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jaster1

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:19 pm
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Intel says this gets away from cpu speed ratings but most are still
marketed with a cpu speed, all have H/T and 512mb, 1mb or 2mb cache.
Aside from the 3xx replacing Celerons, 5xx replacing P4s and Centrinos,
has anyone found or can explain what are the product features that
differentiates the 5xx class? What is the difference 515 vs 520 or 520
vs 530 when cpu speeds are relatively the same.

Thanks

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:19 pm
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Forget about Intel's processors and buy an Athlon 64 or Opteron instead.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://techny.com/articles.cfm?getarticle=606&go=0.53769656" target="_blank">http://techny.com/articles.cfm?getarticle=606&go=0.53769656</a>

jaster wrote:

 > Intel says this gets away from cpu speed ratings but most are still
 > marketed with a cpu speed, all have H/T and 512mb, 1mb or 2mb cache.
 > Aside from the 3xx replacing Celerons, 5xx replacing P4s and Centrinos,
 > has anyone found or can explain what are the product features that
 > differentiates the 5xx class? What is the difference 515 vs 520 or 520
 > vs 530 when cpu speeds are relatively the same.
 >
 > Thanks<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:19 pm
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"jaster" <jaster RemoveThis @home.net> wrote in message
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 > Intel says this gets away from cpu speed ratings but most are still
 > marketed with a cpu speed, all have H/T and 512mb, 1mb or 2mb cache.
 > Aside from the 3xx replacing Celerons, 5xx replacing P4s and Centrinos,
 > has anyone found or can explain what are the product features that
 > differentiates the 5xx class? What is the difference 515 vs 520 or 520
 > vs 530 when cpu speeds are relatively the same.
 >
 > Thanks

Ummm . . . the differences are batching differences. (speeds and prices are
higher with higher numbers). For more information,

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040619/index.html" target="_blank">http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040619/index.html</a>

I think it's smart to get away from speed ratings. I mean, after about
400MHz or so, any processor has more power than anybody needs. So why
bother rating it for speed? If you want to make value comparisons, run
benchmarks. And if you work for AMD, trash Intel at every
pportunity. -Dave<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:19 pm
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goodbye jerome....

"JK" <JK9821 DeleteThis @netscape.net> wrote in message
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 > Forget about Intel's processors and buy an Athlon 64 or Opteron
instead.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://techny.com/articles.cfm?getarticle=606&go=0.53769656</font" target="_blank">http://techny.com/articles.cfm?getarticle=606&go=0.53769656</font</a>>
 >
 > jaster wrote:
 >
  > > Intel says this gets away from cpu speed ratings but most are
still
  > > marketed with a cpu speed, all have H/T and 512mb, 1mb or 2mb
cache.
  > > Aside from the 3xx replacing Celerons, 5xx replacing P4s and
Centrinos,
  > > has anyone found or can explain what are the product features that
  > > differentiates the 5xx class? What is the difference 515 vs 520
or 520
  > > vs 530 when cpu speeds are relatively the same.
  > >
  > > Thanks
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:10 am
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easy:
Intel use the GHZ frequency.
AMD use the XP speed.

"jaster" <jaster.TakeThisOut@home.net> wrote in message
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 > Intel says this gets away from cpu speed ratings but most are still
 > marketed with a cpu speed, all have H/T and 512mb, 1mb or 2mb cache.
 > Aside from the 3xx replacing Celerons, 5xx replacing P4s and Centrinos,
 > has anyone found or can explain what are the product features that
 > differentiates the 5xx class? What is the difference 515 vs 520 or 520
 > vs 530 when cpu speeds are relatively the same.
 >
 > Thanks<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:15 am
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The only difference between the various "5xx" seroes is the cpu speed in
GHz.

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"jaster" <jaster.TakeThisOut@home.net> wrote in message
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 > Intel says this gets away from cpu speed ratings but most are still
 > marketed with a cpu speed, all have H/T and 512mb, 1mb or 2mb cache.
 > Aside from the 3xx replacing Celerons, 5xx replacing P4s and Centrinos,
 > has anyone found or can explain what are the product features that
 > differentiates the 5xx class? What is the difference 515 vs 520 or 520
 > vs 530 when cpu speeds are relatively the same.
 >
 > Thanks<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:19 am
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Dave C. wrote:

 > "jaster" <jaster RemoveThis @home.net> wrote in message
 > news:pan.2004.10.14.18.24.25.820124@home.net...
 >
  >>Intel says this gets away from cpu speed ratings but most are still
  >>marketed with a cpu speed, all have H/T and 512mb, 1mb or 2mb cache.
  >>Aside from the 3xx replacing Celerons, 5xx replacing P4s and Centrinos,
  >>has anyone found or can explain what are the product features that
  >>differentiates the 5xx class? What is the difference 515 vs 520 or 520
  >>vs 530 when cpu speeds are relatively the same.
  >>
  >>Thanks
 >
 >
 > Ummm . . . the differences are batching differences. (speeds and prices are
 > higher with higher numbers). For more information,
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040619/index.html</font" target="_blank">http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040619/index.html</font</a>>
 >
 > I think it's smart to get away from speed ratings. I mean, after about
 > 400MHz or so, any processor has more power than anybody needs.

Speak for yourself, paleface.

I sure as heck don't want to encode video on a 400 Mhz processor.

 > So why
 > bother rating it for speed? If you want to make value comparisons, run
 > benchmarks. And if you work for AMD, trash Intel at every
 > pportunity. -Dave
 >
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:43 pm
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:41:43 -0400, JK wrote:

 > Forget about Intel's processors and buy an Athlon 64 or Opteron instead.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://techny.com/articles.cfm?getarticle=606&go=0.53769656</font" target="_blank">http://techny.com/articles.cfm?getarticle=606&go=0.53769656</font</a>>
 >
[snip]
  >> Thanks

Thanks JK and everyone.

I was curious how Intel expects someone to determine when a 530 cpu is
needed over 540 cpu other than the number or price is higher.

I read that article before and those on tomshardware and anatech.
Absolutely 939 chipset over 775 but it looks like in the 2.8 - 3.2ghz 478
platforms beat the AMD 64 3000-3400 non-939 platforms in OpenGl, Dx9,
encoding and now pricing. The performance differences are fairly close
between those Intels and the non-939 AMD 64s in other categories. After a
happy year or so on this XP2000 it's molasses encoding video and I
installed C&C Generals which unfortunately slows down to a crawl mid-play.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:43 pm
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jaster wrote:

 > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:41:43 -0400, JK wrote:
 >
  > > Forget about Intel's processors and buy an Athlon 64 or Opteron instead.
  > >
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://techny.com/articles.cfm?getarticle=606&go=0.53769656</font" target="_blank">http://techny.com/articles.cfm?getarticle=606&go=0.53769656</font</a>>
  > >
 > [snip]
   > >> Thanks
 >
 > Thanks JK and everyone.
 >
 > I was curious how Intel expects someone to determine when a 530 cpu is
 > needed over 540 cpu other than the number or price is higher.
 >
 > I read that article before and those on tomshardware and anatech.
 > Absolutely 939 chipset over 775 but it looks like in the 2.8 - 3.2ghz 478
 > platforms beat the AMD 64 3000-3400 non-939 platforms in OpenGl,

Not quite.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=10" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=10</a>

 > Dx9,

They look even here.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=8" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=8</a>

 >
 > encoding

Encoding will probably benefit greatly from the move to 64 bit software.

I expect the Athlon 64 running 64 bit software to beat comparably priced
Pentium 4 chips running 32 bit software. I also expect Athlon 64 and Opteron
chips to beat comparably priced 64 bit Pentium 4 and 64 bit Xeon chips
running 64 bit encoding software.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2163&p=1" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2163&p=1</a>

 > and now pricing.





 > The performance differences are fairly close
 > between those Intels and the non-939 AMD 64s in other categories.

Not really. Notice that a $150 Athlon 64 3000+ socket 754 beats an
$815 Pentium 4 3.2 ghz EE in Doom 3.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2149&p=7" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2149&p=7</a>

Notice that a $185 Athlon 64 3200+ socket 754 beats a $1000
Pentium 4 3.4 ghz EE in Business Winstone 2004.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=6" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=6</a>

 > After a
 > happy year or so on this XP2000 it's molasses encoding video and I
 > installed C&C Generals which unfortunately slows down to a crawl mid-play.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:03 pm
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Geez, I'm gonna have to write a macro or something, if this keeps up.

