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Since: Oct 04, 2007
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:32 pm
Post subject: Please answer me -- overclock but undervolt -- safe? How much?
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Hi:
Please answer my questions below. Please don't neglect this message.
Is it possible to significantly decrease the heat generated by a
"Pentium 4 570J/670 3.8 GHz processor" by using extreme undervolting
without underclocking? How far can undervolting go before it causes
trouble? What problems can result from undervolting? Can it damage the
CPU or other parts of the PC?
Also, can these processors be overclocked to 4 GHz while still being
undervolted to the max tolerable? Does overclocking decrease the extent
to which undervolting can be safely performed?
In addition, what is the max that these CPUs can be overclocked without
damaging them or decreasing their lifetimes?
No offense but please respond with reasonable answers & keep out the
jokes, off-topic nonsense, taunts, insults, and trivializations. I am
really interested in this.
If I am not answered properly I might go insane and do something
everyone -- including me -- will eternally regret.
Thanks,
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Since: Aug 14, 2007
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:26 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:37 am
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"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote in message
> Hi:
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> Please answer my questions below. Please don't neglect this message.
<snip>
Why would you want to do this? Just vent your case adequately and choose an
appropriate hs/f for the unit. I've seen reviews where a 670 did just under
4.4Ghz with stock voltage and a Zalman 7700 cooler. And they were perfectly
happy with the temp of the CPU both stock and o/c. If you must, reduce the
vcore incrementally and test for errors. Part of the huge power consumption
of the 600 series is the 2mB of on-die L2 cache. This unit consumes over
160W under full load.
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Since: Aug 31, 2007
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:48 am
Post subject: Re: Please answer me -- overclock but undervolt -- safe? How much? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote in message
> Hi:
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> Please answer my questions below. Please don't neglect this message.
>
> Is it possible to significantly decrease the heat generated by a "Pentium
> 4 570J/670 3.8 GHz processor" by using extreme undervolting without
> underclocking? How far can undervolting go before it causes trouble? What
> problems can result from undervolting? Can it damage the CPU or other
> parts of the PC?
>
> Also, can these processors be overclocked to 4 GHz while still being
> undervolted to the max tolerable? Does overclocking decrease the extent to
> which undervolting can be safely performed?
>
> In addition, what is the max that these CPUs can be overclocked without
> damaging them or decreasing their lifetimes?
>
I have a 630 (EM64T_3ghz) that has been running at 3.6ghz for 2yrs or more
at stock vcore very happily, but any lowering of the vcore causes immediate
instability. These processors are "on the edge" so to speak from the get go,
so expect to underclock if you reduce the vcore. They also tend to run a lot
hotter than today's Core 2/Quad processors so good cooling and airflow is a
must.
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Since: Oct 04, 2007
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Please answer me -- overclock but undervolt -- safe? How much? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Ed M. wrote:
> "Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote in message
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>>Hi:
>>
>>Please answer my questions below. Please don't neglect this message.
>>
>>Is it possible to significantly decrease the heat generated by a "Pentium
>>4 570J/670 3.8 GHz processor" by using extreme undervolting without
>>underclocking? How far can undervolting go before it causes trouble? What
>>problems can result from undervolting? Can it damage the CPU or other
>>parts of the PC?
>>
>>Also, can these processors be overclocked to 4 GHz while still being
>>undervolted to the max tolerable? Does overclocking decrease the extent to
>>which undervolting can be safely performed?
>>
>>In addition, what is the max that these CPUs can be overclocked without
>>damaging them or decreasing their lifetimes?
>>
>
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> I have a 630 (EM64T_3ghz) that has been running at 3.6ghz for 2yrs or more
> at stock vcore very happily, but any lowering of the vcore causes immediate
> instability. These processors are "on the edge" so to speak from the get go,
> so expect to underclock if you reduce the vcore. They also tend to run a lot
> hotter than today's Core 2/Quad processors so good cooling and airflow is a
> must.
>
>
> Ed
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>
Thank you all for your responses. Sorry I was harsh. I was having a bad day.
I hate to be such a pest but I have a few more questions:
Of Intel's Pentium 4 570J 3.8 GHz processor and Intel's Pentium 4 670
3.8 GHz processor, which one is less expensive?
What is the least expensive motherboard that is fully compatible with
Intel's Pentium 4 570J 3.8 GHz processor?
What is the least expensive motherboard that is fully compatible with
Intel's Pentium 4 670 3.8 GHz processor?
Which motherboard is less expensive?
