remove IDE, install SATA ?

"Talal Itani" <titani.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> I have in my PC two IDE drives, the first is a Western Digital at 7200
> RPM, the second is an older IBM at 5000 RPM. I would like to make my
> computer faster to boot, and faster to load applications. My motherboard
> supports Serial ATA. Will I see a noticeable difference if I remove the
> IDE drives and install a Serial ATA drive instead? My PC has a Pentium 4,
> 2.4 GHz, overclocked to 2.7 GHz.
>
> Thanks
> Talal Itani

If you are still talking Raptors or a striped RAID configuration,
then Yes. Just going to SATA from IDE, then No.

Luck;
Ken
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"Talal Itani" <titani.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> I have in my PC two IDE drives, the first is a Western Digital at 7200
> RPM, the second is an older IBM at 5000 RPM. I would like to make my
> computer faster to boot, and faster to load applications. My motherboard
> supports Serial ATA. Will I see a noticeable difference if I remove the
> IDE drives and install a Serial ATA drive instead? My PC has a Pentium 4,
> 2.4 GHz, overclocked to 2.7 GHz.

No.

How much memory is installed? How often do you defrag? How much junk do you
have loading up at startup?
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"Noozer" <dont.spam RemoveThis @me.here> wrote in message
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>
> "Talal Itani" <titani RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:25hUh.870$Qp.794@trnddc07...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have in my PC two IDE drives, the first is a Western Digital at 7200
>> RPM, the second is an older IBM at 5000 RPM. I would like to make my
>> computer faster to boot, and faster to load applications. My motherboard
>> supports Serial ATA. Will I see a noticeable difference if I remove the
>> IDE drives and install a Serial ATA drive instead? My PC has a Pentium
>> 4, 2.4 GHz, overclocked to 2.7 GHz.
>
> No.
>
> How much memory is installed? How often do you defrag? How much junk do
> you have loading up at startup?
>

I have 1 GB of RAM, planning to upgrade to 1.5 GB. My PC is overclocked. I
defrag regularly. I have some junk loading at startup.
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(message (Hello 'Talal)
(you :wrote n '(Sun, 15 Apr 2007 03:36:30 GMT))
(

TI> I have in my PC two IDE drives, the first is a Western Digital at 7200
TI> RPM, the second is an older IBM at 5000 RPM. I would like to make my
TI> computer faster to boot, and faster to load applications. My
TI> motherboard supports Serial ATA. Will I see a noticeable difference if
TI> I remove the IDE drives and install a Serial ATA drive instead?

replacing old drive with a new one can increase performance, since newer
drives are faster (higher density etc).
if it's same model, PATA and SATA are aprox same speed, but in some cases
SATA can be a bit faster. if you read from both drives simultaneously, you
might hit IDE bus speed limitation.
SATA also supports NCQ, that can be a benefit for multithreaded disk access
is some cases, and i think it can optimize boot time, since on boot lots of
stuf gets loaded in parallel.
however NCQ is not enabled by default -- you need to enable AHCI or RAID
mode on controller (in compatibility mode you won't see NCQ), and load
drivers for the controller.

)
(With-best-regards '(Alex Mizrahi) :aka 'killer_storm)
"I am everything you want and I am everything you need")
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"Talal Itani" <titani.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:25hUh.870$Qp.794@trnddc07...
> Hello,
>
> I have in my PC two IDE drives, the first is a Western Digital at 7200
> RPM, the second is an older IBM at 5000 RPM. I would like to make my
> computer faster to boot, and faster to load applications. My motherboard
> supports Serial ATA. Will I see a noticeable difference if I remove the
> IDE drives and install a Serial ATA drive instead? My PC has a Pentium 4,
> 2.4 GHz, overclocked to 2.7 GHz.

Its more the age of the drive, rather than the interface type that would
make a difference. A newer drive would be alot faster than your old IBM
5000rpm, but I have just bought a new Western Digital 7200 rpm drive and it
is faster than my existing Samsung 7200 rpm drive. The revolution speed is
only a small part of the story. Go to you device manager and tell us the
model number of the WD drive and we will tell you how old it is and whether
it is worth upgrading for a performance increase.

The interface discussion is not really relevant yet. IDE (or PATA) interface
can move 133MB/s and SATA I can move 150MB/s. The newer SATA II can shift
300MB/s, but the fastest hard drives only manage a transfer rate of
60-70MB/s. So you could run 2 of the latest drives (if you can find PATA
versions) on 1 IDE channel and they would only just fill its capacity when
both running flat out!

