new hard drive + old hard drive

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From: "Larry Weak" <lweak.no DeleteThis @spam.wavecable.com>
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Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: new hard drive + old hard drive


 > sorry for top posting but think there is a wizard for setting and file
 > transfer in xp take a look before you do install and might be what you are
 > looking for.


The file and settings transfer wizard will move exactly that -- your files
and settings. It will not, however, move your programs. Programs generally
have an installer program that is separate from the actual program. That
installer creates the files and sets the references needed for that program
to work, and copying programs does not generally work without re-installing
them. There is some software available, such as PC Relocator that is
supposed to move programs, but I've not had good success with that working.
I find that a clean OS install with clean installs of all programs is the
best way to have a fast, reliable OS for the long run. In the future make
sure to hang on to all those install disks and to archive any programs you
download from the internet!













 > "wonderboy" <barbecuesauce99 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
 > news:beff77c3.0411190647.5e3601c8@posting.google.com...
  >>I think I need you guys help here.
  >> My old custom-built computer's hard drive is running out of space and
  >> it's messed up and registry doesn't look good.
  >> I was given used 20GB and try to install as local(bootable) hard
  >> drive(C and want to use old hard drive(13GB) as back-up storage(F
  >> I have XP installed now and have a CD for XP and want to clean install
  >> on new 20GB.
  >> I know to how to hook up and set up master and slave and configure
  >> bios etc and install XP with clean installation.
  >> What I want to find out is I want to use the program in old hard
  >> drive.
  >> As far as I know,It must be re-installed onto new hard drive in order
  >> to work.
  >> But there are so many program and utility I do not have the CDs.
  >>
  >> When most people upgrages their hard drive,I know they might use
  >> harddrive package-come along-utility OR the prgram such as ghost and
  >> drive copy or image in order to copy whole drive.
  >> But my problem is I want clean installed XP on new hard drive and
  >> still want to use the program in the slave-connected old hard drive
  >> excluding XP.
  >> Is it possible? Only way is re-install the program on new hard drive?
  >> Or ghost or other program let me just copy the program and allow it to
  >> work under clean-installed XP?
  >> HELP~!
  >> Thanks in advance.
 >
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"wonderboy" <barbecuesauce99.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:beff77c3.0411190647.5e3601c8@posting.google.com...
 > I think I need you guys help here.
 > My old custom-built computer's hard drive is running out of space and
 > it's messed up and registry doesn't look good.
 > I was given used 20GB and try to install as local(bootable) hard
 > drive(C and want to use old hard drive(13GB) as back-up storage(F
 > I have XP installed now and have a CD for XP and want to clean install
 > on new 20GB.
 > I know to how to hook up and set up master and slave and configure
 > bios etc and install XP with clean installation.
 > What I want to find out is I want to use the program in old hard
 > drive.
 > As far as I know,It must be re-installed onto new hard drive in order
 > to work.
 > But there are so many program and utility I do not have the CDs.
 >
 > When most people upgrages their hard drive,I know they might use
 > harddrive package-come along-utility OR the prgram such as ghost and
 > drive copy or image in order to copy whole drive.
 > But my problem is I want clean installed XP on new hard drive and
 > still want to use the program in the slave-connected old hard drive
 > excluding XP.
 > Is it possible? Only way is re-install the program on new hard drive?
 > Or ghost or other program let me just copy the program and allow it to
 > work under clean-installed XP?
 > HELP~!
 > Thanks in advance.

What Jed said is correct, you want to transfer programs, forget it. Here is
what you can do, at the risk of sounding like CG, suck it and see. Some
programs may still work if they are not to dependant on files loaded by the
registry or in the windows system folder, others will not. For those that
will not you will have to re-install, kiss them goodbye or spend a lot of
time and effort trying to make them work.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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 >What I want to find out is I want to use the program in old hard
 >drive.
 >As far as I know,It must be re-installed onto new hard drive in order
 >to work.
 >But there are so many program and utility I do not have the CDs.