What the least expensive HDD that is fully compatible with Intel's
Pentium 4 570J 3.8 GHz processor?
What the least expensive HDD that is fully compatible with Intel's
Pentium 4 670 3.8 GHz processor?
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Since: Feb 10, 2007
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Please answer me -- overclock but undervolt -- safe? How much? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Asked and answered the first time you posted. And, by the way, you don't
set the terms of a conversation here. A newsgroup is a group effort. Most
participants in this group are very helpful and polite. In fact, yours is
the most objectionable post I've seen here in years.
Phil Weldon
"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote in message
| Hi:
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| Please answer my questions below. Please don't neglect this message.
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| Is it possible to significantly decrease the heat generated by a
| "Pentium 4 570J/670 3.8 GHz processor" by using extreme undervolting
| without underclocking? How far can undervolting go before it causes
| trouble? What problems can result from undervolting? Can it damage the
| CPU or other parts of the PC?
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| Also, can these processors be overclocked to 4 GHz while still being
| undervolted to the max tolerable? Does overclocking decrease the extent
| to which undervolting can be safely performed?
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| In addition, what is the max that these CPUs can be overclocked without
| damaging them or decreasing their lifetimes?
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| No offense but please respond with reasonable answers & keep out the
| jokes, off-topic nonsense, taunts, insults, and trivializations. I am
| really interested in this.
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| If I am not answered properly I might go insane and do something
| everyone -- including me -- will eternally regret.
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| Thanks,
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| Radium >> Stay informed about: Please answer me -- overclock but undervolt -- safe? How m.. |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Please answer me -- overclock but undervolt -- safe? How much? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Phil Weldon wrote:
> Asked and answered the first time you posted. And, by the way, you don't
> set the terms of a conversation here. A newsgroup is a group effort. Most
> participants in this group are very helpful and polite. In fact, yours is
> the most objectionable post I've seen here in years.
>
> Phil Weldon
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Since: May 21, 2007
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Please answer me -- overclock but undervolt -- safe? How much? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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If you drop the voltage to the CPU you may fry it because it will try to
draw more current in order to run itself, and, then, toast. NOT a good
idea.
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DaveW
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"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote in message
> Hi:
>
> Please answer my questions below. Please don't neglect this message.
>
> Is it possible to significantly decrease the heat generated by a "Pentium
> 4 570J/670 3.8 GHz processor" by using extreme undervolting without
> underclocking? How far can undervolting go before it causes trouble? What
> problems can result from undervolting? Can it damage the CPU or other
> parts of the PC?
>
> Also, can these processors be overclocked to 4 GHz while still being
> undervolted to the max tolerable? Does overclocking decrease the extent to
> which undervolting can be safely performed?
>
> In addition, what is the max that these CPUs can be overclocked without
> damaging them or decreasing their lifetimes?
>
> No offense but please respond with reasonable answers & keep out the
> jokes, off-topic nonsense, taunts, insults, and trivializations. I am
> really interested in this.
>
> If I am not answered properly I might go insane and do something
> everyone -- including me -- will eternally regret.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Radium >> Stay informed about: Please answer me -- overclock but undervolt -- safe? How m.. |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:00 pm
Post subject: Re: Please answer me -- overclock but undervolt -- safe? How much? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In comp.sys.intel Phil Weldon wrote:
> Asked and answered the first time you posted. And, by the way, you don't
> set the terms of a conversation here. A newsgroup is a group effort. Most
> participants in this group are very helpful and polite. In fact, yours is
> the most objectionable post I've seen here in years.
It's amusing to see that sort of complaint from someone top-posting.
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"What's the use of yearning for Elysian Fields when you know you can't get
'em, and would only let 'em out on building leases if you had 'em?" (WSG) >> Stay informed about: Please answer me -- overclock but undervolt -- safe? How m.. |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:00 pm
Post subject: Re: Please answer me -- overclock but undervolt -- safe? How much? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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'Nate Edel' wrote:
| It's amusing to see that sort of complaint from someone top-posting.
_____
I didn't feel like making the effort to trim the initial post, so consider
that my post came to me in a dream from Unknown Kadath
Phil Weldon
"Nate Edel" wrote in message
| In comp.sys.intel Phil Weldon wrote:
| > Asked and answered the first time you posted. And, by the way, you
don't
| > set the terms of a conversation here. A newsgroup is a group effort.
Most
| > participants in this group are very helpful and polite. In fact, yours
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| > the most objectionable post I've seen here in years.
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| It's amusing to see that sort of complaint from someone top-posting.