Another point is you use the words remove and replace - you can keep your
existing drives and use a newer SATA drive in addition. Use your existing
drives as space for backups, or data files, downloads etc.

If you make the new drive the system drive, then a clean install of XP, or a
couple of hours running through a few 'clean-up' apps would probably speed
things up anyway - in fact why not try that now on your existing drive and
see if it speeds things up considerably.
 >> Stay informed about: remove IDE, install SATA ? 

"Alex Mizrahi" <udodenko.RemoveThis@users.sourceforge.net> wrote in message
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> (message (Hello 'Talal)
> (you :wrote n '(Sun, 15 Apr 2007 03:36:30 GMT))
> (
>
> TI> I have in my PC two IDE drives, the first is a Western Digital at 7200
> TI> RPM, the second is an older IBM at 5000 RPM. I would like to make my
> TI> computer faster to boot, and faster to load applications. My
> TI> motherboard supports Serial ATA. Will I see a noticeable difference
> if
> TI> I remove the IDE drives and install a Serial ATA drive instead?
>
> replacing old drive with a new one can increase performance, since newer
> drives are faster (higher density etc).
> if it's same model, PATA and SATA are aprox same speed, but in some cases
> SATA can be a bit faster. if you read from both drives simultaneously, you
> might hit IDE bus speed limitation.

Unlikely - ATA133 can handle 133MB/s. The fastest Raptor can manage 87MB/s.
The fastest IDE drive on the list can manage 75.8MB/s. If you put 2 of these
on the same channel and tried to use them at the same time they would
require 151.6MB/s and be limited to 133MB/s, but this is not really
relevant - you would have them on different channels. Here's a performance
chart:

http://www23.tomshardware.com/storage.html?modelx=33&mod
el1=677&model2=367&chart=33

or

http://tinyurl.com/yugr2w
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"GT" <ContactGT_remove_ DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Talal Itani" <titani DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:25hUh.870$Qp.794@trnddc07...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have in my PC two IDE drives, the first is a Western Digital at 7200
>> RPM, the second is an older IBM at 5000 RPM. I would like to make my
>> computer faster to boot, and faster to load applications. My motherboard
>> supports Serial ATA. Will I see a noticeable difference if I remove the
>> IDE drives and install a Serial ATA drive instead? My PC has a Pentium
>> 4, 2.4 GHz, overclocked to 2.7 GHz.
>
> Its more the age of the drive, rather than the interface type that would
> make a difference. A newer drive would be alot faster than your old IBM
> 5000rpm, but I have just bought a new Western Digital 7200 rpm drive and
> it is faster than my existing Samsung 7200 rpm drive. The revolution speed
> is only a small part of the story. Go to you device manager and tell us
> the model number of the WD drive and we will tell you how old it is and
> whether it is worth upgrading for a performance increase.
>
> The interface discussion is not really relevant yet. IDE (or PATA)
> interface can move 133MB/s and SATA I can move 150MB/s. The newer SATA II
> can shift 300MB/s, but the fastest hard drives only manage a transfer rate
> of 60-70MB/s. So you could run 2 of the latest drives (if you can find
> PATA versions) on 1 IDE channel and they would only just fill its capacity
> when both running flat out!
>
> Another point is you use the words remove and replace - you can keep your
> existing drives and use a newer SATA drive in addition. Use your existing
> drives as space for backups, or data files, downloads etc.
>
> If you make the new drive the system drive, then a clean install of XP, or
> a couple of hours running through a few 'clean-up' apps would probably
> speed things up anyway - in fact why not try that now on your existing
> drive and see if it speeds things up considerably.
>

Thank you.

My C drive is: WDCWD1600JB-00EVA9
The older slower IBM drive is: IC35L040AVER07-0
I have an external drive, USB.

Both internal drives are connected to the same IDE cable. I wonder of the
slower IBM drive slows down the faster WD drive. I rarely us the IBM drive.
 >> Stay informed about: remove IDE, install SATA ? 

