What's a good bargain in 3D gaming graphics card?

i think he has a pci slot only sys. most likly a compaq 5000 with no agp
slot. so no ati 9600 or 9700.
best bet so far is the 5500fx


"Tod" <no_spam_me.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>I was able to get a used ATI 9600 128MB AGP card for $41 (including
>shipping) off Ebay.
> Also a Nvidia 5200 Ultra is a good cheap card.
>
> "Doc" <docsavage20.DeleteThis@xhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> what's a good "bang for
>> the buck" gaming video card for PC? I don't have to have the latest
>> greatest, it can be an older card, just something that supports 3D
>> graphics and that I'm likely to find for a bargain on eBay. Under $100
>> ideally, under $50 would be even better.
>>
>> The
>> particular games I'm fooling with are Novalogic F-16/F-22/MiG combat
>> plane games. The onboard video works but doesn't support 3-D. I'm
>> running a Compaq PIII 933mhz w/WinXP home.
>>
>> Thanks for all shared wisdom.
>>
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"Doc" <docsavage20.DeleteThis@xhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> what's a good "bang for
> the buck" gaming video card for PC? I don't have to have the latest
> greatest, it can be an older card, just something that supports 3D
> graphics and that I'm likely to find for a bargain on eBay. Under $100
> ideally, under $50 would be even better.
>
> The
> particular games I'm fooling with are Novalogic F-16/F-22/MiG combat
> plane games. The onboard video works but doesn't support 3-D. I'm
> running a Compaq PIII 933mhz w/WinXP home.
>
> Thanks for all shared wisdom.
>


If you are a gamer, stop cross-posting to the matrox group. We are all
power-user hardcore professionals here. We don't play games and have other
priorities for our graphics cards other than 3D frame rates.

ss.
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:49:23 +0000 (UTC), "Synapse Syndrome"
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>
>"Doc" <docsavage20.DeleteThis@xhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> what's a good "bang for
>> the buck" gaming video card for PC? I don't have to have the latest
>> greatest, it can be an older card, just something that supports 3D
>> graphics and that I'm likely to find for a bargain on eBay. Under $100
>> ideally, under $50 would be even better.
>>
>> The
>> particular games I'm fooling with are Novalogic F-16/F-22/MiG combat
>> plane games. The onboard video works but doesn't support 3-D. I'm
>> running a Compaq PIII 933mhz w/WinXP home.
>>
>> Thanks for all shared wisdom.
>>
>
>
>If you are a gamer, stop cross-posting to the matrox group. We are all
>power-user hardcore professionals here. We don't play games and have other
>priorities for our graphics cards other than 3D frame rates.
>
>ss.
>


Maybe a Maxtrox Parhelia would be on topic!
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> "Doc" <docsavage20.TakeThisOut@xhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> what's a good "bang for
>> the buck" gaming video card for PC? I don't have to have the latest
>> greatest, it can be an older card, just something that supports 3D
>> graphics and that I'm likely to find for a bargain on eBay. Under $100
>> ideally, under $50 would be even better.
>>
>> The
>> particular games I'm fooling with are Novalogic F-16/F-22/MiG combat
>> plane games. The onboard video works but doesn't support 3-D. I'm
>> running a Compaq PIII 933mhz w/WinXP home.
>>
>> Thanks for all shared wisdom.
>>
>
>
> If you are a gamer, stop cross-posting to the matrox group. We are all
> power-user hardcore professionals here. We don't play games and have
> other priorities for our graphics cards other than 3D frame rates.
>
> ss.
Then why does Matrox sell their cards with stickers on them that talks about
what
great game gaming cards they make?
Remember the Matrox Mystique, it shipped with two game demos.
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Synapse Syndrome <synapse DeleteThis @NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote:
>
> If you are a gamer, stop cross-posting to the matrox group. We are
> all power-user hardcore professionals here. We don't play games and
> have other priorities for our graphics cards other than 3D frame
> rates.

With the triple-head Parhelia being one of the absolute best cards for
DX8 gaming, esp. flight simulators and FPS games, you are mistaken
(although you're right about frame rates -- as long as they're high
enough, it doesn't really matter all that much whether you get 50fps or
150fps. A movie is 24fps for comparision).

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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:03:23 -0400, "Arthur Hagen"
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>With the triple-head Parhelia being one of the absolute best cards for
>DX8 gaming, esp. flight simulators and FPS games, you are mistaken
>(although you're right about frame rates -- as long as they're high
>enough, it doesn't really matter all that much whether you get 50fps or
>150fps. A movie is 24fps for comparision).

LOL, please get a clue before spouting such rubbish in a public forum.
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Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:03:23 -0400, "Arthur Hagen"
> <art DeleteThis @broomstick.com> wrote:
>
>> With the triple-head Parhelia being one of the absolute best cards
>> for DX8 gaming, esp. flight simulators and FPS games, you are
>> mistaken (although you're right about frame rates -- as long as
>> they're high enough, it doesn't really matter all that much whether
>> you get 50fps or 150fps. A movie is 24fps for comparision).
>
> LOL, please get a clue before spouting such rubbish in a public forum.

Exactly *what* is rubbish here?