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| Nate Edel http://www.cubiclehermit.com/
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| "What's the use of yearning for Elysian Fields when you know you can't get
| 'em, and would only let 'em out on building leases if you had 'em?" (WSG) >> Stay informed about: Please answer me -- overclock but undervolt -- safe? How m.. |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:54 pm
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Top posting always seemed more logical to me.
Why should I have to scroll down through all the stuff I already read in the
last 20 posts.
Amir
"Nate Edel" wrote in message
> In comp.sys.intel Phil Weldon wrote:
>> Asked and answered the first time you posted. And, by the way, you don't
>> set the terms of a conversation here. A newsgroup is a group effort.
>> Most
>> participants in this group are very helpful and polite. In fact, yours
>> is
>> the most objectionable post I've seen here in years.
>
> It's amusing to see that sort of complaint from someone top-posting.
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> Nate Edel http://www.cubiclehermit.com/
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> "What's the use of yearning for Elysian Fields when you know you can't get
> 'em, and would only let 'em out on building leases if you had 'em?" (WSG) >> Stay informed about: Please answer me -- overclock but undervolt -- safe? How m.. |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:45 am
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"DaveW" wrote in message
> If you drop the voltage to the CPU you may fry it because it will try to
> draw more current in order to run itself, and, then, toast. NOT a good
> idea.
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> DaveW
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Rubbish again David. Todays processors will just become unstable or not
operate at lower voltages. They will NOT fry. Going too high with the
voltages is another matter.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:45 pm
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Amir Facade wrote:
> Top posting always seemed more logical to me.
> Why should I have to scroll down through all the stuff I already read in the
> last 20 posts.
>
> Amir
Translation:Amir cares nothing about the responses
of other people and does not care about mixing up
said responses in a random order.
Does that describe a sociopath???
Or a google groups nitwit????? >> Stay informed about: Please answer me -- overclock but undervolt -- safe? How m.. |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:45 pm
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Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Ed M. wrote:
>> "Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote in message
>>
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>>> Hi:
>>>
>>> Please answer my questions below. Please don't neglect this message.
>>>
>>> Is it possible to significantly decrease the heat generated by a
>>> "Pentium 4 570J/670 3.8 GHz processor" by using extreme undervolting
>>> without underclocking? How far can undervolting go before it causes
>>> trouble? What problems can result from undervolting? Can it damage
>>> the CPU or other parts of the PC?
>>>
>>> Also, can these processors be overclocked to 4 GHz while still being
>>> undervolted to the max tolerable? Does overclocking decrease the
>>> extent to which undervolting can be safely performed?
>>>
>>> In addition, what is the max that these CPUs can be overclocked
>>> without damaging them or decreasing their lifetimes?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have a 630 (EM64T_3ghz) that has been running at 3.6ghz for 2yrs or
>> more at stock vcore very happily, but any lowering of the vcore causes
>> immediate instability. These processors are "on the edge" so to speak
>> from the get go, so expect to underclock if you reduce the vcore. They
>> also tend to run a lot hotter than today's Core 2/Quad processors so
>> good cooling and airflow is a must.
>>
>>
>> Ed
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> Thank you all for your responses. Sorry I was harsh. I was having a bad
> day.
>
> I hate to be such a pest but I have a few more questions:
Which you can answer for yourself instead of asking someone else.
Sources for these items are online at many places, including newegg and
tigerdirect.
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> Of Intel's Pentium 4 570J 3.8 GHz processor and Intel's Pentium 4 670
> 3.8 GHz processor, which one is less expensive?
>
> What is the least expensive motherboard that is fully compatible with
> Intel's Pentium 4 570J 3.8 GHz processor?
>
> What is the least expensive motherboard that is fully compatible with
> Intel's Pentium 4 670 3.8 GHz processor?
>
> Which motherboard is less expensive?
>
> What the least expensive HDD that is fully compatible with Intel's
> Pentium 4 570J 3.8 GHz processor?
>
> What the least expensive HDD that is fully compatible with Intel's
> Pentium 4 670 3.8 GHz processor?
>
> Which HDD is less expensive?
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:45 pm
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Somewhere on the interweb "Sjouke Burry" typed:
> Amir Facade wrote:
> > Top posting always seemed more logical to me.
> > Why should I have to scroll down through all the stuff I already
> > read in the last 20 posts.
> >
> > Amir
> Translation:Amir cares nothing about the responses
> of other people and does not care about mixing up
> said responses in a random order.
> Does that describe a sociopath???
> Or a google groups nitwit?????
I prefer the term "Googletard". 
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