"Talal Itani" <titani.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "GT" <ContactGT_remove_.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46233519$0$29150$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>> "Talal Itani" <titani.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:25hUh.870$Qp.794@trnddc07...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have in my PC two IDE drives, the first is a Western Digital at 7200
>>> RPM, the second is an older IBM at 5000 RPM. I would like to make my
>>> computer faster to boot, and faster to load applications. My
>>> motherboard supports Serial ATA. Will I see a noticeable difference if
>>> I remove the IDE drives and install a Serial ATA drive instead? My PC
>>> has a Pentium 4, 2.4 GHz, overclocked to 2.7 GHz.
>>
>> Its more the age of the drive, rather than the interface type that would
>> make a difference. A newer drive would be alot faster than your old IBM
>> 5000rpm, but I have just bought a new Western Digital 7200 rpm drive and
>> it is faster than my existing Samsung 7200 rpm drive. The revolution
>> speed is only a small part of the story. Go to you device manager and
>> tell us the model number of the WD drive and we will tell you how old it
>> is and whether it is worth upgrading for a performance increase.
>>
>> The interface discussion is not really relevant yet. IDE (or PATA)
>> interface can move 133MB/s and SATA I can move 150MB/s. The newer SATA II
>> can shift 300MB/s, but the fastest hard drives only manage a transfer
>> rate of 60-70MB/s. So you could run 2 of the latest drives (if you can
>> find PATA versions) on 1 IDE channel and they would only just fill its
>> capacity when both running flat out!
>>
>> Another point is you use the words remove and replace - you can keep your
>> existing drives and use a newer SATA drive in addition. Use your existing
>> drives as space for backups, or data files, downloads etc.
>>
>> If you make the new drive the system drive, then a clean install of XP,
>> or a couple of hours running through a few 'clean-up' apps would probably
>> speed things up anyway - in fact why not try that now on your existing
>> drive and see if it speeds things up considerably.
>>
>
> Thank you.
>
> My C drive is: WDCWD1600JB-00EVA9
> The older slower IBM drive is: IC35L040AVER07-0
> I have an external drive, USB.
>
> Both internal drives are connected to the same IDE cable. I wonder of the
> slower IBM drive slows down the faster WD drive. I rarely us the IBM
> drive.

You would 'potentially' notice any slow down when shifting files from 1 disk
to another. The convention is to put 2 hard drives on different channels,
but you may not notice any difference with those 2 drives.

Your WD drive can probably manage around 55MB/s read transfer rate (1 of
many figures), so a more recent drive would potentially be faster at 65-70
MB/s, but I don't know if the speed improvement would be perceptable. Also,
like I said, this is only 1 performance figure and there are other things to
consider - noise, heat, power consumption, cost. Ideally you should get a
couple of large Raptor disks in a RAID, but that is hot, expensive and
noisy - What is your goal/budget etc for upgrading?
 >> Stay informed about: remove IDE, install SATA ? 

"GT" <ContactGT_remove_.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Talal Itani" <titani.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:ieLUh.633$Da6.443@trnddc02...
>>
>> "GT" <ContactGT_remove_.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:46233519$0$29150$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>> "Talal Itani" <titani.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:25hUh.870$Qp.794@trnddc07...
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I have in my PC two IDE drives, the first is a Western Digital at 7200
>>>> RPM, the second is an older IBM at 5000 RPM. I would like to make my
>>>> computer faster to boot, and faster to load applications. My
>>>> motherboard supports Serial ATA. Will I see a noticeable difference if
>>>> I remove the IDE drives and install a Serial ATA drive instead? My PC
>>>> has a Pentium 4, 2.4 GHz, overclocked to 2.7 GHz.
>>>
>>> Its more the age of the drive, rather than the interface type that would
>>> make a difference. A newer drive would be alot faster than your old IBM
>>> 5000rpm, but I have just bought a new Western Digital 7200 rpm drive and
>>> it is faster than my existing Samsung 7200 rpm drive. The revolution
>>> speed is only a small part of the story. Go to you device manager and
>>> tell us the model number of the WD drive and we will tell you how old it
>>> is and whether it is worth upgrading for a performance increase.
>>>
>>> The interface discussion is not really relevant yet. IDE (or PATA)
>>> interface can move 133MB/s and SATA I can move 150MB/s. The newer SATA
>>> II can shift 300MB/s, but the fastest hard drives only manage a transfer
>>> rate of 60-70MB/s. So you could run 2 of the latest drives (if you can
>>> find PATA versions) on 1 IDE channel and they would only just fill its
>>> capacity when both running flat out!
>>>
>>> Another point is you use the words remove and replace - you can keep
>>> your existing drives and use a newer SATA drive in addition. Use your
>>> existing drives as space for backups, or data files, downloads etc.
>>>
>>> If you make the new drive the system drive, then a clean install of XP,
>>> or a couple of hours running through a few 'clean-up' apps would
>>> probably speed things up anyway - in fact why not try that now on your
>>> existing drive and see if it speeds things up considerably.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> My C drive is: WDCWD1600JB-00EVA9
>> The older slower IBM drive is: IC35L040AVER07-0
>> I have an external drive, USB.
>>
>> Both internal drives are connected to the same IDE cable. I wonder of
>> the slower IBM drive slows down the faster WD drive. I rarely us the IBM
>> drive.
>
> You would 'potentially' notice any slow down when shifting files from 1
> disk to another. The convention is to put 2 hard drives on different
> channels, but you may not notice any difference with those 2 drives.
>
> Your WD drive can probably manage around 55MB/s read transfer rate (1 of
> many figures), so a more recent drive would potentially be faster at 65-70
> MB/s, but I don't know if the speed improvement would be perceptable.
> Also, like I said, this is only 1 performance figure and there are other
> things to consider - noise, heat, power consumption, cost. Ideally you
> should get a couple of large Raptor disks in a RAID, but that is hot,
> expensive and noisy - What is your goal/budget etc for upgrading?
>

