What's happened to this NG?

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:12:01 -0600, scott.DeleteThis@alfter.DIESPAMMERSDIE.us
(Scott Alfter) wrote:/

>On the third hand, if they're not coming here, that holds out the
>possibility that the September that never ended might yet finally come to a
>conclusion.
>
>(Current output from september.pl: Fri Sep 4889 10:10:32 PST 1993.)

Hmm, could I ask what's the story behind that?

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On 19 Jan 2007 10:09:52 -0800, Rthoreau wrote:


> The only problem I have about forums, is all the passwords you need to
> keep up with, yeah I know that your browser, wm can store them but if
> you reinstall, or clear out your cookies, and don't remember your
> passwords your in trouble. Maybe I will have to take a gander over to
> the forums, readup on guest policy.

I use the same username and password on every forum - no problem.
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On 20 Jan 2007 10:43:52 -0800, "Rthoreau" <rthoreau RemoveThis @iwon.com> wrote:

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
>http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/S/September-that-never-ended.html
>
>This is a link to one of the first posts I made using this nick.
>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles/browse_thread/thread/9ea339c2730e7003/a3bfde6c240d2fe0?q=rthoreau&lnk=ol&hl=en&
>
>I have other nicks that are in use before that one, but I will leave it
>up to the industrious to find my first net post! Not that it really
>matters, as lots of folks have been on for longer, I just thought it
>was a good aside to discussion about September.

Ah thanks! Although unfortunately, if my memory serves me correctly, I
might had started participating in NG in the year of the eternal Sep
:ppPp

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Franc Zabkar wrote:
<snip>
>
> I refuse to accept that people *prefer* slow, moderated, ad infested
> web forums, it's just that they are unaware of the alternative.

Yet I've also seen (commercial) web sites who *dared* to offer a
*threaded* discussion board (i.e. posts being organized in a tree
structure) being shouted down by rabid supporters of the UBB/phpBB
model who woudn't give up until they had their souped-up guestbook-like
forum.

O.
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On 20 Jan 2007 10:32:46 -0800, Rthoreau wrote:


> So if someone uses social engineering and finds one of your forums
> passwords you will be power owned! Or if someone has access to your
> computer they could do the same. I usually try to lurk for a while,
> then if the forum seems like a good place to post I join in. In fact
> some forums I have lurked for years, it makes it easier if you can post
> without signing up. I normally find that forums are good places to find
> information about people. For instance if you have a forum that has IRC
> presence and users use the same nick as the forums you can find a boat
> load of information. But of course google groups does a remarkable good
> job as well.
>
> But we probably knew that already if a person is paranoid, forums and
> Usenet is not the right place to be, that goes for signatures as well.
>
> Rthoreau

I said I use the same username and password for web forums and not anything
else.
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Rthoreau wrote:
> David Kanter wrote:
> > > Not aware of Usenet? Then educate yourself! What bothers me is the lack of
> > > posts from "regulars" in this NG including (but certainly not limited to):
> > > Keith W., Tony H.; George M.; Del C.; Yousuf K.; ChrisV.; Robert M.; Felger
> > > C.; Dean K.; and a host of others. This USED to be a great NG. What the
> > > hell happened??
> >
> > Dean and I both comment rather regularly in the forums at
> > www.realworldtech.com. You'll probably find a lot of folks from the
> > comp.arch newsgroup there too, although some are in lurking mode.
> >
> > I can't really speak for anyone else.
> >
> > DK
>
> What an excellent plug for your site, I am surprised not more people
> are plugging their favorite forum! I mean this thread could almost be
> trollish in this regard.

You asked where people went, and I answered for the case of two folks
who read here.

> The only problem I have about forums, is all the passwords you need to
> keep up with, yeah I know that your browser, wm can store them but if
> you reinstall, or clear out your cookies, and don't remember your
> passwords your in trouble. Maybe I will have to take a gander over to
> the forums, readup on guest policy.

Now I'll shamelessly plug my forum: we dont' require usernames or
passwords : )

DK
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David Kanter wrote:
> Dean and I both comment rather regularly in the forums at
> www.realworldtech.com. You'll probably find a lot of folks from the
> comp.arch newsgroup there too, although some are in lurking mode.
>
> I can't really speak for anyone else.

If only that formu was not so horribly sloooowwwww...

rgds
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In article <1169317966.439355.62890.TakeThisOut@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>,
Rthoreau <rthoreau.TakeThisOut@iwon.com> wrote:
>Pipboy wrote:
>> I use the same username and password on every forum - no problem.
>
>So if someone uses social engineering and finds one of your forums
>passwords you will be power owned!

