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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:10 am
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I'm shopping for a high capacity (512MB or 1 gig) for my new canon S1
IS, (I want to use its 640x480 movie capability, necessitating high
capacity). I see a few types on the market, I'm asking for info from
those that have experience or knowledge. I'm leaving brand name
considerations out, so as not to muddy the issue. So far, it looks
like the only significant difference between type I and type II is
the physical size; so if I get a type II it won't fit in my old canon
SD110. No biggy, really, I've resigned myself to get a type II. The S1
IS takes either one. So my concern is that I believe that taking
movies may REQUIRE a 'high speed' CF card, and the best I can deduce
is that the regular type will write maybe 6MB/sec, 'ultra' will write
at 9MB/sec, the 'extreme' claims 16MB/sec, but also has inernal
recovery s/w if the card fails.
A 512Mb CF card, roughly, goes for: regular type II, 100-125$. Ultra
type II, 175$. Extreme type II, 250$ !!!
Obviously, I'd rather not spend more money for speed I don't need, I
would think there's a memory buffer in the camera that acts as a
reservoir while it's filming, writing to the flash card as the flash
card can take it. But if there's any risk at all that the card is the
week point, I'm willing to spend the extra money for the 'ultra'. The
'extreme' sounds nice, but as we all know from the great 'steve's
review' (and others) site, there is third party recovery s/w available
to recover images from a failed card, so I'm dubious about the feature
of internal recovery s/w.
Please, talk to me!
thanks so much,
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:55 am
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"Rick S." <rnospamschilf.DeleteThis@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:nnumf0h42co67ravlc5i6vg1c5gpjh0ksr@4ax.com...
> I'm shopping for a high capacity (512MB or 1 gig) for my new canon S1
> IS, (I want to use its 640x480 movie capability, necessitating high
> capacity). I see a few types on the market, I'm asking for info from
> those that have experience or knowledge. I'm leaving brand name
> considerations out, so as not to muddy the issue. So far, it looks
> like the only significant difference between type I and type II is
> the physical size; so if I get a type II it won't fit in my old canon
> SD110. No biggy, really, I've resigned myself to get a type II.
Why? Get a Type 1 and use it in both your cameras. The S1's
movie mode is limited to either one hour, 1GB, or card capacity,
whichever occurs first, regardless of CF type.
> The S1
> IS takes either one. So my concern is that I believe that taking
> movies may REQUIRE a 'high speed' CF card, and the best I can deduce
> is that the regular type will write maybe 6MB/sec, 'ultra' will write
> at 9MB/sec, the 'extreme' claims 16MB/sec, but also has inernal
> recovery s/w if the card fails.
> A 512Mb CF card, roughly, goes for: regular type II, 100-125$. Ultra
> type II, 175$. Extreme type II, 250$ !!!
> Obviously, I'd rather not spend more money for speed I don't need, I
> would think there's a memory buffer in the camera that acts as a
> reservoir while it's filming, writing to the flash card as the flash
> card can take it. But if there's any risk at all that the card is the
> week point, I'm willing to spend the extra money for the 'ultra'. The
> 'extreme' sounds nice, but as we all know from the great 'steve's
> review' (and others) site, there is third party recovery s/w available
> to recover images from a failed card, so I'm dubious about the feature
> of internal recovery s/w.
> Please, talk to me!
> thanks so much,
> Rick
We just went through this process a few months ago. Canon
Labs claims the S1's movie mode at full resolution and frame
rate writes to a CF card at a maximum of just over 1.2MB/s,
and usually less. That's how fast your CF card should be to
avoid problems. It works out to an "8X" card or better.
We opted for a 1GB Sandisk Ultra (Type 1), which was way
overkill, but we haven't run into any problems with the S1's
movie mode, and most other memory functions on the
camera are much faster as well (reviewing, transferring etc).
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:37 pm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:01 am
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When the card has failed internally it can ressurect it's own data? Sound's
pretty weird to me...LOL
"Rick S." <rnospamschilf.TakeThisOut@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:nnumf0h42co67ravlc5i6vg1c5gpjh0ksr@4ax.com...
> I'm shopping for a high capacity (512MB or 1 gig) for my new canon S1
> IS, (I want to use its 640x480 movie capability, necessitating high
> capacity). I see a few types on the market, I'm asking for info from
> those that have experience or knowledge. I'm leaving brand name
> considerations out, so as not to muddy the issue. So far, it looks
> like the only significant difference between type I and type II is
> the physical size; so if I get a type II it won't fit in my old canon
> SD110. No biggy, really, I've resigned myself to get a type II. The S1
> IS takes either one. So my concern is that I believe that taking
> movies may REQUIRE a 'high speed' CF card, and the best I can deduce
> is that the regular type will write maybe 6MB/sec, 'ultra' will write
> at 9MB/sec, the 'extreme' claims 16MB/sec, but also has inernal
> recovery s/w if the card fails.
