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SoCal

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:01 pm
Post subject: Does low temperature improve performance with normal clocking????
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Two questions:

1) Does low temperature improve performance with normal clocking on a
desktop with static clock?

2) Does #1 apply to notbooks where the clock changes? Do laptop change
clock speed even when plug in, merely for thermal reasons?



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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:33 am
Post subject: Re: Does low temperature improve performance with normal clocking???? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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'SoCal' wrote:
| Two questions:
|
| 1) Does low temperature improve performance with normal clocking on a
| desktop with static clock?
|
| 2) Does #1 apply to notbooks where the clock changes? Do laptop change
| clock speed even when plug in, merely for thermal reasons?
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#1. A lower CPU temperature does not improve performance of a CPU at stock
speeds. The CPU is warranted to perform correctly at stock speeds as long
as the CPU temperature is within specifications (usually below 70 C for the
Intel X86 line [Pentium - Celeron - Core Duo -Xeon]).

#2. IF the CPU and the laptop implement thermal throttling, yes the clock
speed would change to keep the CPU within thermal specifications.

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| Two questions:
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| 1) Does low temperature improve performance with normal clocking on a
| desktop with static clock?
|
| 2) Does #1 apply to notbooks where the clock changes? Do laptop change
| clock speed even when plug in, merely for thermal reasons?
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:49 am
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Keeping the CPU in its specified temperature range will not improve
performance, but letting it get above its operating range will cause
the CPU to become unstable or even fail.

The cooler you can get your CPU the better, but to get a
temperature-based speed boost requires superconductivity, which
requires cryogenic cooling to achieve very low temperatures (typically
measured in units Kelvin).

I am not aware of any practical cryo coolers for PCs. They would be
very expensive and somewhat bulky. Maybe someone can adapt the
cryogenic coolers used in 1st- and 2nd-gen FLIR systems.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:08 pm
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'Guy' wrote:
| Keeping the CPU in its specified temperature range will not improve
| performance, but letting it get above its operating range will cause
| the CPU to become unstable or even fail.
|
| The cooler you can get your CPU the better, but to get a
| temperature-based speed boost requires superconductivity, which
| requires cryogenic cooling to achieve very low temperatures (typically
| measured in units Kelvin).
|
| I am not aware of any practical cryo coolers for PCs. They would be
| very expensive and somewhat bulky. Maybe someone can adapt the
| cryogenic coolers used in 1st- and 2nd-gen FLIR systems.
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"Keeping the CPU in its specified temperature range will not improve
performance, but letting it get above its operating range will cause the CPU
to become unstable or even fail."

No, and no.
Keeping a CPU in its specified temperature range does improve performance;
fewer errors.
An Intel Pentium MMX or latter CPU will not fail from overheating; it will
lock up and cool down long before a damaging temperature is reached.
An important tool in overclocking CPUs the trade-off operating temperature
margin for clock speed margin. Typically, operating at a CPU core
temperature of 40 C can provide an significant increase in CPU clock speed
and stable operation that would not be possible with the same CPU with a
core temperature of 60 C.

" ... but to get a temperature-based speed boost requires
superconductivity..."
No, and no.

Superconductivity not only is NOT required, but would prevent operation of
the CPU.
Cooling to 40 C rather than 50 C usually will allow additional overclocking.

"... Maybe someone can adapt the cryogenic coolers used in 1st-and 2nd-gen
FLIR systems.
No.

The medium wave IR sensors used in FLIR type applications (thermal imagers)
produce very little heat; the coolers for such sensors mainly remove
environmental heat (a typical Peltier cascade stack of six stages might pump
15 milliwatts of heat and keep the sensor at ~ 1 100 C in a FLIR [thermal
imager] application). In comparison current X86 CPU modules dissipate 60 to
120 Watts heat, 5000 to 10000 times as much.

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| Keeping the CPU in its specified temperature range will not improve
| performance, but letting it get above its operating range will cause
| the CPU to become unstable or even fail.
|
| The cooler you can get your CPU the better, but to get a
| temperature-based speed boost requires superconductivity, which
| requires cryogenic cooling to achieve very low temperatures (typically
| measured in units Kelvin).
|
| I am not aware of any practical cryo coolers for PCs. They would be
| very expensive and somewhat bulky. Maybe someone can adapt the
| cryogenic coolers used in 1st- and 2nd-gen FLIR systems.
|
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