OK, I am totally fucking FED UP with all these morons insisting that AMD is
faster and cheaper than Intel, PERIOD. I am a HUGE AMD fan. So it's
incredibly ironic that I should feel compelled to defend Intel against
repetitive, undeserved LIES posted on this ng and others about how AMD chips
are both faster AND cheaper than Intel chips. At any particular point in
time, that might be true, but it hasn't been true for quite a while, and it
isn't true NOW. For anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass, or an
axe to grind, and wants to know the plain, simple truth, here it is:

Note: For anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass, or an axe to
grind, or isn't an employee of AMD:

According to www.pricewatch.com, same price range at the moment would be:

P4 3.2 Prescott vs. Athlon64 3200+ or

P4 3.4 Prescott vs. Athlon64 3400+

Beyond that range, you can pay up to several hundred dollars for either an
Intel or AMD chip, but hardly anybody gives a damn about those chips, as
hardly anybody spends as much on a processor as they do on the entire rest
of their system combined.

So the P4 3.2/3.4 and Athlon64 3200/3400 would be the best indicators of who
has the best bang for buck, at the moment.

Gaming: OpenGL: The Intel chips are much faster
Gaming: DX8: The AMD chips are faster, no doubt about it
Gaming: DX9: It's virtually a tie, as the AMD chips are two to three
TENTHS of a percentage point faster than Intel.
So on the gaming benchmarks, that's one win for Intel, one win for AMD and
one tie.
GAMING OVERALL: TIED

Business Applications: Office Applications: Intel blows AMD away
Business Applications: Internet Content Creation: Intel blows AMD away
Business Applications: Overall: Intel blows AMD away

Video Encoding: This one is so lopsided, AMD should have thrown in the
towel before entering the ring. Intel wins by a landslide.

Audio Encoding: Again, Intel wins by a landslide

Synthetic Benchmarks: (PC Mark 2004): Here, Intel blows AMD away on both
*CPU* and memory benchmarks

Even at the same price for CPU, an Intel system can be cheaper to
build, as the P4 boards are more mature at this point, and thus there are
better bargains to be found. Considering that an Intel system will likely
be cheaper to build and WILL perform better on all benchmarks except DX8,
it's kind of a no-brainer as to which chip to build with, at the moment.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040322/index.html

The following is an article on the Athlon 64 2800+. But more interesting
is,
the benchmarks included in the article are a GREAT comparison of the 3.2GHz
P4
processors with the Athlon64 3200+. In this article, these two processors
are
pretty evenly matched, with Intel being faster on some benchmarks, and AMD
being faster on others.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2038&p=1

Now lets look at what Sharky Extreme has to report in their article about
the
3.4GHz Prescott processor. This one has benchmarks that are a great
comparison
of the 3.4GHz Intel chips with the Athlon64 3400+. Here, you have to be
careful,
as Sharky doesn't organize their charts in order of fastest to slowest. And
on
some charts, LOWER scores are better. But if you read all the benchmarks,
you
will again notice that the two chips are pretty evenly matched, with AMD
faster
on some and Intel faster on others.

http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3261_3329681__1

Intel is better than AMD, at the moment. The only way AMD could change that
would be to drop their prices by 30% or better. -Dave, updated 10/2/04
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:07 am
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:44:22 -0400, JK wrote:


 >
[snip]
 >
  >>
  >> I was curious how Intel expects someone to determine when a 530 cpu is
  >> needed over 540 cpu other than the number or price is higher.

[snip]
 > Not quite.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=10</font" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=10</font</a>>
 >
 > They look even here.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=8</font" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2065&p=8</font</a>>
 >
 >
 > Encoding will probably benefit greatly from the move to 64 bit software.
 >
 > I expect the Athlon 64 running 64 bit software to beat comparably priced
 > Pentium 4 chips running 32 bit software. I also expect Athlon 64 and
 > Opteron chips to beat comparably priced 64 bit Pentium 4 and 64 bit Xeon
 > chips running 64 bit encoding software.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2163&p=1</font" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2163&p=1</font</a>>
 >

 > Not really. Notice that a $150 Athlon 64 3000+ socket 754 beats an $815
 > Pentium 4 3.2 ghz EE in Doom 3.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2149&p=7</font" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2149&p=7</font</a>>
 >
 > Notice that a $185 Athlon 64 3200+ socket 754 beats a $1000 Pentium 4
 > 3.4 ghz EE in Business Winstone 2004.
 >
 >
Thanks.

Sorry JK, I don't play Doom3 and I'm looking at the overall cpu
performance. The P4 EE are very expensive but the Northgate and Prescotts
are coming down in price compared to the 754 and 939 chipsets. I was
doing quite a bit of encoding for a while so that's important to me. The
865 and 875 chipsets are looking good and mature for the 478 chips.

I agree other than encoding the 754, 745, 865, 875 for 2.8 - 3.2ghz are
pretty evenly matched.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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