Having several hundred bought games, six PC's, and a handful of
$400-range cards from nVidia, ATI and Matrox, I think I'm qualified to
voice my opinion. What's /your/ background for your opinion? And what,
exactly *is* your opinion, for that matter, except trolling?

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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:06:32 -0400, "Arthur Hagen"
<art DeleteThis @broomstick.com> wrote:

>Having several hundred bought games, six PC's, and a handful of
>$400-range cards from nVidia, ATI and Matrox, I think I'm qualified to
>voice my opinion. What's /your/ background for your opinion? And what,
>exactly *is* your opinion, for that matter, except trolling?

Comparing movie fps (which in themselves are inadequate) to game fps
is rubbish.
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:03:23 -0400, "Arthur Hagen"
<art.TakeThisOut@broomstick.com> wrote:

>A movie is 24fps for comparision).

As comparison to a game it is useless data.
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Matrox video cards are not considered gaming cards by anyone who plays alot
of current games. They are fine for Tetris ,2D, and games more than three or
four years old.

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> >>
> >> what's a good "bang for
> >> the buck" gaming video card for PC? I don't have to have the latest
> >> greatest, it can be an older card, just something that supports 3D
> >> graphics and that I'm likely to find for a bargain on eBay. Under $100
> >> ideally, under $50 would be even better.
> >>
> >> The
> >> particular games I'm fooling with are Novalogic F-16/F-22/MiG combat
> >> plane games. The onboard video works but doesn't support 3-D. I'm
> >> running a Compaq PIII 933mhz w/WinXP home.
> >>
> >> Thanks for all shared wisdom.
> >>
> >
> >
> > If you are a gamer, stop cross-posting to the matrox group. We are all
> > power-user hardcore professionals here. We don't play games and have
> > other priorities for our graphics cards other than 3D frame rates.
> >
> > ss.
> Then why does Matrox sell their cards with stickers on them that talks
about
> what
> great game gaming cards they make?
> Remember the Matrox Mystique, it shipped with two game demos.
>
>
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dawg <don't look.RemoveThis@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Matrox video cards are not considered gaming cards by anyone who
> plays alot of current games.

I play a lot of games, and I consider the Parhelia a very fine gaming
card -- especially the games that can take advantage of three monitors
(of which there are several dozen). Having multiple PCs and cards from
both nVidia, ATI and Matrox, I think I'm qualified to voice my opinion.


I'd say "Matrox video cards are not considered gaming cards by people
who don't own one and want to justify *their* purchase".

> They are fine for Tetris ,2D, and games
> more than three or four years old.

Make that "one or two years old", and even then it's not entirely
true -- many newer games specifically list the Parhelia as supported
(although you won't get DX9 features if the games support that).
Flight Simulator 2004, for example, runs quite well on three monitors
with a Parhelia, and so do many other newer games. Of single-monitor
games, well GTA San Andreas works well, and Half-Life 2 too.
Some games I run on my nVidia 6800GT, which is _much_ faster and
supports advanced pixel shaders, while others run better on the Parhelia
with triple monitors and/or 16xFAA. If a game /requires/ pixel shaders
1.4 or higher, they won't run on a Parhelia (nor on a GF4 card, for that
matter).

No, you won't get top frame rates on a Matrox Parhelia compared to newer
cards (it's comparable to a GeForce Ti 4400 in speed -- slower for
low-res/noAA, and faster for high-res/full AA), and it doesn't support
DX9-only features. The Parhelia is still very much a gamer's card, for
games where 3 monitors is a distinct advantage compared to frame rates,
or where you combine gaming with multi-monitor work. Is it worth the
high price? Probably not, unless you also use it for video work or
Photoshop, where it definitely is a good card for the price.

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Fisher <fisher.DeleteThis@no_email.here> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:03:23 -0400, "Arthur Hagen"
> <art.DeleteThis@broomstick.com> wrote:
>
>> A movie is 24fps for comparision).
>
> As comparison to a game it is useless data.

That depends on the game. Not all games are action games where fast
reflexes makes a difference.

It also depends on the monitor -- if your LCD monitor can't update
faster than 25fps (like a 40ms LCD display) or even 62fps (16ms
display), it makes no difference whatsoever whether FRAPS reports 75 or
200 fps. Except that by generating all the unneccessary graphics that
is discarded, you steal resources that the game could use for other
things, like AI or pathfinding.

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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:05:50 -0400, "Arthur Hagen"
<art.RemoveThis@broomstick.com> wrote:


>>> A movie is 24fps for comparision).
>>
>> As comparison to a game it is useless data.
>
>That depends on the game. Not all games are action games where fast
>reflexes makes a difference.
>
>It also depends on the monitor -- if your LCD monitor can't update
>faster than 25fps (like a 40ms LCD display) or even 62fps (16ms
>display), it makes no difference whatsoever whether FRAPS reports 75 or
>200 fps. Except that by generating all the unneccessary graphics that
>is discarded, you steal resources that the game could use for other
>things, like AI or pathfinding.
>
>Regards,

Stop waffling. Just because 24fps appears smooth to you in a movie
doesn't mean it will in a game too. In fact it doesn't.
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