What's happened to this NG?

Franc Zabkar wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:18:31 GMT, Pipboy <no.TakeThisOut@email.invalid> put finger
> to keyboard and composed:
>
> >On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:23:57 +0100, The Lone Gunman wrote:
> >
> >> Just a lurker here wondering why posts have dropped to nearly zero in this
> >> group....what a damn shame.
> >
> >It's not just this group, just about all discussion groups are dropping in
> >post count and it's because many people prefer web forums.
>
>
> I've participated in some web based forums, but only in desperation.
> Yahoo Groups, for example, have some good hacking forums (eg Mediatek
> DVD firmware mods), but their content is invisible to Google.
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

It seems that some people have a lack of reading skills, by the very
act of replying to a Usenet thread you have to know about Usenet. I
agree that Yahoo needs to be searchable by google, if they want the
content to be useful. After all doesn't Google have like the majority
of the search engine market share. Wasn't there an article about what
happens if Google drops your site and the lack of traffic. Almost put a
site out of business, I do agree that Google groups is not Usenet. I
wish they would carry some of the alt.binaries.d discussion groups, but
I can see the reason why they don't have to agree with some of that
reasoning.

Rthoreau
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:46:00 +0100, The Lone Gunman wrote:


> BTW dude, this is NOT a "news" channel, it's a NG that enthusiasts such as
> myself come to to hear and discuss hardware and architecture (even software
> sometimes) related to the x86. Why would you think this is a "news only"
> NG? Later.

You ask a question and then you get bent out of shape when you get told the
truth. I suggest you go back to lurking, dillweed.
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Pipboy <no.RemoveThis@email.invalid> wrote:
: On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:46:00 +0100, The Lone Gunman wrote:
:
:
:: BTW dude, this is NOT a "news" channel, it's a NG that
:: enthusiasts such as myself come to to hear and discuss
:: hardware and architecture (even software sometimes) related
:: to the x86. Why would you think this is a "news only" NG?
:: Later.
:
: You ask a question and then you get bent out of shape when you
: get told the truth. I suggest you go back to lurking, dillweed.

Wait a minute....what's that sound? Ker-PLONK!
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> Not aware of Usenet? Then educate yourself! What bothers me is the lack of
> posts from "regulars" in this NG including (but certainly not limited to):
> Keith W., Tony H.; George M.; Del C.; Yousuf K.; ChrisV.; Robert M.; Felger
> C.; Dean K.; and a host of others. This USED to be a great NG. What the
> hell happened??

Dean and I both comment rather regularly in the forums at
www.realworldtech.com. You'll probably find a lot of folks from the
comp.arch newsgroup there too, although some are in lurking mode.

I can't really speak for anyone else.

DK
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:18:31 GMT, Pipboy <no RemoveThis @email.invalid> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

>On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:23:57 +0100, The Lone Gunman wrote:
>
>> Just a lurker here wondering why posts have dropped to nearly zero in this
>> group....what a damn shame.
>
>It's not just this group, just about all discussion groups are dropping in
>post count and it's because many people prefer web forums.

I refuse to accept that people *prefer* slow, moderated, ad infested
web forums, it's just that they are unaware of the alternative. One
reason may be that ISPs have no desire to promote Usenet. This is
because web based forums cost them essentially nothing, but Usenet
requires significant amounts of storage.

>HardOCP forum is
>much more interesting than this newsgroup and covers the same subject
>matter.

I've participated in some web based forums, but only in desperation.
Yahoo Groups, for example, have some good hacking forums (eg Mediatek
DVD firmware mods), but their content is invisible to Google.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
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Franc Zabkar wrote:

>I refuse to accept that people *prefer* slow, moderated, ad infested
>web forums, it's just that they are unaware of the alternative.

But you can use "emoticons" and cute little pictures next to your
name!

When I got hooked with broadband a few years back, I asked the ISP's
installer guy the name of of the news server... He didn't know, and
said that no one had ever asked him that before.

