeleteThis @1.2GHz is slower than a P3@733MHz
>C3 Nehemiah rocks and is much more optimized than Pentium!!! Tualatin
A few apps might be tiny bit faster, but on average it would probably
be about the same speed or slower. The VIA C3 is a great chip for the
money (and power consumption), but it's hardly a speed demon.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:40 am
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raconte.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (raconte) wrote:
>Thanks for the info everyone. I realized my computer was a little
>outdated, but I had no idea how outdated. Basically, I wanted to get
>a better processor before it was too late to get one -- seems I waited
>too long.
Nah, you waited the perfect amount of time, for you. Your PC worked
for you, but now you want something better. Your patience will now be
rewarded, since you can get so much more for your money than you could
have if you had bought, say, a year ago.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Upgrading 733 pentium |
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