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Shanda

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:16 pm
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Hi,

Something funny has happened to my computer since I installed a larger
harddrive. The dos short filenames are now in a format like this:
MICROSOF.XXX instead of MICROS~1.XXX.

I've looked and looked but can't find where there is a checkbox to
switch back to the original format. Does anybody know?

Thanks..

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Arno Wagner

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 5:52 am
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Previously Shanda <Shand RemoveThis @blueriver.com> wrote:
 > Hi,

 > Something funny has happened to my computer since I installed a larger
 > harddrive. The dos short filenames are now in a format like this:
 > MICROSOF.XXX instead of MICROS~1.XXX.

 > I've looked and looked but can't find where there is a checkbox to
 > switch back to the original format. Does anybody know?

Probably a mistake on copy-over. I once had this when I copied a
partition with linux and tar and accidentaly mounted the source
partition as "fat" instead of "vfat". If that is the case, there
is no way to recover the old names, since they are not on the new
disk.

Arno
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 5:52 am
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Hi,

It says DRIVE C: FAT32 whatever that means. So I guess I have to go all
through the registry and change all the paths to this new format. Right?

Shanda


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 2:20 pm
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Previously Shanda <Shand.DeleteThis@blueriver.com> wrote:
 > Hi,

 > It says DRIVE C: FAT32 whatever that means. So I guess I have to go all
 > through the registry and change all the paths to this new format. Right?

 > Shanda


No, Windows is sloppy. It will use FAT as VFAT. The problem likely was
in the copying. How did you copy the files?

Arno

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 2:20 pm
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Hi,

Maybe I didn't explain it right. What I'm saying is that the computer is
now working in the new format. It can't find anything that has a path in
the old format.

For instance if I type C:\PROGRA~1 on the windows run line I get an
error, likewise if I type CD C:\PROGRA~1 in the dos box. But if I type
C:\PROGRAF it works ok.

Therefore it can't load any of the programs that have "~" in the path in
the registry.

Shanda

p.s. What I did was take the old harddrive out and put it in another
computer that needed a harddrive. Put the new harddrive in and formatted
it. Now I connected the two computers via LPT1 and used the program
Interlink in DOS to xcopy all the files.


"Arno Wagner" <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:c273de$1q5pqo$3@ID-2964.news.uni-berlin.de...
 > Previously Shanda <Shand.RemoveThis@blueriver.com> wrote:
  > > Hi,
 >
  > > It says DRIVE C: FAT32 whatever that means. So I guess I have to go
all
  > > through the registry and change all the paths to this new format.
Right?
 >
  > > Shanda
 >
 >
 > No, Windows is sloppy. It will use FAT as VFAT. The problem likely was
 > in the copying. How did you copy the files?
 >
 > Arno
 >
  > > "Arno Wagner" <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in message news:c265m2
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 2:20 pm
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You cannot use DOS xcopy and expect any long paths to survive.

The only solution is to delete Windows and PrograF and reinstall.

You could try renaming things by hand, but I doubt it.

"Shanda" <Shand.RemoveThis@blueriver.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > p.s. What I did was take the old harddrive out and put it in another
 > computer that needed a harddrive. Put the new harddrive in and formatted
 > it. Now I connected the two computers via LPT1 and used the program
 > Interlink in DOS to xcopy all the files.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 2:48 pm
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Hi,

Well I'm not worrying about that. There was only about 6 files in all of
windows, that were long that I had to rename.

What I'm saying is that the computer has switched to this new format for
short filenames. For instance if I open a folder in Windows Explorer and
click NEW and make a new folder called "A Long Folder", then I right
click on that folder and click properties, where it says MS-DOS NAME it
will say
"ALONGFOL" not "ALONGF~1".

Therefore I believe that somewhere in the computer there is a place
where you have a choice to switch between the two formats, I just can't
find it.