> A 512Mb CF card, roughly, goes for: regular type II, 100-125$. Ultra
> type II, 175$. Extreme type II, 250$ !!!
> Obviously, I'd rather not spend more money for speed I don't need, I
> would think there's a memory buffer in the camera that acts as a
> reservoir while it's filming, writing to the flash card as the flash
> card can take it. But if there's any risk at all that the card is the
> week point, I'm willing to spend the extra money for the 'ultra'. The
> 'extreme' sounds nice, but as we all know from the great 'steve's
> review' (and others) site, there is third party recovery s/w available
> to recover images from a failed card, so I'm dubious about the feature
> of internal recovery s/w.
> Please, talk to me!
> thanks so much,
> Rick
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:35 am
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"Rick S." <rnospamschilf DeleteThis @pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:nnumf0h42co67ravlc5i6vg1c5gpjh0ksr@4ax.com...
> I'm shopping for a high capacity (512MB or 1 gig) for my new canon S1
> IS, (I want to use its 640x480 movie capability, necessitating high
> capacity). I see a few types on the market, I'm asking for info from
> those that have experience or knowledge. I'm leaving brand name
> considerations out, so as not to muddy the issue. So far, it looks
> like the only significant difference between type I and type II is
> the physical size; so if I get a type II it won't fit in my old canon
> SD110. No biggy, really, I've resigned myself to get a type II. The S1
> IS takes either one. So my concern is that I believe that taking
> movies may REQUIRE a 'high speed' CF card, and the best I can deduce
> is that the regular type will write maybe 6MB/sec, 'ultra' will write
> at 9MB/sec, the 'extreme' claims 16MB/sec, but also has inernal
> recovery s/w if the card fails.
> A 512Mb CF card, roughly, goes for: regular type II, 100-125$. Ultra
> type II, 175$. Extreme type II, 250$ !!!
> Obviously, I'd rather not spend more money for speed I don't need, I
> would think there's a memory buffer in the camera that acts as a
> reservoir while it's filming, writing to the flash card as the flash
> card can take it. But if there's any risk at all that the card is the
> week point, I'm willing to spend the extra money for the 'ultra'. The
> 'extreme' sounds nice, but as we all know from the great 'steve's
> review' (and others) site, there is third party recovery s/w available
> to recover images from a failed card, so I'm dubious about the feature
> of internal recovery s/w.
> Please, talk to me!
> thanks so much,
> Rick
>
Why wrack your brain over stuff like this? If you're looking at spending
$200-300, just get a camcorder. Camcorder=Video, Digicam=Stills. Got it?
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:16 am
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Then you can figure out how long those minitapes are and then figure out how
to get them on your computer. I few hundred dollars worth of gadgets should
digitize your movies into the lowest resolution you have ever seen.
"Ron" <rkrebs1.DeleteThis@rcn.com> wrote in message
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> "Rick S." <rnospamschilf.DeleteThis@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:nnumf0h42co67ravlc5i6vg1c5gpjh0ksr@4ax.com...
> > I'm shopping for a high capacity (512MB or 1 gig) for my new canon S1
> > IS, (I want to use its 640x480 movie capability, necessitating high
> > capacity). I see a few types on the market, I'm asking for info from
> > those that have experience or knowledge. I'm leaving brand name
> > considerations out, so as not to muddy the issue. So far, it looks
> > like the only significant difference between type I and type II is
> > the physical size; so if I get a type II it won't fit in my old canon
> > SD110. No biggy, really, I've resigned myself to get a type II. The S1
> > IS takes either one. So my concern is that I believe that taking
> > movies may REQUIRE a 'high speed' CF card, and the best I can deduce
> > is that the regular type will write maybe 6MB/sec, 'ultra' will write
> > at 9MB/sec, the 'extreme' claims 16MB/sec, but also has inernal
> > recovery s/w if the card fails.
> > A 512Mb CF card, roughly, goes for: regular type II, 100-125$. Ultra
> > type II, 175$. Extreme type II, 250$ !!!