Forget about it. You'll need the installation CDs etc. for the
programs.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Thank you for reply,guys.
Guess I have to give up.
I guess I have to re-install program that I have CDs for on new drive.
Only way to use non-transferable program in old hard drive is set this
hard drive as master,I guess
Here is what I have now.
I (will) have two hard drives and one CD-RW(master) and one
DVD-ROM(slave).
Each hard drive will have own XP since I will clean-install on new
hard drive.
So new hard drive will be master and old mess-up hard will be slave.
Since I can't use the program in old hard drive,I will have to boot on
old hard drive whenever I need to use the program in the old hard
drive.
It will be a big pain to open the case and switch the cable.
Is there any program will allow me to choose which hard drive I want
to boot on?
I can set as
new hard drive(master) and CD-RW(slave)
old hard drive(master) and DVD-ROM(slave).
this set up will make it easy?
I am not looking partition since each drive has OS on it.
Thanks in advance.
 >> Stay informed about: new hard drive + old hard drive 

"wonderboy" <barbecuesauce99.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:beff77c3.0411200551.97d7a5c@posting.google.com...
 > Thank you for reply, guys.
 > Guess I have to give up.
 > I guess I have to re-install program that I have CDs for on new drive.

Or export the program's registry entries from the old harddrive OS and
import them to the new harddrive OS's registry.

 > Only way to use non-transferable program in old hard drive is set this
 > hard drive as master, I guess

Oh, what for? What exactly do you think that will accomplish?

 > Here is what I have now.
 > I (will) have two hard drives and one CD-RW(master) and one
 > DVD-ROM(slave).
 > Each hard drive will have own XP since I will clean-install on new
 > hard drive.

 > So new hard drive will be master and old mess-up hard will be slave.

Yup, so?

 > Since I can't use the program in old hard drive, I will have to boot on
 > old hard drive whenever I need to use the program in the old hard drive.

Or export the program's registry enties from the old harddrive OS and
import them to the new harddrive OS's registry.

 > It will be a big pain to open the case and switch the cable.

Uhuh, and what on earth would you want to do that for?

 > Is there any program will allow me to choose which hard drive I want
 > to boot on?

Ever heard of a thing that goes under the name of 'BIOS'?
What exactly do you think this entry 'BootSequence' in the BIOS setup
is all about? Learn how to use your MainBoard Setup program.


 > I can set as
 > new hard drive(master) and CD-RW(slave)
 > old hard drive(master) and DVD-ROM(slave).
 > this set up will make it easy?

Make easy what?

 > I am not looking partition since each drive has OS on it.
 > Thanks in advance.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"wonderboy" <barbecuesauce99.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:beff77c3.0411200551.97d7a5c@posting.google.com...
 > Thank you for reply,guys.
 > Guess I have to give up.
 > I guess I have to re-install program that I have CDs for on new drive.
 > Only way to use non-transferable program in old hard drive is set this
 > hard drive as master,I guess

No it won't make antdifference if you do a clean install, the o/s won't be
associated with it.

 > Here is what I have now.
 > I (will) have two hard drives and one CD-RW(master) and one
 > DVD-ROM(slave).
 > Each hard drive will have own XP since I will clean-install on new
 > hard drive.
 > So new hard drive will be master and old mess-up hard will be slave.
 > Since I can't use the program in old hard drive,I will have to boot on
 > old hard drive whenever I need to use the program in the old hard
 > drive.
 > It will be a big pain to open the case and switch the cable.
 > Is there any program will allow me to choose which hard drive I want
 > to boot on?

Windows XP will boot from either via the loader and boot.ini, you don't need
anything else, just make sure both drives are connected as you intend to
keep them when you set XP up.

 > I can set as new hard drive(master) and CD-RW(slave)
 > old hard drive(master) and DVD-ROM(slave).
 > this set up will make it easy?

Yes that will be the best layout imo.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:46:06 -0000, "Grimly Fiendish"
<Alien.TakeThisOut@Sexfiend.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

  >> Thank you for reply,guys.
  >> Guess I have to give up.
  >> I guess I have to re-install program that I have CDs for on new drive.
  >> Only way to use non-transferable program in old hard drive is set this
  >> hard drive as master,I guess
 >
 >No it won't make antdifference if you do a clean install, the o/s won't be
 >associated with it.

You said your present installation, though it has problems, is
runnable? If so, leave it completely alone and continue to run it
when you need the programs on it.

You don't need to mess with cable-changing. If you install a new XP
on your new primary drive you just need a simple modification of the
boot.ini file to allow a multi-boot option.