It's sort of too bad that usenet is losing-out to the Web forums...
OTOH, imagine how many idiots there would be if they all came here.
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David Kanter wrote:
> > Not aware of Usenet? Then educate yourself! What bothers me is the lack of
> > posts from "regulars" in this NG including (but certainly not limited to):
> > Keith W., Tony H.; George M.; Del C.; Yousuf K.; ChrisV.; Robert M.; Felger
> > C.; Dean K.; and a host of others. This USED to be a great NG. What the
> > hell happened??
>
> Dean and I both comment rather regularly in the forums at
> www.realworldtech.com. You'll probably find a lot of folks from the
> comp.arch newsgroup there too, although some are in lurking mode.
>
> I can't really speak for anyone else.
>
> DK

What an excellent plug for your site, I am surprised not more people
are plugging their favorite forum! I mean this thread could almost be
trollish in this regard.

The only problem I have about forums, is all the passwords you need to
keep up with, yeah I know that your browser, wm can store them but if
you reinstall, or clear out your cookies, and don't remember your
passwords your in trouble. Maybe I will have to take a gander over to
the forums, readup on guest policy.
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Robert Redelmeier wrote:
> Rthoreau <rthoreau RemoveThis @iwon.com> wrote in part:
> > by the very act of replying to a Usenet thread you have
> > to know about Usenet.
>
> This neglects news-to-web interfaces.
> However bletcherous, they exist.
>
> -- Robert

Some people might consider that a feature! You can post to Usenet
without knowing how to setup your client. Didn't AOL a while ago drop
there Usenet gateway? Or make it harder for an AOLer to post to Usenet
using that domain?

http://www.betanews.com/article/AOL_Pulls_Plug_on_Newsgroup_Service/1106664611

Seems to be the right link.

Rthoreau
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Trent wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:09:32 -0600 chrisv <chrisv DeleteThis @nospam.invalid> wrote in
> Message id: <jvj1r2tjqd819566mqha5t08lsiob2e8rv DeleteThis @4ax.com>:
>
> >OTOH, imagine how many idiots there would be if they all came here.
>
> Just have to look at Google Groups posters for evidence of that.

Don't you think that it's a good thing that Google archives Usenet, and
some mailing lists posting? I think that every gnu/linux, *bsd, nix
user is grateful for that. Groups makes it eaiser especially if your at
work, or school, or on a different computer, in fact most Usenet
gateways want you to pay a small fee in order to create an account to
post. Besides in most cases you need a vaild email address which
allows people, to get in contact with you.

Rthoreau
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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:09:32 -0600 chrisv <chrisv RemoveThis @nospam.invalid> wrote in
Message id: <jvj1r2tjqd819566mqha5t08lsiob2e8rv RemoveThis @4ax.com>:

>OTOH, imagine how many idiots there would be if they all came here.

Just have to look at Google Groups posters for evidence of that.
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In article <jvj1r2tjqd819566mqha5t08lsiob2e8rv RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
chrisv <chrisv RemoveThis @nospam.invalid> wrote:
>It's sort of too bad that usenet is losing-out to the Web forums...
>OTOH, imagine how many idiots there would be if they all came here.

On the third hand, if they're not coming here, that holds out the
possibility that the September that never ended might yet finally come to a
conclusion.

(Current output from september.pl: Fri Sep 4889 10:10:32 PST 1993.)

_/_
/ v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail)
(IIGS( http://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
\_^_/ rm -rf /bin/laden >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
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Rthoreau <rthoreau DeleteThis @iwon.com> wrote in part:
> by the very act of replying to a Usenet thread you have
> to know about Usenet.

This neglects news-to-web interfaces.
However bletcherous, they exist.

-- Robert
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Pipboy wrote:
> On 19 Jan 2007 10:09:52 -0800, Rthoreau wrote:
>
>
>
> I use the same username and password on every forum - no problem.

So if someone uses social engineering and finds one of your forums
passwords you will be power owned! Or if someone has access to your
computer they could do the same. I usually try to lurk for a while,
then if the forum seems like a good place to post I join in. In fact
some forums I have lurked for years, it makes it easier if you can post
without signing up. I normally find that forums are good places to find
information about people. For instance if you have a forum that has IRC
presence and users use the same nick as the forums you can find a boat
load of information. But of course google groups does a remarkable good
job as well.

But we probably knew that already if a person is paranoid, forums and
Usenet is not the right place to be, that goes for signatures as well.

Rthoreau
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