> > Obviously, I'd rather not spend more money for speed I don't need, I
> > would think there's a memory buffer in the camera that acts as a
> > reservoir while it's filming, writing to the flash card as the flash
> > card can take it. But if there's any risk at all that the card is the
> > week point, I'm willing to spend the extra money for the 'ultra'. The
> > 'extreme' sounds nice, but as we all know from the great 'steve's
> > review' (and others) site, there is third party recovery s/w available
> > to recover images from a failed card, so I'm dubious about the feature
> > of internal recovery s/w.
> > Please, talk to me!
> > thanks so much,
> > Rick
> >
>
> Why wrack your brain over stuff like this? If you're looking at spending
> $200-300, just get a camcorder. Camcorder=Video, Digicam=Stills. Got it?
>
> Ron
>
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:11 am
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"Gymmy Bob" <nospamming.TakeThisOut@bite.me> wrote in message
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> Then you can figure out how long those minitapes are and then figure out
how
> to get them on your computer. I few hundred dollars worth of gadgets
should
> digitize your movies into the lowest resolution you have ever seen.
>
> "Ron" <rkrebs1.TakeThisOut@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:40fd11a4$0$5634$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
> >
> > "Rick S." <rnospamschilf.TakeThisOut@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:nnumf0h42co67ravlc5i6vg1c5gpjh0ksr@4ax.com...
> > > I'm shopping for a high capacity (512MB or 1 gig) for my new canon S1
> > > IS, (I want to use its 640x480 movie capability, necessitating high
> > > capacity). I see a few types on the market, I'm asking for info from
> > > those that have experience or knowledge. I'm leaving brand name
> > > considerations out, so as not to muddy the issue. So far, it looks
> > > like the only significant difference between type I and type II is
> > > the physical size; so if I get a type II it won't fit in my old canon
> > > SD110. No biggy, really, I've resigned myself to get a type II. The S1
> > > IS takes either one. So my concern is that I believe that taking
> > > movies may REQUIRE a 'high speed' CF card, and the best I can deduce
> > > is that the regular type will write maybe 6MB/sec, 'ultra' will write
> > > at 9MB/sec, the 'extreme' claims 16MB/sec, but also has inernal
> > > recovery s/w if the card fails.
> > > A 512Mb CF card, roughly, goes for: regular type II, 100-125$. Ultra
> > > type II, 175$. Extreme type II, 250$ !!!
> > > Obviously, I'd rather not spend more money for speed I don't need, I
> > > would think there's a memory buffer in the camera that acts as a
> > > reservoir while it's filming, writing to the flash card as the flash
> > > card can take it. But if there's any risk at all that the card is the
> > > week point, I'm willing to spend the extra money for the 'ultra'. The
> > > 'extreme' sounds nice, but as we all know from the great 'steve's
> > > review' (and others) site, there is third party recovery s/w available
> > > to recover images from a failed card, so I'm dubious about the feature
> > > of internal recovery s/w.
> > > Please, talk to me!
> > > thanks so much,
> > > Rick
> > >
> >
> > Why wrack your brain over stuff like this? If you're looking at spending
> > $200-300, just get a camcorder. Camcorder=Video, Digicam=Stills. Got it?
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
>
>
Sorry, wrong again. The miniDV tapes are extremely easy to xfer to computer.
And there are many NLE programs that have built in capture options. What in
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:44 pm
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Please explain how you transfer the tape to your computer
"Ron" <rkrebs1.RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote in message
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> "Gymmy Bob" <nospamming.RemoveThis@bite.me> wrote in message
> news:D_ydnU3EfeZbXmDdRVn-jA@golden.net...
> > Then you can figure out how long those minitapes are and then figure out
> how
> > to get them on your computer. I few hundred dollars worth of gadgets
> should
> > digitize your movies into the lowest resolution you have ever seen.
> >
> > "Ron" <rkrebs1.RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote in message
> > news:40fd11a4$0$5634$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
> > >
> > > "Rick S." <rnospamschilf.RemoveThis@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > > news:nnumf0h42co67ravlc5i6vg1c5gpjh0ksr@4ax.com...
> > > > I'm shopping for a high capacity (512MB or 1 gig) for my new canon
S1
> > > > IS, (I want to use its 640x480 movie capability, necessitating high
> > > > capacity). I see a few types on the market, I'm asking for info
from
> > > > those that have experience or knowledge. I'm leaving brand name
> > > > considerations out, so as not to muddy the issue. So far, it looks
> > > > like the only significant difference between type I and type II is
> > > > the physical size; so if I get a type II it won't fit in my old
canon
> > > > SD110. No biggy, really, I've resigned myself to get a type II. The
S1
> > > > IS takes either one. So my concern is that I believe that taking
> > > > movies may REQUIRE a 'high speed' CF card, and the best I can deduce
> > > > is that the regular type will write maybe 6MB/sec, 'ultra' will
write
> > > > at 9MB/sec, the 'extreme' claims 16MB/sec, but also has inernal
> > > > recovery s/w if the card fails.