Shanda


"Eric Gisin" <ericgisin RemoveThis @graffiti.net> wrote in message
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 > You cannot use DOS xcopy and expect any long paths to survive.
 >
 > The only solution is to delete Windows and PrograF and reinstall.
 >
 > You could try renaming things by hand, but I doubt it.
 >
 > "Shanda" <Shand RemoveThis @blueriver.com> wrote in message
 > news:104ekf2o4cefp50@corp.supernews.com...
  > >
  > > p.s. What I did was take the old harddrive out and put it in another
  > > computer that needed a harddrive. Put the new harddrive in and
formatted
  > > it. Now I connected the two computers via LPT1 and used the program
  > > Interlink in DOS to xcopy all the files.
  > >
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 6:29 pm
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Previously Shanda <Shand.TakeThisOut@blueriver.com> wrote:
 > Hi,

 > Maybe I didn't explain it right. What I'm saying is that the computer is
 > now working in the new format. It can't find anything that has a path in
 > the old format.

Can you create files with long names?

 > For instance if I type C:\PROGRA~1 on the windows run line I get an
 > error, likewise if I type CD C:\PROGRA~1 in the dos box. But if I type
 > C:\PROGRAF it works ok.

Some basics:

PROGRA~1 is a long filename displayed by an OS that is not
long-filename aware or where support for long filenames is off. The
long filename is on disk in a special area and can be used with a
suitably new version of DOS/Windows or Linux when mounted as "vfat".
Older OS versions or Linux when mounted as "fat" will display it
with the '~'.

PROGRAF is a complete filename. There is no long version on disk!
It will look like this, regardless of the OS and support for long
filenames.

 > Therefore it can't load any of the programs that have "~" in the path in
 > the registry.

Yes, that would be an effect.

 > Shanda

 > p.s. What I did was take the old harddrive out and put it in another
 > computer that needed a harddrive. Put the new harddrive in and formatted
 > it. Now I connected the two computers via LPT1 and used the program
 > Interlink in DOS to xcopy all the files.

It looks like you either used a DOS version that cannot deal with
long filenames or forgot to tell xcopy to copy long filenames
correctly. If this is the case, all names where shortened when
you copied the files and the long names are not on the new disk.

Some software might still work with the now shortened names. In
that case you can change all references (e.g. registry) to the
new short names.

This problem is a pretty nasty pittfall. The two options to repair
it are manual renaming (almost impossible) and copying them again
from the source, this time with the long names.

Regards,
Arno


 > "Arno Wagner" <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message
 > news:c273de$1q5pqo$3@ID-2964.news.uni-berlin.de...
  >> Previously Shanda <Shand.TakeThisOut@blueriver.com> wrote:
   >> > Hi,
  >>
   >> > It says DRIVE C: FAT32 whatever that means. So I guess I have to go
 > all
   >> > through the registry and change all the paths to this new format.
 > Right?
  >>
   >> > Shanda
  >>
  >>
  >> No, Windows is sloppy. It will use FAT as VFAT. The problem likely was
  >> in the copying. How did you copy the files?
  >>
  >> Arno
  >>
   >> > "Arno Wagner" <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message news:c265m2
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 11:23 pm
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Hi Arno,

Let me start over from the beginning. Forget that I changed harddrives
or copied files, because this what I am describing has nothing to do
with the harddrive. It is just how windows is treating short file names
on my computer, not just on the C: drive, but the ram drive, the zip
drive, the compact flash drive and the CD burner.

What it is doing is making the short name the first 8 letters of the
long name. Not with a tilde and a "1" like it is supposed to do. If
there is a second filename the same then is uses "~1" for it (not a "~2"
like it's supposed to do).

Read the above paragraph several times, because that's what I have wrote
in every post and nobody seems to get it.

Other than that the computer is working perfectly .. long names and
short ... I just have to use the new format in DOS, that's all. And as
for the registry, you probably know that the paths in the registry are
mostly in short names, they're just not in my new format short names
because they were made before the computer switched over to this new way
of producing short names.

Study this dos list below which is part of program files and compare it
to your computer.

As for the fact that I copied the files in DOS -- that has nothing to do
with it because all the files were short names anyway. There was only a
few that I had to rename to their long names, mostly directories.

