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Timothy Daniels

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard? Archived from groups: comp>sys>ibm>pc>hardware>storage (more info?)

Has anyone here booted a laptop using an external HD connected via an eSATA ExpressCard? The ExpressCard that I had been planning to use is this one by SIIG: http://siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=SC-SAEE22-S1 . But a call to SIIG indicates that the HD couldn't be used to boot a laptop, only to hold data. Has anyone here had better luck with this or any other eSATA ExpressCard? TimDaniels >> Stay informed about: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard?

Arno Wagner

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: Re: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Previously Timothy Daniels <SpamBucket RemoveThis @nospamplease.biz> wrote: > Has anyone here booted a laptop using an external HD > connected via an eSATA ExpressCard? The ExpressCard > that I had been planning to use is this one by SIIG: > http://siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=SC-SAEE22-S1 . > But a call to SIIG indicates that the HD couldn't be used to > boot a laptop, only to hold data. Has anyone here had > better luck with this or any other eSATA ExpressCard? > TimDaniels In principle these cards could be made bootable like any other PCI Express HDD controller. I think you should just look for one that claims to be bootable. Arno >> Stay informed about: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard?

Timothy Daniels

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: Re: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Arno Wagner" wrote: > Timothy Daniels wrote: >> Has anyone here booted a laptop using an external HD >> connected via an eSATA ExpressCard? The ExpressCard >> that I had been planning to use is this one by SIIG: >> http://siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=SC-SAEE22-S1 . >> But a call to SIIG indicates that the HD couldn't be used to >> boot a laptop, only to hold data. Has anyone here had >> better luck with this or any other eSATA ExpressCard? > >> TimDaniels > > In principle these cards could be made bootable like > any other PCI Express HDD controller. I think you > should just look for one that claims to be bootable. > > Arno IOW, the bootability lies with the ExpressCard and not in the laptop's BIOS? TimDaniels >> Stay informed about: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard?

Arno Wagner

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:33 am Post subject: Re: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Previously Timothy Daniels <SpamBucket RemoveThis @nospamplease.biz> wrote: > "Arno Wagner" wrote: >> Timothy Daniels wrote: >>> Has anyone here booted a laptop using an external HD >>> connected via an eSATA ExpressCard? The ExpressCard >>> that I had been planning to use is this one by SIIG: >>> http://siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=SC-SAEE22-S1 . >>> But a call to SIIG indicates that the HD couldn't be used to >>> boot a laptop, only to hold data. Has anyone here had >>> better luck with this or any other eSATA ExpressCard? >> >>> TimDaniels >> >> In principle these cards could be made bootable like >> any other PCI Express HDD controller. I think you >> should just look for one that claims to be bootable. >> >> Arno > IOW, the bootability lies with the ExpressCard and > not in the laptop's BIOS? The standard method is for the ExpressCard to have its own BIOS, which ''hooks'' into the system BIOS. An alternate (cheaper) method is to bring the card up in an IDE compatible mode that the laptop BIOS handles. This second method often does not work and does indeed depend on the laptop's BIOS. Arno >> Stay informed about: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard?

Rod Speed

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: Re: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Timothy Daniels <SpamBucket.DeleteThis@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote: > Has anyone here booted a laptop using an external HD > connected via an eSATA ExpressCard? The ExpressCard > that I had been planning to use is this one by SIIG: > http://siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=SC-SAEE22-S1 . > But a call to SIIG indicates that the HD couldn't be used to > boot a laptop, only to hold data. Has anyone here had > better luck with this or any other eSATA ExpressCard? It aint just the card that matters, the laptop needs to be able to specify that you want to boot off the drive on the card too. That last isnt that common a capability at all. >> Stay informed about: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard?

Eric Gisin

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: Re: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message news:609bsmF1q24stU1@mid.individual.net... > Timothy Daniels <SpamBucket.TakeThisOut@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote: > >> Has anyone here booted a laptop using an external HD >> connected via an eSATA ExpressCard? The ExpressCard >> that I had been planning to use is this one by SIIG: >> http://siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=SC-SAEE22-S1 . >> But a call to SIIG indicates that the HD couldn't be used to >> boot a laptop, only to hold data. Has anyone here had >> better luck with this or any other eSATA ExpressCard? > > It aint just the card that matters, the laptop needs to be able > to specify that you want to boot off the drive on the card too. > That last isnt that common a capability at all. > There is the Int13 BIOS on the card, and the boot select options in the system BIOS. Are you saying the latter is not standard on laptops? >> Stay informed about: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard?

Rod Speed

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Eric Gisin <gisin.TakeThisOut@uniserve.com> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote >> Timothy Daniels <SpamBucket.TakeThisOut@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote >>> Has anyone here booted a laptop using an external HD >>> connected via an eSATA ExpressCard? The ExpressCard >>> that I had been planning to use is this one by SIIG: >>> http://siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=SC-SAEE22-S1 . >>> But a call to SIIG indicates that the HD couldn't be used to >>> boot a laptop, only to hold data. Has anyone here had >>> better luck with this or any other eSATA ExpressCard? >> It aint just the card that matters, the laptop needs to be able >> to specify that you want to boot off the drive on the card too. >> That last isnt that common a capability at all. > There is the Int13 BIOS on the card, and > the boot select options in the system BIOS. > Are you saying the latter is not standard on laptops? Yep, nothing like standard on laptops. >> Stay informed about: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard?