I am considering Raptor and/or RAID a new PC I will be setting up. Were you
referring to RAID 0 or 1?
 >> Stay informed about: remove IDE, install SATA ? 

"Talal Itani" <titani RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "GT" <ContactGT_remove_ RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Talal Itani" <titani RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:ieLUh.633$Da6.443@trnddc02...
>>>
>>> "GT" <ContactGT_remove_ RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:46233519$0$29150$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>>> "Talal Itani" <titani RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:25hUh.870$Qp.794@trnddc07...
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have in my PC two IDE drives, the first is a Western Digital at 7200
>>>>> RPM, the second is an older IBM at 5000 RPM. I would like to make my
>>>>> computer faster to boot, and faster to load applications. My
>>>>> motherboard supports Serial ATA. Will I see a noticeable difference
>>>>> if I remove the IDE drives and install a Serial ATA drive instead? My
>>>>> PC has a Pentium 4, 2.4 GHz, overclocked to 2.7 GHz.
>>>>
>>>> Its more the age of the drive, rather than the interface type that
>>>> would make a difference. A newer drive would be alot faster than your
>>>> old IBM 5000rpm, but I have just bought a new Western Digital 7200 rpm
>>>> drive and it is faster than my existing Samsung 7200 rpm drive. The
>>>> revolution speed is only a small part of the story. Go to you device
>>>> manager and tell us the model number of the WD drive and we will tell
>>>> you how old it is and whether it is worth upgrading for a performance
>>>> increase.
>>>>
>>>> The interface discussion is not really relevant yet. IDE (or PATA)
>>>> interface can move 133MB/s and SATA I can move 150MB/s. The newer SATA
>>>> II can shift 300MB/s, but the fastest hard drives only manage a
>>>> transfer rate of 60-70MB/s. So you could run 2 of the latest drives (if
>>>> you can find PATA versions) on 1 IDE channel and they would only just
>>>> fill its capacity when both running flat out!
>>>>
>>>> Another point is you use the words remove and replace - you can keep
>>>> your existing drives and use a newer SATA drive in addition. Use your
>>>> existing drives as space for backups, or data files, downloads etc.
>>>>
>>>> If you make the new drive the system drive, then a clean install of XP,
>>>> or a couple of hours running through a few 'clean-up' apps would
>>>> probably speed things up anyway - in fact why not try that now on your
>>>> existing drive and see if it speeds things up considerably.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> My C drive is: WDCWD1600JB-00EVA9
>>> The older slower IBM drive is: IC35L040AVER07-0
>>> I have an external drive, USB.
>>>
>>> Both internal drives are connected to the same IDE cable. I wonder of
>>> the slower IBM drive slows down the faster WD drive. I rarely us the
>>> IBM drive.
>>
>> You would 'potentially' notice any slow down when shifting files from 1
>> disk to another. The convention is to put 2 hard drives on different
>> channels, but you may not notice any difference with those 2 drives.
>>
>> Your WD drive can probably manage around 55MB/s read transfer rate (1 of
>> many figures), so a more recent drive would potentially be faster at
>> 65-70 MB/s, but I don't know if the speed improvement would be
>> perceptable. Also, like I said, this is only 1 performance figure and
>> there are other things to consider - noise, heat, power consumption,
>> cost. Ideally you should get a couple of large Raptor disks in a RAID,
>> but that is hot, expensive and noisy - What is your goal/budget etc for
>> upgrading?
>>
>
> I am considering Raptor and/or RAID a new PC I will be setting up. Were
> you referring to RAID 0 or 1?

I don't know enough about RAID options to advise you here, but the answer to
your question depends on the desired use for the system - outright speed,
storage capacity, reliability, (plus noise, cost, heat, power) etc. Best bet
here is to Google on RAID and read around the subject to see which setup
best matches what you want.
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