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Higgins

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Since: Nov 26, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:45 pm
Post subject: Second hard drive: What does this mean???
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Treat me as stupid, because I obviously am. (I'm much more familiar
with laptops than desktops.)

Clever me. I decided add a second hard drive (removable) in my office
desktop, a Compaq Deskpro 6000 series (old: Pentium 2). There's a
spare drive bay, after all.

But I open it up but there's no place to plug in the drive. Only one
connector on the ribbon cable leading to my hard drive; only one on
the ribbon cable leading to my CD-Rom drive (with a much smaller
connector to the board); no other obvious places to plug in. There is
a spare power connector, however.

So I decided to RTFM and it says:

"Two 40-pin keyed IDE data connectors (one for each controller) are
provided on the system board. Each connector can support two devices
and can be configured independently for PIO modes 1-4, DMA modes 1-2,
or Ultra DMA modes 0-2. In standard configurations with an IDE drive
the hard drive is attached to the primary connector and the CD-ROM (if
installed) is attached to the secondary connector.

NOTE: Both controllers support UATA mode 2 (33 MB/s). If a second
drive is to be operated in UATA mode 2 off the same controller the
standard 40-conductor cable must be replaced with an 80-conductor
cable (available as an option) is required. Running two drives in UATA
mode 2 with the standard 40-conductor cable produces CRC errors (due
to electrical crosstalk) that will cause the BIOS to switch to UATA
mode 1 (25 MB/s)."

I'm pretty confused. An 80-pin cable fits into a 40-pin connector on
the board??? Can I buy a new ribbon cable with secondary connector on
it?? Or what else do I need to do???

And no, I can't call my IT folks. IT's a midnight upgrade...

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Will Dormann

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 8:52 pm
Post subject: Re: Second hard drive: What does this mean??? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Higgins wrote:

 > But I open it up but there's no place to plug in the drive. Only one
 > connector on the ribbon cable leading to my hard drive; only one on
 > the ribbon cable leading to my CD-Rom drive (with a much smaller
 > connector to the board); no other obvious places to plug in. There is
 > a spare power connector, however.

The connector on the ribbon cable for the CD-ROM drive should be the
same size as that for the hard drive. Unless it's a really old
proprietary CD-ROM...


 > I'm pretty confused. An 80-pin cable fits into a 40-pin connector on
 > the board??? Can I buy a new ribbon cable with secondary connector on
 > it?? Or what else do I need to do???


Just because the cable is 80-conductor, that doesn't mean that the
connector has 40 pins. In the case of IDE, it's 40-pin either way.

If you have an available IDE connector on the motherboard, then get a
cable and plug the new drive into that. Otherwise, you can get a
replacement IDE cable with 3 connectors. (An IDE channel supports 2
devices)

-WD<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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Rod Speed

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 9:07 am
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Higgins <higgins RemoveThis @dorsai.org> wrote in message
news:f99a29d.0311260945.2654170a@posting.google.com...

 > Treat me as stupid, because I obviously am.
 > (I'm much more familiar with laptops than desktops.)
 >
 > Clever me. I decided add a second hard drive (removable) in my office
 > desktop, a Compaq Deskpro 6000 series (old: Pentium 2). There's a
 > spare drive bay, after all.
 >
 > But I open it up but there's no place to plug in the drive. Only one
 > connector on the ribbon cable leading to my hard drive; only one on
 > the ribbon cable leading to my CD-Rom drive (with a much smaller
 > connector to the board); no other obvious places to plug in. There is
 > a spare power connector, however.
 >
 > So I decided to RTFM and it says:
 >
 > "Two 40-pin keyed IDE data connectors (one for each controller) are
 > provided on the system board. Each connector can support two devices
 > and can be configured independently for PIO modes 1-4, DMA modes 1-2,
 > or Ultra DMA modes 0-2. In standard configurations with an IDE drive
 > the hard drive is attached to the primary connector and the CD-ROM (if
 > installed) is attached to the secondary connector.
 >
 > NOTE: Both controllers support UATA mode 2 (33 MB/s). If a second
 > drive is to be operated in UATA mode 2 off the same controller the
 > standard 40-conductor cable must be replaced with an 80-conductor
 > cable (available as an option) is required. Running two drives in UATA
 > mode 2 with the standard 40-conductor cable produces CRC errors (due
 > to electrical crosstalk) that will cause the BIOS to switch to UATA
 > mode 1 (25 MB/s)."

 > I'm pretty confused. An 80-pin cable fits
 > into a 40-pin connector on the board???

Its actually an 80 CONDUCTOR cable, which still has 40 pin connectors.

 > Can I buy a new ribbon cable with secondary connector on it??

Yep.

 > Or what else do I need to do???

Jumper the hard drives correctly for that different config.

Being a Compaq it likely expects the drives to be jumpered for Cable
Select. If the manual doesnt say, you can check how the original hard
drive is jumpered and jumper the new one for cable select too if it is.

 > And no, I can't call my IT folks. IT's a midnight upgrade...

Just watch out for the witching hour and your coach/PC
can turn into a pumpkin like Cinderella's did.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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CWatters1

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Since: Nov 21, 2003
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 4:03 pm
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It can be quite hard to work out how to route that 80 way cable around your
box so that the pin ones are in the right place. Practice by folding an old
one or a strip of card/paper. Then when you have it right copy the folds
onto the new cable. That way you don't keep bending and rebending your data
critical cable.
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