Rod Speed

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Timothy Daniels <SpamBucket.DeleteThis@NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote > Arno Wagner wrote >> Timothy Daniels wrote >>> Has anyone here booted a laptop using an external HD >>> connected via an eSATA ExpressCard? The ExpressCard >>> that I had been planning to use is this one by SIIG: >>> http://siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=SC-SAEE22-S1 . >>> But a call to SIIG indicates that the HD couldn't be used to >>> boot a laptop, only to hold data. Has anyone here had >>> better luck with this or any other eSATA ExpressCard? >> In principle these cards could be made bootable like >> any other PCI Express HDD controller. I think you >> should just look for one that claims to be bootable. > IOW, the bootability lies with the ExpressCard and not in the laptop's BIOS? Its more complicated than that with a LAPTOP. He doesnt appear to have noticed that you're talking about a laptop. >> Stay informed about: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard?

Folkert Rienstra

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Arno Wagner wrote in news:60a5vmF1pujqfU1@mid.individual.net > Previously Timothy Daniels <SpamBucket RemoveThis @nospamplease.biz> wrote: > > "Arno Wagner" wrote: > > > Timothy Daniels wrote: > > > > Has anyone here booted a laptop using an external HD > > > > connected via an eSATA ExpressCard? The ExpressCard > > > > that I had been planning to use is this one by SIIG: > > > > http://siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=SC-SAEE22-S1 . > > > > But a call to SIIG indicates that the HD couldn't be used to > > > > boot a laptop, only to hold data. Has anyone here had > > > > better luck with this or any other eSATA ExpressCard? > > > > > > > TimDaniels > > > > > > In principle these cards could be made bootable like > > > any other PCI Express HDD controller. I think you > > > should just look for one that claims to be bootable. > > > > > > Arno > > > > IOW, the bootability lies with the ExpressCard and > > not in the laptop's BIOS? > The standard method is for the ExpressCard to have its > own BIOS, which ''hooks'' into the system BIOS. An alternate > (cheaper) method is to bring the card up in an IDE compatible > mode that the laptop BIOS handles. This second method often > does not work and does indeed depend on the laptop's BIOS. Bwahahah. > > Arno >> Stay informed about: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard?

Folkert Rienstra

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Rod Speed wrote in news:60a63cF1pljd8U1@mid.individual.net > Timothy Daniels <SpamBucket DeleteThis @NoSpamPlease.biz> wrote > > Arno Wagner wrote > > > Timothy Daniels wrote > > > > > Has anyone here booted a laptop using an external HD > > > > connected via an eSATA ExpressCard? The ExpressCard > > > > that I had been planning to use is this one by SIIG: > > > > http://siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=SC-SAEE22-S1 . > > > > But a call to SIIG indicates that the HD couldn't be used to > > > > boot a laptop, only to hold data. Has anyone here had > > > > better luck with this or any other eSATA ExpressCard? > > > > In principle these cards could be made bootable like > > > any other PCI Express HDD controller. I think you > > > should just look for one that claims to be bootable. > > > IOW, the bootability lies with the ExpressCard and not in the laptop's BIOS? > > Its more complicated than that with a LAPTOP. > > He doesnt appear to have noticed that you're talking about a laptop. Which of course can't happen with a babblebot. So he cooked up a story, as always. >> Stay informed about: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard?

fatmann66

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

To start i haven't messed with the eSATA ExpressCard that much but, it sounds like you are running into the same issue that used to happen with PCMCIA NIC card in laptops before they were integrated into the MB. The issue was, on post the bay was never initialized because the pc didn't have any native driver that could access the slot preboot. So you could never do a PXE boot to a PCMCIA NIC. Once they integrated the NIC to the MB you were then able to boot from NIC and USB etc. this may be the case with your express card. Regards, fatmann66 P.S. Folkert Rienstra stated: > Which of course can't happen with a babblebot. Why is it that all the posts I read today that you posted on you have nothing constructive to say? You are always complaining about a poster being a "babblebot" when if fact your post are the most worthless of them all because they have nothing relevant to add to the conversation. >> Stay informed about: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard?

Bud

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

And how is your response any different except for trolling for the inevitable response this type of "question" always gets from the resident trolls: Roddles, Odiferous and the Babblebot? fatmann66 wrote > > P.S. Folkert Rienstra stated: > > Which of course can't happen with a babblebot. > Why is it that all the posts I read today that you posted on you have > nothing constructive to say? You are always complaining about a poster > being a "babblebot" when if fact your post are the most worthless of > them all because they have nothing relevant to add to the conversation. >> Stay informed about: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard?

Rod Speed

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: Re: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

fatmann66 <fatmann66 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote: > Folkert Rienstra stated >> Which of course can't happen with a babblebot. > Why is it that all the posts I read today that you > posted on you have nothing constructive to say? Because thats all he ever posts. > You are always complaining about a poster being a "babblebot" > when if fact your post are the most worthless of them all because > they have nothing relevant to add to the conversation. He's just some loon kept in a padded cell that escapes from it occasionally. >> Stay informed about: boot laptop with eSATA ExpressCard?

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