> > > > A 512Mb CF card, roughly, goes for: regular type II, 100-125$. Ultra
> > > > type II, 175$. Extreme type II, 250$ !!!
> > > > Obviously, I'd rather not spend more money for speed I don't need, I
> > > > would think there's a memory buffer in the camera that acts as a
> > > > reservoir while it's filming, writing to the flash card as the flash
> > > > card can take it. But if there's any risk at all that the card is
the
> > > > week point, I'm willing to spend the extra money for the 'ultra'.
The
> > > > 'extreme' sounds nice, but as we all know from the great 'steve's
> > > > review' (and others) site, there is third party recovery s/w
available
> > > > to recover images from a failed card, so I'm dubious about the
feature
> > > > of internal recovery s/w.
> > > > Please, talk to me!
> > > > thanks so much,
> > > > Rick
> > > >
> > >
> > > Why wrack your brain over stuff like this? If you're looking at
spending
> > > $200-300, just get a camcorder. Camcorder=Video, Digicam=Stills. Got
it?
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> Sorry, wrong again. The miniDV tapes are extremely easy to xfer to
computer.
> And there are many NLE programs that have built in capture options. What
in
> hell are you talking about?
>
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:04 pm
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"Gymmy Bob" <nospamming.RemoveThis@bite.me> wrote in message
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> Please explain how you transfer the tape to your computer
>
> "Ron" <rkrebs1.RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:40fddeec$0$5631$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
> >
> > "Gymmy Bob" <nospamming.RemoveThis@bite.me> wrote in message
> > news:D_ydnU3EfeZbXmDdRVn-jA@golden.net...
> > > Then you can figure out how long those minitapes are and then figure
out
> > how
> > > to get them on your computer. I few hundred dollars worth of gadgets
> > should
> > > digitize your movies into the lowest resolution you have ever seen.
> > >
> > > "Ron" <rkrebs1.RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote in message
> > > news:40fd11a4$0$5634$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Rick S." <rnospamschilf.RemoveThis@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:nnumf0h42co67ravlc5i6vg1c5gpjh0ksr@4ax.com...
> > > > > I'm shopping for a high capacity (512MB or 1 gig) for my new canon
> S1
> > > > > IS, (I want to use its 640x480 movie capability, necessitating
high
> > > > > capacity). I see a few types on the market, I'm asking for info
> from
> > > > > those that have experience or knowledge. I'm leaving brand name
> > > > > considerations out, so as not to muddy the issue. So far, it
looks
> > > > > like the only significant difference between type I and type II
is
> > > > > the physical size; so if I get a type II it won't fit in my old
> canon
> > > > > SD110. No biggy, really, I've resigned myself to get a type II.
The
> S1
> > > > > IS takes either one. So my concern is that I believe that taking
> > > > > movies may REQUIRE a 'high speed' CF card, and the best I can
deduce
> > > > > is that the regular type will write maybe 6MB/sec, 'ultra' will
> write
> > > > > at 9MB/sec, the 'extreme' claims 16MB/sec, but also has inernal
> > > > > recovery s/w if the card fails.
> > > > > A 512Mb CF card, roughly, goes for: regular type II, 100-125$.
Ultra
> > > > > type II, 175$. Extreme type II, 250$ !!!
> > > > > Obviously, I'd rather not spend more money for speed I don't need,
I
> > > > > would think there's a memory buffer in the camera that acts as a
> > > > > reservoir while it's filming, writing to the flash card as the
flash
> > > > > card can take it. But if there's any risk at all that the card is
> the
> > > > > week point, I'm willing to spend the extra money for the 'ultra'.
> The
> > > > > 'extreme' sounds nice, but as we all know from the great 'steve's
> > > > > review' (and others) site, there is third party recovery s/w
> available
> > > > > to recover images from a failed card, so I'm dubious about the
> feature
> > > > > of internal recovery s/w.
> > > > > Please, talk to me!
> > > > > thanks so much,
> > > > > Rick
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Why wrack your brain over stuff like this? If you're looking at
> spending
> > > > $200-300, just get a camcorder. Camcorder=Video, Digicam=Stills. Got
> it?
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Sorry, wrong again. The miniDV tapes are extremely easy to xfer to
> computer.
> > And there are many NLE programs that have built in capture options. What
> in
> > hell are you talking about?
