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dgk5

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:56 pm
Post subject: Video Capture newbie question(s)
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I would like convert several VHS tapes to, I guess, mpg for burning to
CD. VCD or SVCD. I want the quality to remain high and full screen if
possible. It will go into a 1600+ Athlon running Win2K pro. The Video
card is a good one although I don't recall which one offhand. Likely a
128mb AGP4X with TV output but, unfortunately, not input. A good gamer
card.

First thing I need is some kind of card that does take input. I can
play the tapes back on a VHS-S but the tapes themselves are on regular
VHS tape so I don't think that it matters. I also don't care about
having a tuner since I only care about the VHS output but I guess they
all will have it.

Is it best to dump the existing card and get a similar model that does
have input? Or, should I get a stand-alone card? I guess it would have
to be PCI since there is only one AGP slot. My MB does not have 8X
AGP.

I also don't know squat about burning VCDs or SVCDs. I use Nero on
basic settings and it seems to work but I don't understand how
chapters or menus work, etc. Any pointers to a quick tutorial are
greatly appreciated.

Thanks for any suggestions and comments.

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Tim Fardell

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 12:51 am
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:56:09 -0400, dgk
<sonicechoes.DeleteThis@hot-nospamp-mail.com> wrote:

 >Is it best to dump the existing card and get a similar model that does
 >have input? Or, should I get a stand-alone card? I guess it would have
 >to be PCI since there is only one AGP slot. My MB does not have 8X
 >AGP.

I would suggest adding a dedicated video capture card in a PCI slot.
There are plenty of these available, and nearly all of the cheaper
ones use the Bt848 chip, which gives a good quality captured picture.
You may encounter audio/video synchronisation ("lipsync") problems if
you use a separate soundcard for the audio capture - if this is a
problem, the only real way around it is to buy a more expensive video
capture card that has on-board audio. Although you can "hack" it in
software, it is not an easy thing to do, and the results are usually
less than perfect.

For standard VHS tapes, there is no real advantage in using the
S-Video input on the card. If your playback deck has a Timebase
corrector, make sure it is switched ON.

 >I also don't know squat about burning VCDs or SVCDs. I use Nero on
 >basic settings and it seems to work but I don't understand how
 >chapters or menus work, etc. Any pointers to a quick tutorial are
 >greatly appreciated.

VCD quality is quite a lot worse than VHS tape - Stick to SVCD as a
minimum. You only get about 30 minutes on a single CD, but the picture
quality is worth it. If you need more on a single disc, upgrade to a
DVD writer.

Using Nero's built-in MPEG encoder won't give you the best results,
although they are OK for most purposes. I would recommend using
TMPGEnc for optimum picture quality - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tmpgenc.net" target="_blank">http://www.tmpgenc.net</a>

Sorry, I can't advise on chapters and menus - never use them -
although Nero does make a basic but functional menu screen.

HTH<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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dgk3

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:19 am
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:51:21 GMT, tim.fardell.DeleteThis@NOSPAM.talk21.com (Tim
Fardell) wrote:

 >On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:56:09 -0400, dgk
 ><sonicechoes.DeleteThis@hot-nospamp-mail.com> wrote:
 >
  >>Is it best to dump the existing card and get a similar model that does
  >>have input? Or, should I get a stand-alone card? I guess it would have
  >>to be PCI since there is only one AGP slot. My MB does not have 8X
  >>AGP.
 >
 >I would suggest adding a dedicated video capture card in a PCI slot.
 >There are plenty of these available, and nearly all of the cheaper
 >ones use the Bt848 chip, which gives a good quality captured picture.
 >You may encounter audio/video synchronisation ("lipsync") problems if
 >you use a separate soundcard for the audio capture - if this is a
 >problem, the only real way around it is to buy a more expensive video
 >capture card that has on-board audio. Although you can "hack" it in
 >software, it is not an easy thing to do, and the results are usually
 >less than perfect.