I discover that there ARE programs that claim to extract complete
program installations from one computer so they may be installed on
another. Does anyone have more information?

What are these irreplaceable programs, anyway? Can't you borrow the
installation disks the same place you did before?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Laurence Payne" <l.RemoveThis@laurenceDELETEpayne.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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 > I discover that there ARE programs that claim to extract complete
 > program installations from one computer so they may be installed on
 > another. Does anyone have more information?

Laurence:
There are programs marketed that claim to transfer programs, configuration
settings, etc. from one computer to another, however, based upon my
experience with a number of these so-called "data migration" programs I've
found them to be virtually useless in transferring Windows applications from
one computer running
Win98/Me to another running the Windows XP OS. It's a crapshoot at best, and
the odds are stacked against you. Yes, they're fine if all you want to do is
transfer (copy) data files (for the most part) from one machine to another,
but that's about it. In nearly every case where the user wishes to transfer
programs and applications to the new computer, he will need the installation
media to install those programs on the new machine. And even then he can run
into problems when the application was specifically designed for a pre-XP OS
and no updates have been issued for XP. While there is a so-called
"compatibility mode" in XP, it's far from a certainty that it will work with
older programs.

Now if the source and destination computers are running the same OS and the
user has no problem in transferring the source's OS to the destination
computer, then it's a relatively simple matter of using a disk imaging
program, e.g., Ghost, to clone the contents of the source computer to the
destination one.

Art<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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wonderboy wrote:

 > I think I need you guys help here.
 > My old custom-built computer's hard drive is running out of space and
 > it's messed up and registry doesn't look good.
 > I was given used 20GB and try to install as local(bootable) hard
 > drive(C and want to use old hard drive(13GB) as back-up storage(F
 > I have XP installed now and have a CD for XP and want to clean install
 > on new 20GB.

A 20GB hard drive will disappear fast with Windows XP and modern software,
unless you keep a very barebones system. Remember that a 20GB hard drive
will net you about 18.5GB after formatting, and you should keep extra room
on the disk to allow files to be manipulated by the filesystem. 20GBs of
space does not mean you can put 20GB on it and be fine. Your hard drive
will fragment so bad it will come to a crawl, if you do.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Ruel Smith" <NoWay RemoveThis @NoWhere.com> wrote in message
news:Jbqqd.857$Xv.808@fe37.usenetserver.com...
 > wonderboy wrote:
 >
 > A 20GB hard drive will disappear fast with Windows XP and modern software,
 > unless you keep a very barebones system. Remember that a 20GB hard drive
 > will net you about 18.5GB after formatting, and you should keep extra room
 > on the disk to allow files to be manipulated by the filesystem. 20GBs of
 > space does not mean you can put 20GB on it and be fine. Your hard drive
 > will fragment so bad it will come to a crawl, if you do.
 >
You will not fill a 20GB hard drive unless you are a high-speed internet pirate
or a digital audio/video junkie. Lots of people still have under 20GB.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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I am facing this dilemma. I have a 40gb set as master on its own channel.
I have a 120gb slaved to the dvd drive on the secondary channel.

Now the 40gb is partitioned in 2. so i have a c and d. C has win98 on it.
d has xp on it. I have uninstalled as much expendible software as i can. I
am basically down to office and neroburn. All my data has been migrated to
my big drive.

Unfortunately i have forgotten my email password so if i do a clean install
i will lose my mail. My broadband connection was also setup in hardware.
That is to say that there is no password the server at the other end knows
my specific ip. The dude who set it up instead of running the install disk
i was sent did it manually then phoned up the office. If i do clean install
i fear this will change these things.

Strangely despite only office 2000, neroburn in both the installations there
is only 10gb of space on either drive. So win98 office and nero are
occupying 10gb. same with the xp partition. Jesus i must have a lot of
crap lying in my drive.

Finally my antivirus shield keeps detecting a trojan that is residing in one
of my system restore files. The main antivirus program claims to have
detected and healed it. but virus shield still says its there and to run my
main program to get rid of it.

doh!
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check your restore folder size
To rid the virus disable system restore then re-enable it. You will
lose the virus and all previous restore points.


