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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 3:18 pm
Post subject: Having a problem installing two Sata drives
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Using Gigabyte GA-K8N mb.
Trying to install two Sata drives.
I dont need/want any fancy raid config, I just want to use both
drives normally.
using sil 3114 drivers
I have managed to install xp on the first one, and just format the
second one for storage use.
The only raid setup that seems appropriate is the sil jbod.
When I set them both to this setting I get a MBR error 1
If I remove the jbod from the 2nd one the 1st one will boot ok.
but, then you dont see the 2nd one.
having problems here ... help !!!
thanks
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Having a problem installing two Sata drives [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Previously mike_in_sd <none.DeleteThis@000.com> wrote:
> Using Gigabyte GA-K8N mb.
> Trying to install two Sata drives.
> I dont need/want any fancy raid config, I just want to use both
> drives normally.
> using sil 3114 drivers
> I have managed to install xp on the first one, and just format the
> second one for storage use.
> The only raid setup that seems appropriate is the sil jbod.
> When I set them both to this setting I get a MBR error 1
JBOD throws all disks together into one large virtual drive. This is
not what you want, unless you can make two separate JBODS of the
disks. Even then a "raw", "pass-through" or the like setting would be
better, as the JBOD can also change the geometry.
> If I remove the jbod from the 2nd one the 1st one will boot ok.
> but, then you dont see the 2nd one.
Inded. As expected.
> having problems here ... help !!!
As far as I can tell from the datasheet, the Sil 3114 is not even
a RAID controller, but a plain 4 port SATA controller. The RAID
functionality resides in its BIOS. From the software documentation
I gather that what you want is "PASS THRU" mode for each disk.
There should be some way to set this, but you may have to use the
OS utility for that, see page 18 of rev. 1.60 of the
"SiI31xx SATARAID5 User's Guide" here:
http://www.siliconimage.com/support/documentationresults.aspx?pid=28
Regards,
Arno
> thanks
> mike
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 1:15 am
Post subject: Re: Having a problem installing two Sata drives [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Arno Wagner wrote in news:681f8oF2r7b18U1@mid.individual.net
> Previously mike_in_sd <none RemoveThis @000.com> wrote:
> > Using Gigabyte GA-K8N mb.
>
> > Trying to install two Sata drives.
>
> > I dont need/want any fancy raid config, I just want to use both
> > drives normally.
>
> > using sil 3114 drivers
>
> > I have managed to install xp on the first one, and just format the
> > second one for storage use.
>
> > The only raid setup that seems appropriate is the sil jbod.
>
> > When I set them both to this setting I get a MBR error 1
>
> JBOD throws all disks together into one large virtual drive. This is
> not what you want, unless you can make two separate JBODS of the
> disks. Even then a "raw", "pass-through" or the like setting would be
> better, as the JBOD can also change the geometry.
>
> > If I remove the jbod from the 2nd one the 1st one will boot ok.
> > but, then you dont see the 2nd one.
>
> Inded. As expected.
>
> > having problems here ... help !!!
> As far as I can tell from the datasheet, the Sil 3114 is not even
> a RAID controller, but a plain 4 port SATA controller.
Babblebot, clueless as always.
The Sil 3114 is a chip, a 4-port SATA controller ASIC.
> The RAID functionality resides in its BIOS.
As it does in every RAID controller, hardware assisted or not.
http://tweakers.net/reviews/557/3/comparison-of-nine-serial-ata-raid-5...apters-
http://tweakers.net/reviews/557/4/comparison-of-nine-serial-ata-raid-5...apters-
Even high-end RAID manufacturers use standard Marvell SATA controller
ASICs with seperate Intel or Motorola processors to do the RAID code.
So do Promise and HighPoint these days
3ware do the same but design/manufacture both inhouse or have them made
under their own label.
> From the software documentation
> I gather that what you want is "PASS THRU" mode for each disk.
> There should be some way to set this, but you may have to use the
> OS utility for that, see page 18 of rev. 1.60 of the
> "SiI31xx SATARAID5 User's Guide" here:
>
> http://www.siliconimage.com/support/documentationresults.aspx?pid=28
>
> Regards,
> Arno
>
> > thanks
> > mike
>
> > --
> > Posted at author's request, using moderated http://www.PCForumz.com interface
> > Thread archive: http://www.PCForumz.com/problem-installing-Sata-drives-ftopict87543.html >> Stay informed about: Having a problem installing two Sata drives |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 8:24 am
Post subject: Re: Having a problem installing two Sata drives [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Arno Wagner wrote:
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> JBOD throws all disks together into one large virtual drive. This is
> not what you want, unless you can make two separate JBODS of the
> disks. Even then a "raw", "pass-through" or the like setting would be
> better, as the JBOD can also change the geometry.