> >
> >
>
>
Are you one of the 4400? How long have you been out of touch with
humanity/technology? Well, where should I start? There's this thing called
Firewire. No, the cable does not actually ignite. So don't get excited(like
the time you found out about toilet paper...no more corncobs). What? You say
you don't have FW? Hmm, bet you're thinking, "here comes the few hundred
dollars purchase" that you alluded to earlier. Now, I know this might
postpone the $15.95 Kentucky Fried Chicken spread you planned for your
sister's wedding to your cousin who just got over a messy divorce from his
sister, but guess what?? The FW card costs less!!! Hot damn! Next, they have
these new-fangled motion picture thingys called camcorders. Now, as you sit
back scratching those nasty fleas, I'll try to explain this in layman's
terms. There's this tiny hole in the camcorder called an AV port(actually
it's an IEEE 1394 firewire port but I won't make you more dizzy with the
details). Welp, you just stick one end of the FW cable into the camera and
the other end into the FW port in the back of your computer. Yep, just slide
'er right in, sorta how you connect to ol' Bessie after you milk her. So, at
this point, if you haven't fallen asleep with visions of "The King" dancing
in yur noggin', we come to the part of the schoolin' where I list, oh, about
fifteen or so programs that somehow "magically" transfer the digital signal
on the miniDV tape via an onboard digitizer(called DV/IN) pass-through,
right smack dab to your 'puter. In no particular order there's Adobe
Premiere Pro, Sony Vegas 5.0, WinDV, AVI_IO, DVIO, Home DV SenseCapture,
ScenalyzerLive, Ulead Studio, Pinnacle, DVapp, Windows Moviemaker,
EditStudio, Exsate VideoExpress, mpegable X4 Live, neoDVD, ad nauseum. When
your 'corder is connected to your 'puter and you flip the camera switch to
VCR, the particular capture program opens automatically(this is providing
you've recently upgraded from Windows 3.11 to XP). Some of these thar gizmo
programs actually will detect the scenes in your recording as it is
transferred to your computer as an AVI file(which is nothing more than a
generic "container" format, if you will, non-compressed) ready for you to
edit and convert to MPEG format. "Well, confound it! That's gonna cost me a
few hundred dollars," you say? Not so, my Ozark friend. Turn down Hank
Williams for a sec and listen up good. Several of these modern-day pandoras
are actually free. Yep, free, just like the two-for-one specials yur momma
gives down at the local watering hole on a Saturday night. Hope this helps.
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That helps but, not many non Mac users have firewire and also I have never
seen a camcorder with a firewire interface. Why would they put such an
uncommon i/f port on a camcorder? Pure speed before the USB hole had it I
guess.
So these new fandangled camcorders have this firewire port/hole and can
acyually convert their analogue magnetics on the minitape back to a digital
signal and transmit it into a modern computer to be store in a file of
some sort to be massaged by a programme of a sort as a video?
Well I'll be dog goned, dab nabbit all!
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> "Gymmy Bob" <nospamming.DeleteThis@bite.me> wrote in message
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> > Please explain how you transfer the tape to your computer
> >
> > "Ron" <rkrebs1.DeleteThis@rcn.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Gymmy Bob" <nospamming.DeleteThis@bite.me> wrote in message
> > > news:D_ydnU3EfeZbXmDdRVn-jA@golden.net...
> > > > Then you can figure out how long those minitapes are and then figure
> out
> > > how
> > > > to get them on your computer. I few hundred dollars worth of gadgets
> > > should
> > > > digitize your movies into the lowest resolution you have ever seen.
> > > >
> > > > "Ron" <rkrebs1.DeleteThis@rcn.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:40fd11a4$0$5634$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Rick S." <rnospamschilf.DeleteThis@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:nnumf0h42co67ravlc5i6vg1c5gpjh0ksr@4ax.com...
> > > > > > I'm shopping for a high capacity (512MB or 1 gig) for my new
canon
> > S1
> > > > > > IS, (I want to use its 640x480 movie capability, necessitating
> high
> > > > > > capacity). I see a few types on the market, I'm asking for info
> > from
> > > > > > those that have experience or knowledge. I'm leaving brand name
> > > > > > considerations out, so as not to muddy the issue. So far, it
> looks
> > > > > > like the only significant difference between type I and type II
> is
> > > > > > the physical size; so if I get a type II it won't fit in my old
> > canon
> > > > > > SD110. No biggy, really, I've resigned myself to get a type II.