You mean that most inexpensive cards don't do audio also? No good.
I'll get one that does.
 >
 >For standard VHS tapes, there is no real advantage in using the
 >S-Video input on the card. If your playback deck has a Timebase
 >corrector, make sure it is switched ON.
 >
  >>I also don't know squat about burning VCDs or SVCDs. I use Nero on
  >>basic settings and it seems to work but I don't understand how
  >>chapters or menus work, etc. Any pointers to a quick tutorial are
  >>greatly appreciated.
 >
 >VCD quality is quite a lot worse than VHS tape - Stick to SVCD as a
 >minimum. You only get about 30 minutes on a single CD, but the picture
 >quality is worth it. If you need more on a single disc, upgrade to a
 >DVD writer.

So the card's software will allow me to save in various quality
settings? Fine.
 >
 >Using Nero's built-in MPEG encoder won't give you the best results,
 >although they are OK for most purposes. I would recommend using
<font color=purple> >TMPGEnc for optimum picture quality - <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tmpgenc.net</font" target="_blank">http://www.tmpgenc.net</font</a>>

TMPGEnc is used after I capture the video and before burning it? What
does it encode it from/to. Well, apparently to mpg I guess.
 >
 >Sorry, I can't advise on chapters and menus - never use them -
 >although Nero does make a basic but functional menu screen.
 >
 >HTH
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Robert26

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 1:15 pm
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Two excellent resources for these type of questions (and lots of other
good info too) are <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.VCDhelp.com" target="_blank">www.VCDhelp.com</a> and <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.Doom9.org." target="_blank">www.Doom9.org.</a> Check them
out...


dgk <sonicechoes.DeleteThis@hot-nospamp-mail.com> wrote in message news:<lh01gvcrooq5acp8j639ir96sif5rdm5fe.DeleteThis@4ax.com>...
 > I would like convert several VHS tapes to, I guess, mpg for burning to
 > CD. VCD or SVCD. I want the quality to remain high and full screen if
 > possible. It will go into a 1600+ Athlon running Win2K pro. The Video
 > card is a good one although I don't recall which one offhand. Likely a
 > 128mb AGP4X with TV output but, unfortunately, not input. A good gamer
 > card.
 >
 > First thing I need is some kind of card that does take input. I can
 > play the tapes back on a VHS-S but the tapes themselves are on regular
 > VHS tape so I don't think that it matters. I also don't care about
 > having a tuner since I only care about the VHS output but I guess they
 > all will have it.
 >
 > Is it best to dump the existing card and get a similar model that does
 > have input? Or, should I get a stand-alone card? I guess it would have
 > to be PCI since there is only one AGP slot. My MB does not have 8X
 > AGP.
 >
 > I also don't know squat about burning VCDs or SVCDs. I use Nero on
 > basic settings and it seems to work but I don't understand how
 > chapters or menus work, etc. Any pointers to a quick tutorial are
 > greatly appreciated.
 >
 > Thanks for any suggestions and comments.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Tim Fardell

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 12:13 am
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:19:33 GMT, dgk
<sonicechoes DeleteThis @zero-spam-hotmail.com> wrote:

 >You mean that most inexpensive cards don't do audio also? No good.
 >I'll get one that does.

Most of the so-called "TV" cards have no audio capture facilities -
you have to use a separate soundcard to grab the audio. There are
plenty of cards that do have audio on-board, but they tend to be
higher-specification, more expensive cards.

 >So the card's software will allow me to save in various quality
 >settings? Fine.

If you have enough hard drive space, its best to capture in
uncompressed form, then compress later using something like TMPGEnc.
If you don't have all that much room, you can do real-time
compression, but the pics aren't great. Most cards (but not all -
check before buying) come with MPEG-1 codecs (for VCD) but you may
need to get hold of a 3rd-party MPEG-2 codec to capture in real-time
for SVCD or DVD.

 >TMPGEnc is used after I capture the video and before burning it? What
 >does it encode it from/to. Well, apparently to mpg I guess.

TMPGEnc will take your uncompressed AVI capture, and convert to either
MPEG-1 or MPEG-2, with settings you select. It comes with preset
profiles for VCD, SVCD and DVD, so it's really easy to encode for
these formats, although there are myriad options available should you
require them. Picture quality is better than Nero's built-in encoder,
and much better than real-time software encoding.

Hope this is some help. This is, of course, all my personal opinion,
so others may have different views.

I second Robert's website recommendations. <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.vcdhelp.com" target="_blank">http://www.vcdhelp.com</a> is
particularly comprehensive.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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