Adios,
Shanda

INTERNET <DIR> 01-03-04 8:07p Internet Explorer
IOMEGA <DIR> 01-03-04 8:08p Iomega
IRFANVIE <DIR> 01-03-0410:40a IrfanView
JPEGWIZA <DIR> 01-03-04 8:09p jpegwizard
LEADTECH <DIR> 01-03-04 8:01p LEAD Technologies, Inc
MABRYSOF <DIR> 01-03-04 8:09p Mabry Software
MGI <DIR> 01-03-04 8:07p MGI
MICROSOF <DIR> 01-03-04 8:08p Microsoft Windows Script
MICROS~1 <DIR> 01-03-04 8:08p Microsoft Script Debugger
MIDI2WAV <DIR> 01-03-04 8:08p Midi2Wav Recorder
MSMQ <DIR> 01-03-04 8:07p MSMQ
NORTONAN <DIR> 01-03-04 8:07p Norton AntiVirus
OUTLOOKE <DIR> 01-03-04 8:07p Outlook Express
PAINTSHO <DIR> 01-03-04 8:08p Paint Shop Pro 5


"Arno Wagner" <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:c2a6d2$1qo9mb$1@ID-2964.news.uni-berlin.de...
 > Previously Shanda <Shand.TakeThisOut@blueriver.com> wrote:
  > > Hi,
 >
  > > Maybe I didn't explain it right. What I'm saying is that the
computer is
  > > now working in the new format. It can't find anything that has a
path in
  > > the old format.
 >
 > Can you create files with long names?
 >
  > > For instance if I type C:\PROGRA~1 on the windows run line I get an
  > > error, likewise if I type CD C:\PROGRA~1 in the dos box. But if I
type
  > > C:\PROGRAF it works ok.
 >
 > Some basics:
 >
 > PROGRA~1 is a long filename displayed by an OS that is not
 > long-filename aware or where support for long filenames is off. The
 > long filename is on disk in a special area and can be used with a
 > suitably new version of DOS/Windows or Linux when mounted as "vfat".
 > Older OS versions or Linux when mounted as "fat" will display it
 > with the '~'.
 >
 > PROGRAF is a complete filename. There is no long version on disk!
 > It will look like this, regardless of the OS and support for long
 > filenames.
 >
  > > Therefore it can't load any of the programs that have "~" in the
path in
  > > the registry.
 >
 > Yes, that would be an effect.
 >
  > > Shanda
 >
  > > p.s. What I did was take the old harddrive out and put it in another
  > > computer that needed a harddrive. Put the new harddrive in and
formatted
  > > it. Now I connected the two computers via LPT1 and used the program
  > > Interlink in DOS to xcopy all the files.
 >
 > It looks like you either used a DOS version that cannot deal with
 > long filenames or forgot to tell xcopy to copy long filenames
 > correctly. If this is the case, all names where shortened when
 > you copied the files and the long names are not on the new disk.
 >
 > Some software might still work with the now shortened names. In
 > that case you can change all references (e.g. registry) to the
 > new short names.
 >
 > This problem is a pretty nasty pittfall. The two options to repair
 > it are manual renaming (almost impossible) and copying them again
 > from the source, this time with the long names.
 >
 > Regards,
 > Arno
 >
 >
  > > "Arno Wagner" <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message
  > > news:c273de$1q5pqo$3@ID-2964.news.uni-berlin.de...
   > >> Previously Shanda <Shand.TakeThisOut@blueriver.com> wrote:
   > >> > Hi,
   > >>
   > >> > It says DRIVE C: FAT32 whatever that means. So I guess I have to
go
  > > all
   > >> > through the registry and change all the paths to this new format.
  > > Right?
   > >>
   > >> > Shanda
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> No, Windows is sloppy. It will use FAT as VFAT. The problem likely
was
   > >> in the copying. How did you copy the files?
   > >>
   > >> Arno
   > >>
   > >> > "Arno Wagner" <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message news:c265m2
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Tacitus
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