> The
> > S1
> > > > > > IS takes either one. So my concern is that I believe that
taking
> > > > > > movies may REQUIRE a 'high speed' CF card, and the best I can
> deduce
> > > > > > is that the regular type will write maybe 6MB/sec, 'ultra' will
> > write
> > > > > > at 9MB/sec, the 'extreme' claims 16MB/sec, but also has inernal
> > > > > > recovery s/w if the card fails.
> > > > > > A 512Mb CF card, roughly, goes for: regular type II, 100-125$.
> Ultra
> > > > > > type II, 175$. Extreme type II, 250$ !!!
> > > > > > Obviously, I'd rather not spend more money for speed I don't
need,
> I
> > > > > > would think there's a memory buffer in the camera that acts as a
> > > > > > reservoir while it's filming, writing to the flash card as the
> flash
> > > > > > card can take it. But if there's any risk at all that the card
is
> > the
> > > > > > week point, I'm willing to spend the extra money for the
'ultra'.
> > The
> > > > > > 'extreme' sounds nice, but as we all know from the great
'steve's
> > > > > > review' (and others) site, there is third party recovery s/w
> > available
> > > > > > to recover images from a failed card, so I'm dubious about the
> > feature
> > > > > > of internal recovery s/w.
> > > > > > Please, talk to me!
> > > > > > thanks so much,
> > > > > > Rick
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Why wrack your brain over stuff like this? If you're looking at
> > spending
> > > > > $200-300, just get a camcorder. Camcorder=Video, Digicam=Stills.
Got
> > it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sorry, wrong again. The miniDV tapes are extremely easy to xfer to
> > computer.
> > > And there are many NLE programs that have built in capture options.
What
> > in
> > > hell are you talking about?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> Are you one of the 4400? How long have you been out of touch with
> humanity/technology? Well, where should I start? There's this thing called
> Firewire. No, the cable does not actually ignite. So don't get
excited(like
> the time you found out about toilet paper...no more corncobs). What? You
say
> you don't have FW? Hmm, bet you're thinking, "here comes the few hundred
> dollars purchase" that you alluded to earlier. Now, I know this might
> postpone the $15.95 Kentucky Fried Chicken spread you planned for your
> sister's wedding to your cousin who just got over a messy divorce from his
> sister, but guess what?? The FW card costs less!!! Hot damn! Next, they
have
> these new-fangled motion picture thingys called camcorders. Now, as you
sit
> back scratching those nasty fleas, I'll try to explain this in layman's
> terms. There's this tiny hole in the camcorder called an AV port(actually
> it's an IEEE 1394 firewire port but I won't make you more dizzy with the
> details). Welp, you just stick one end of the FW cable into the camera and
> the other end into the FW port in the back of your computer. Yep, just
slide
> 'er right in, sorta how you connect to ol' Bessie after you milk her. So,
at
> this point, if you haven't fallen asleep with visions of "The King"
dancing
> in yur noggin', we come to the part of the schoolin' where I list, oh,
about
> fifteen or so programs that somehow "magically" transfer the digital
signal
> on the miniDV tape via an onboard digitizer(called DV/IN) pass-through,
> right smack dab to your 'puter. In no particular order there's Adobe
> Premiere Pro, Sony Vegas 5.0, WinDV, AVI_IO, DVIO, Home DV SenseCapture,
> ScenalyzerLive, Ulead Studio, Pinnacle, DVapp, Windows Moviemaker,
> EditStudio, Exsate VideoExpress, mpegable X4 Live, neoDVD, ad nauseum.
When
> your 'corder is connected to your 'puter and you flip the camera switch to
> VCR, the particular capture program opens automatically(this is providing
> you've recently upgraded from Windows 3.11 to XP). Some of these thar
gizmo
> programs actually will detect the scenes in your recording as it is
> transferred to your computer as an AVI file(which is nothing more than a
> generic "container" format, if you will, non-compressed) ready for you to
> edit and convert to MPEG format. "Well, confound it! That's gonna cost me
a
> few hundred dollars," you say? Not so, my Ozark friend. Turn down Hank
> Williams for a sec and listen up good. Several of these modern-day
pandoras
> are actually free. Yep, free, just like the two-for-one specials yur momma
> gives down at the local watering hole on a Saturday night. Hope this
helps.
>
> Ron
>
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:56 am
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:37:14 GMT, "marlin"
<marlinspike.nospam DeleteThis @verizon.net.nospam> wrote:
>"Rick S." <rnospamschilf DeleteThis @pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>> A 512Mb CF card, roughly, goes for: regular type II, 100-125$. Ultra
>> type II, 175$. Extreme type II, 250$ !!!