As long as you're not also using the same password for stuff that matters
(like email or financial stuff), I don't see that as a huge problem. In the
big picture, forums aren't that important.

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Sebastian Kaliszewski wrote:
> David Kanter wrote:
> > Dean and I both comment rather regularly in the forums at
> > www.realworldtech.com. You'll probably find a lot of folks from the
> > comp.arch newsgroup there too, although some are in lurking mode.
> >
> > I can't really speak for anyone else.
>
> If only that formu was not so horribly sloooowwwww...

We're working on fixing it!

DK
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Franc Zabkar wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:18:31 GMT, Pipboy <no.DeleteThis@email.invalid> put finger
> to keyboard and composed:
>
> > On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:23:57 +0100, The Lone Gunman wrote:
> >
> >> Just a lurker here wondering why posts have dropped to nearly zero
> in this >> group....what a damn shame.
> >
> > It's not just this group, just about all discussion groups are
> > dropping in post count and it's because many people prefer web
> > forums.
>
> I refuse to accept that people prefer slow, moderated, ad infested
> web forums, it's just that they are unaware of the alternative. One
> reason may be that ISPs have no desire to promote Usenet. This is
> because web based forums cost them essentially nothing, but Usenet
> requires significant amounts of storage.
>
> > HardOCP forum is
> > much more interesting than this newsgroup and covers the same
> > subject matter.
>
> I've participated in some web based forums, but only in desperation.
> Yahoo Groups, for example, have some good hacking forums (eg Mediatek
> DVD firmware mods), but their content is invisible to Google.
>
> - Franc Zabkar



text does not require much storage. it is the BINARIES groups that take
up all the storage.

must ISPs have REALLY shitty binary completion rates.

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chrisv wrote:

> Franc Zabkar wrote:
>
> > I refuse to accept that people prefer slow, moderated, ad infested
> > web forums, it's just that they are unaware of the alternative.
>
> But you can use "emoticons" and cute little pictures next to your
> name!
>
> When I got hooked with broadband a few years back, I asked the ISP's
> installer guy the name of of the news server... He didn't know, and
> said that no one had ever asked him that before.


same experience here - even back in the 90's!!



> It's sort of too bad that usenet is losing-out to the Web forums...
> OTOH, imagine how many idiots there would be if they all came here.


OTOH, Usenet can fly "under the radar" of RIAA and company. so many
nice albums from all types of music in the mp3 binaries groups. I like
the movie "soundtracks" group myself .

RIAA goes after Napster/etc, and now Bit-torrent.........and ignores
Usenet!! .

fine by me!
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gaffo wrote:

>OTOH, Usenet can fly "under the radar" of RIAA and company. so many
>nice albums from all types of music in the mp3 binaries groups. I like
>the movie "soundtracks" group myself .
>
>RIAA goes after Napster/etc, and now Bit-torrent.........and ignores
>Usenet!! .
>
>fine by me!

Likewise, there's still a lot of nice photos to be found in
usenetland...


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"The Lone Gunman" <lone DeleteThis @invalid.net> wrote in message
news:519fhdF1j6glbU1@mid.individual.net...
> :
>
> Not aware of Usenet? Then educate yourself! What bothers me is the lack
of
> posts from "regulars" in this NG including (but certainly not limited to):
> Keith W., Tony H.; George M.; Del C.; Yousuf K.; ChrisV.; Robert M.;
Felger
> C.; Dean K.; and a host of others. This USED to be a great NG. What the
> hell happened??

First - I stopped because of some of the other regulars who decided that
this was their playground and anyone who had a different opinion was stupid,
uneducated, etc. My personal opinion is that when an individual who posted
as John Corse polluted the group, the reaction was that many of those
regulars took a militant stand and just wouldn't put up with anything
remotely like an opposing opinion. It got nasty. My personal dislike was
for George M who regularly used personal attacks as a 'rebuttal' to
arguments, and when he couldn't support his stand he would invoke Keith to
defend him (whom I still have a lot of respect for).

Anyway - the point is that you asked for a reason why the post count is so
low and when it was given you started attacking those who provided the
answer. Now you have the answer. The culture has become "attack when you
don't like the answer". That's why I don't read/post anymore. I just
happened to see this because I saw the news about global warming today, and
remembered George M ridiculing it and anyone who even suggested it might be
a valid issue. His response was that *real* scientists didn't believe it
(just like they didn't believe in secondhand smoke effects), and everyone
else was either on the take or ignorant. I just wanted to see if he was
still in denial.

Sorry - I'll go away now. You can find me at the RWT forum if you really
care (and yes, there is *real* technical discussion there from *real*
engineers and scientists - LOL!).

Regards,
Dean
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