"Mr Jessop" <anonymouse RemoveThis @isp.com> wrote in message
news:vRpqd.25081$up1.12667@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
 > I am facing this dilemma. I have a 40gb set as master on its own
channel.
 > I have a 120gb slaved to the dvd drive on the secondary channel.
 >
 > Now the 40gb is partitioned in 2. so i have a c and d. C has win98
on it.
 > d has xp on it. I have uninstalled as much expendible software as i
can. I
 > am basically down to office and neroburn. All my data has been
migrated to
 > my big drive.
 >
 > Unfortunately i have forgotten my email password so if i do a clean
install
 > i will lose my mail. My broadband connection was also setup in
hardware.
 > That is to say that there is no password the server at the other end
knows
 > my specific ip. The dude who set it up instead of running the
install disk
 > i was sent did it manually then phoned up the office. If i do clean
install
 > i fear this will change these things.
 >
 > Strangely despite only office 2000, neroburn in both the
installations there
 > is only 10gb of space on either drive. So win98 office and nero are
 > occupying 10gb. same with the xp partition. Jesus i must have a
lot of
 > crap lying in my drive.
 >
 > Finally my antivirus shield keeps detecting a trojan that is
residing in one
 > of my system restore files. The main antivirus program claims to
have
 > detected and healed it. but virus shield still says its there and
to run my
 > main program to get rid of it.
 >
 > doh!
 >
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:04:56 -0500, Ruel Smith <NoWay.DeleteThis@NoWhere.com>
wrote:

 >wonderboy wrote:
 >
  >> I think I need you guys help here.
  >> My old custom-built computer's hard drive is running out of space and
  >> it's messed up and registry doesn't look good.
  >> I was given used 20GB and try to install as local(bootable) hard
  >> drive(C and want to use old hard drive(13GB) as back-up storage(F
  >> I have XP installed now and have a CD for XP and want to clean install
  >> on new 20GB.
 >
 >A 20GB hard drive will disappear fast with Windows XP and modern software,
 >unless you keep a very barebones system. Remember that a 20GB hard drive
 >will net you about 18.5GB after formatting, and you should keep extra room
 >on the disk to allow files to be manipulated by the filesystem. 20GBs of
 >space does not mean you can put 20GB on it and be fine. Your hard drive
 >will fragment so bad it will come to a crawl, if you do.

Because I had to image my 2001 dual PIII system's original 40 GB
master HD with the same model, I now have a similar set-up.

Here's what I've done, and as a method it has worked quite well.

1st drive: 40 gb
C: (root): 10 gb: Windows 2000 and all patches associated. Network
stuff. AVG anti-virus. Any software (surprisingly few) that *must* be
on C:

Usage: About 48%, and that doesn't vary much.

D: (programs) 13 GB: ALL programs, which means I do "custom" installs
of everything. This drive gets about 80% full, but because it's
programs, it doesn't get fragmented easily and is simple to manage.

I keep all mail, browser and news apps here, and isolate ALL mail and
downloads, patches, etc. in one folder, which is aggressively scanned.
I also update my AV definitions two to three times a week. I have
"trapped" several thousand viruses in these isolated folders; I
haven't had a virus actually execute on my home system since 1993 or
so, when I figured out one big C: drive was a poor policy.

Isolating downloads and automating viral scanning of those downloads
was the best thing I've done.

E: (data) 14 GB or so: ALL data, with the exception of certain system
management files, admin stuff, etc. left on C: This drive is regularly
backed up and regularly defragmented. I allow very little
"conversation" between E: and the other drives. I backup E: only to a
second, larger drive in the same machine, and I back up current
critical data files over a home office, router-based network to a
legacy dual PII, which has all my current apps and settings, and can
act as a (considerably slower) workstation if needed. Also, I plug my
laptop into the network about once a month and update the archive
there.

Last week it was.

A recent power-related event corrupted my C: drive.
A reformat and reinstall took a few hours, mainly because I had to
download all the patches and upgrades from Microsoft. None of my data
was affected, however, and I am giving my business a good UPS for Xmas
<G>.

The only way I figure I could bulletproof my system even further
(beyond the UPS I should have bought ages ago) would be to automate
off-site archiving.

So if the house burns down, I suppose I will be screwed, but the rest
works well. You are on the right track by completely isolating your
OS. Another suggestion is to partition a few GB for the paging file,
and assigning that entire partition for that purpose.

R.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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