>
>Who sells ultra and extreme versions of CF type II?
>Richard
>
pricegrabber.com has a pretty good selection, Sandisk ultras and
extremes, type I and type II.
The prices I put in my post were meant to be rhetorical, that's why I
said 'roughly', 'cause I was more interested in talking about types
and write speed, etc. I shouldn't have mentioned price; price is the
easiest thing to go find on the internet. Posting wording lesson
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:09 am
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:35:49 -0400, "Ron" <rkrebs1.DeleteThis@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>"Rick S." <rnospamschilf.DeleteThis@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:nnumf0h42co67ravlc5i6vg1c5gpjh0ksr@4ax.com...
>> I'm shopping for a high capacity (512MB or 1 gig) for my new canon S1
>> IS, (I want to use its 640x480 movie capability, necessitating high
>> capacity). I see a few types on the market, I'm asking for info from
>> those that have experience or knowledge. I'm leaving brand name
>> considerations out, so as not to muddy the issue. So far, it looks
>> like the only significant difference between type I and type II is
>> the physical size; so if I get a type II it won't fit in my old canon
>> SD110. No biggy, really, I've resigned myself to get a type II. The S1
>> IS takes either one. So my concern is that I believe that taking
>> movies may REQUIRE a 'high speed' CF card, and the best I can deduce
>> is that the regular type will write maybe 6MB/sec, 'ultra' will write
>> at 9MB/sec, the 'extreme' claims 16MB/sec, but also has inernal
>> recovery s/w if the card fails.
>> A 512Mb CF card, roughly, goes for: regular type II, 100-125$. Ultra
>> type II, 175$. Extreme type II, 250$ !!!
>> Obviously, I'd rather not spend more money for speed I don't need, I
>> would think there's a memory buffer in the camera that acts as a
>> reservoir while it's filming, writing to the flash card as the flash
>> card can take it. But if there's any risk at all that the card is the
>> week point, I'm willing to spend the extra money for the 'ultra'. The
>> 'extreme' sounds nice, but as we all know from the great 'steve's
>> review' (and others) site, there is third party recovery s/w available
>> to recover images from a failed card, so I'm dubious about the feature
>> of internal recovery s/w.
>> Please, talk to me!
>> thanks so much,
>> Rick
>>
>
>Why wrack your brain over stuff like this? If you're looking at spending
>$200-300, just get a camcorder. Camcorder=Video, Digicam=Stills. Got it?
>
>Ron
>
You're right... I gave the wrong impression. I've had digiital cameras
for years, they all have all had some form of movie capability, and I
RARELY use the funtion; obviously, the res is low, eats memory,
etc.but its nice to have the capability if something comes up, because
I will never carry a video cam. I bought the
camera for stills, but it does happen to have one of the largest
frame size movie capability, so I don't want to prevent its useage by
buying a CF card that is too slow for it. Whether the CF speed would
even be the bottleneck, as opposed to camera buffer size, etc. is
what I'm trying to explore.
Rick
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:03 pm
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"Rick S." <rnospamschilf DeleteThis @pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:35:49 -0400, "Ron" <rkrebs1 DeleteThis @rcn.com> wrote:
>
> I will never carry a video cam.
Just curious. Why? With the compactness of todays's camcorders, it's hardly
considered carrying anything at all. Sony's handycams fit in your palm. The
output is fantastic.
>I bought the
> camera for stills, but it does happen to have one of the largest
> frame size movie capability, so I don't want to prevent its useage by
> buying a CF card that is too slow for it.
Really. I have what most reviewers consider to be the best motion picture
taking digicam on the market today (Fuji FinePix S7000 640 x 480 at 30fps)
and I still don't use it. Why? Because it's not what I consider good
video(doesn't zoom and output is mono, compressed, and underexposed). Sure
I'd like to have a 3-chip CCD prosumer videocamera. But my Sony TRV38 makes
excellent videos with very good stereo separation, manual/auto focusing and
20X optical zoom. No digital still camera can even come close to that kind
of capability/output. The miniDV is stored UN-compressed. Not so with
today's digicams. The latter compresses and stores them as MPEGs. YUCK!!
Before I convert to MPEG 1 or 2, I want to edit my recording. Besides,
anywhere I go, my better half is with me. And she's getting pretty darn good
at it. We'll alternate. She'll take video for awhile and I'll take the
stills. Then we'll switch. The techniques are decidely different. So she's
learning a lot. OTOH, the stills that my Sony handycam can take are, well,
they're just not worth mentioning. Hence, the need for a separate device
that specializes in just that intention. Until the day they can implant a
recording device inside my eyes, I'll carry specialized equipment. But to
each his own. The main thing is to have fun.