Uh, just a nit, but throwing all HDs into a single virtual (non-RAID)
drive is called spanning. I think of JBOD as not combining HDs into
any larger entity, although the Webopedia definition seems to include
spanning as a form of JBOD. Either way (mine or Webo's), JBOD does
not always mean spanning.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:15 pm
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Previously Bob Willard <BobwBSGS.DeleteThis@trashthis.comcast.net> wrote:
> Arno Wagner wrote:
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>> JBOD throws all disks together into one large virtual drive. This is
>> not what you want, unless you can make two separate JBODS of the
>> disks. Even then a "raw", "pass-through" or the like setting would be
>> better, as the JBOD can also change the geometry.
> Uh, just a nit, but throwing all HDs into a single virtual (non-RAID)
> drive is called spanning. I think of JBOD as not combining HDs into
> any larger entity, although the Webopedia definition seems to include
> spanning as a form of JBOD. Either way (mine or Webo's), JBOD does
> not always mean spanning.
Indeed. JBOD does not have any fixed meaning, it is just something
some vendors came up with for the RAID challenged.
However in the case at hand, the symptoms strongly suggest
that the drives are combined in some form and that is what
I was talking about, namely "JBOD in this controller".
Arno >> Stay informed about: Having a problem installing two Sata drives |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 6:19 pm
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Bob Willard wrote in news:XsOdnUpNVL9oxIHVnZ2dnUVZ_qKgnZ2d@comcast.com
> Arno Wagner wrote:
> >
> > JBOD throws all disks together into one large virtual drive. This is
> > not what you want, unless you can make two separate JBODS of the
> > disks. Even then a "raw", "pass-through" or the like setting would be
> > better, as the JBOD can also change the geometry.
> Uh, just a nit, but throwing all HDs into a single virtual (non-RAID)
> drive is called spanning.
That too.
> I think of JBOD as not combining HDs into any larger entity,
That is JBOD as in JBOD enclosure.
> although the Webopedia definition seems to include spanning as a form of JBOD.
It's not just Webopedia. It's what controllers do.
> Either way (mine or Webo's), JBOD does not always mean spanning.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 3:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Having a problem installing two Sata drives [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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What's wrong with the MB Chipset internal SATA?
mike_in_sd wrote in news:435944_e043024fafc1eff6275b618919ca0110@pcforumz.com
> Using Gigabyte GA-K8N mb.
>
> Trying to install two Sata drives.
>
> I dont need/want any fancy raid config, I just want to use both
> drives normally.
>
> using sil 3114 drivers
>
> I have managed to install xp on the first one, and just format the
> second one for storage use.
>
> The only raid setup that seems appropriate is the sil jbod.
>
> When I set them both to this setting I get a MBR error 1
>
> If I remove the jbod from the 2nd one the 1st one will boot ok.
> but, then you dont see the 2nd one.
>
> having problems here ... help !!!
>
> thanks
> mike >> Stay informed about: Having a problem installing two Sata drives |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:59 am
Post subject: Re: Having a problem installing two Sata drives [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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mike_in_sd wrote:
> Using Gigabyte GA-K8N mb.
>
> Trying to install two Sata drives.
>
> I dont need/want any fancy raid config, I just want to use both
> drives normally.
>
> using sil 3114 drivers
>
> I have managed to install xp on the first one, and just format the
> second one for storage use.
>
> The only raid setup that seems appropriate is the sil jbod.
>
> When I set them both to this setting I get a MBR error 1
>
> If I remove the jbod from the 2nd one the 1st one will boot ok.
> but, then you dont see the 2nd one.
>
> having problems here ... help !!!
It sounds like you've screwed up your partition table on the second one,
due to trying to run it as part of a RAID setup. The RAID setup puts
metadata into the drive, usually on the first sector or track,
overwriting what was there before (usually the partition table). It
moves the partition table to another track, and hides the original first
sector from the operating system. You're gonna have to repartition that
second drive, which would mean losing data. Avoid all of the RAID
options, next time, they're more hassle than they're worth.
Yousuf Khan >> Stay informed about: Having a problem installing two Sata drives |
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