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"Ron" <rkrebs1.DeleteThis@rcn.com> wrote in message news:40ffbb2d$0$5629$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
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> "Rick S." <rnospamschilf.DeleteThis@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> > On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:35:49 -0400, "Ron" <rkrebs1.DeleteThis@rcn.com> wrote:
> >
> > I will never carry a video cam.
>
> Just curious. Why? With the compactness of todays's camcorders, it's hardly
> considered carrying anything at all. Sony's handycams fit in your palm. The
> output is fantastic.
>
>
> >I bought the
> > camera for stills, but it does happen to have one of the largest
> > frame size movie capability, so I don't want to prevent its useage by
> > buying a CF card that is too slow for it.
>
> Really. I have what most reviewers consider to be the best motion picture
> taking digicam on the market today (Fuji FinePix S7000 640 x 480 at 30fps)
Eh? Canon's S1 IS is also 640x480 @30fps, has 10x zoom
instead of 6x, and unlike the S7000 one can actually USE the
zoom during movie mode. It's also $300 less expensive.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:24 pm
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Hear, hear!
I totally agree with that one. If I can't fit it in my pocket and have it
with me, I can't use it now, can I?
Before Ron comments on the size of my pockets, specify which one is left. My
PDA is in one, My Blackberry is in another, Cell phone in the back, walkie
talkie in the other, GPS strapped to my belt and my 5 megapixel 10x zoom,
640x480 30fps miniature camera in the top one.
WTF will I carry my DSLR you recommend so highly and my Movie Cam? I gave up
my skateboard as a child and aren't gonna' pull one with camera shit on it.
I gave up that camera habit after I figured out I had no life.
My picture motto: Transparent or not at all.
"Rick S." <rnospamschilf.RemoveThis@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:35:49 -0400, "Ron" <rkrebs1.RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Rick S." <rnospamschilf.RemoveThis@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >news:nnumf0h42co67ravlc5i6vg1c5gpjh0ksr@4ax.com...
> >> I'm shopping for a high capacity (512MB or 1 gig) for my new canon S1
> >> IS, (I want to use its 640x480 movie capability, necessitating high
> >> capacity). I see a few types on the market, I'm asking for info from
> >> those that have experience or knowledge. I'm leaving brand name
> >> considerations out, so as not to muddy the issue. So far, it looks
> >> like the only significant difference between type I and type II is
> >> the physical size; so if I get a type II it won't fit in my old canon
> >> SD110. No biggy, really, I've resigned myself to get a type II. The S1
> >> IS takes either one. So my concern is that I believe that taking
> >> movies may REQUIRE a 'high speed' CF card, and the best I can deduce
> >> is that the regular type will write maybe 6MB/sec, 'ultra' will write
> >> at 9MB/sec, the 'extreme' claims 16MB/sec, but also has inernal
> >> recovery s/w if the card fails.
> >> A 512Mb CF card, roughly, goes for: regular type II, 100-125$. Ultra
> >> type II, 175$. Extreme type II, 250$ !!!
> >> Obviously, I'd rather not spend more money for speed I don't need, I
> >> would think there's a memory buffer in the camera that acts as a
> >> reservoir while it's filming, writing to the flash card as the flash
> >> card can take it. But if there's any risk at all that the card is the
> >> week point, I'm willing to spend the extra money for the 'ultra'. The
> >> 'extreme' sounds nice, but as we all know from the great 'steve's
> >> review' (and others) site, there is third party recovery s/w available
> >> to recover images from a failed card, so I'm dubious about the feature
> >> of internal recovery s/w.
> >> Please, talk to me!
> >> thanks so much,
> >> Rick
> >>
> >
> >Why wrack your brain over stuff like this? If you're looking at spending
> >$200-300, just get a camcorder. Camcorder=Video, Digicam=Stills. Got it?
> >
> >Ron
> >
> You're right... I gave the wrong impression. I've had digiital cameras
> for years, they all have all had some form of movie capability, and I
> RARELY use the funtion; obviously, the res is low, eats memory,
> etc.but its nice to have the capability if something comes up, because
> I will never carry a video cam. I bought the
> camera for stills, but it does happen to have one of the largest
> frame size movie capability, so I don't want to prevent its useage by
> buying a CF card that is too slow for it. Whether the CF speed would
> even be the bottleneck, as opposed to camera buffer size, etc. is
> what I'm trying to explore.
> Rick
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