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Since: Jan 16, 2004 Posts: 410
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 10:58 pm
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On Sat, 1 May 2004 13:46:22 -0400, "Adelphia" <Bob.DeleteThis@youruncle.net>
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>If I was to plug my old motherboard back in and get everything nominal on
>the previous settings, how would I go about loading the new settings?
First...once there...use the program given in another post to find
your key...and make a note of it.
>I couldn't just remove all the motherboard drivers and install the new ones
>while it's still on the old one, could I?
Copy the entire CD to your hard drive...in case the drivers don't work
for the cdrom. Then install the drivers as you suggest. You can
check out where the drivers are now...for the controllers, etc. Then
put the new drivers there also.
>Or do I remove the, install the
>new ones, and the settings don't take effect until the next time you boot..
>so I then shut down, flip out the board to the new one and then load with
>the new settings?..
You should need to delete anything. Just boot into the new
mainboard...and hopefully xp will find the board okay this time.
I wouldn't install more peripherals than you absolutely need...until
you get things up and running. Then install all the other junk.
Good luck.
Have a nice week...
Trent©
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Since: Apr 13, 2004 Posts: 31
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun May 02, 2004 1:24 pm
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When you put in new hardware and leave in old drives the OS is still looking
for the old hardware because the drivers are all there for the old
motherboard and its features as well as any onboard stuff. Without doing
anything to change this information it is even possible to get a Windows
Protection error but in any case it is not surprising that it doesn't finish
booting. If you must have the hard drives exactly as they are at least get
a brand new hdd and make it the primary drive and do a fresh format and OS
install on it. If for any reason you cannot do this then the other option
is what you don't want to do.
"Adelphia" <Bob.RemoveThis@youruncle.net> wrote in message
news:nN6dnR1li9s7HQ_dRVn-iQ@adelphia.com...
> I recently purchaced a new motherboard, memory and processor. I have
> replaced these things in other computers of mine before and windows xp had
> always just accepted it and kept on moving. So this is the scenario:
>
> (sorry, it is a bit long, I want to be thorough)
>
> I unhooked everything from my old computer, removed the board from the
> chassis, put the new board in, new memory, new processor, heating system,
> etc, reattached the cables in the same order (primary master, slave,
> secondary slave, power to everything, few other things such as a cable
going
> from my front panel audigy to it's PCI card, etc), and loaded. Well, it
did
> load, first try. Came up, I immediately entered bios, checked the system
> configuration, and it found everything it was supposed to find, it found
all
> of the IDE drive, identified the new memory, and the new ram. So I
> continued on and let it attempt to boot windows. It passes the "verifying
> DMI" stage, screen goes blank (usually this is when it loads the windows
> splash screen, I'm pretty sure), and then the computer resets. I repeated
> this procedure about 15 times to make sure it was reoccuring. I also
> attempted to boot into the three versions of safemode, all of which amount
> to the same effect as loading windows.. resetting.
>
> Did switching motherboards on windows some how move windows entry point or
> something similar? Anyone know a fix, besides running the "repair" on the
> windows CD which re-installs windows (I know it leaves all of the data on
> the disk and just rewrites files, and then reruns setup, but there are
> multiple reasons I would rather not do that).
>
> Thanks for reading, I know it was a long post, looking forward to any help
I
> can get.
>
> ~Chris Martin
>
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Since: Apr 30, 2004 Posts: 6
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun May 02, 2004 6:27 pm
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"JT" <spam.RemoveThis@dcplus.dyndns.info> wrote in message
news:f72348e558648ee76b14fd3188ddeb87@news.teranews.com...
> On Sat, 1 May 2004 01:53:51 -0400, "Adelphia" <Bob.RemoveThis@youruncle.net> wrote:
>
> >"The Prophecy" <someguy.RemoveThis@afakeaddress.com> wrote in message
> >news:iqwkc.305641$Pk3.77001@pd7tw1no...
> >> Adelphia wrote:
> >> > I recently purchaced a new motherboard, memory and processor. I have
> >> > replaced these things in other computers of mine before and windows
> >> > xp had always just accepted it and kept on moving. So this is the
> >> > scenario:
> >> >
> >> > (sorry, it is a bit long, I want to be thorough)
> >> >
> >> > I unhooked everything from my old computer, removed the board from
the
> >> > chassis, put the new board in, new memory, new processor, heating
> >> > system, etc, reattached the cables in the same order (primary master,
> >> > slave, secondary slave, power to everything, few other things such as
> >> > a cable going from my front panel audigy to it's PCI card, etc), and
> >> > loaded. Well, it did load, first try. Came up, I immediately
> >> > entered bios, checked the system configuration, and it found
> >> > everything it was supposed to find, it found all of the IDE drive,
> >> > identified the new memory, and the new ram. So I continued on and
> >> > let it attempt to boot windows. It passes the "verifying DMI" stage,
> >> > screen goes blank (usually this is when it loads the windows splash
> >> > screen, I'm pretty sure), and then the computer resets. I repeated
> >> > this procedure about 15 times to make sure it was reoccuring. I also
> >> > attempted to boot into the three versions of safemode, all of which
> >> > amount to the same effect as loading windows.. resetting.
> >> >
> >> > Did switching motherboards on windows some how move windows entry
> >> > point or something similar? Anyone know a fix, besides running the
> >> > "repair" on the windows CD which re-installs windows (I know it
> >> > leaves all of the data on the disk and just rewrites files, and then
> >> > reruns setup, but there are multiple reasons I would rather not do
> >> > that).
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for reading, I know it was a long post, looking forward to any
> >> > help I can get.
> >> >
> >> > ~Chris Martin
> >>
> >> Why don't you want to run a repair? That's the easiest way of fixing
this.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Two main reasons - I no longer have my windows key, and I have absolutely
no
> >idea what my admin password was.. it requires it to do the "repair".
> >
>
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html</font" target="_blank">http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html</font</a>>
> Will let you reset your administrator password. You might also want to get
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/</font" target="_blank">http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/</font</a>>
> and put it on a cd. Tons of useful tools, including NT Password/registry
> tool listed above on a self booting CD.
>
> JT
"DANGER WILL ROBINSON!
If used on users that have EFS encrypted files, and the system is XP or
later service packs on win2k, all encrypted files for that user will be
UNREADABLE! and cannot be recovered unless you remember the old password
again"
is posted ont he web page for the password reset program.. EFS encrypted
files specifiacally are what? I previously had none of my program
information or data hidden/encrypted (unless some of it is defaulted to be
encypted by windows). If I run this, will I not be able to access anything
from my last user on XP (sadly, I think I was running from admin, even
though I know I should have created a second user and left the admin to
itself =0P ). If I will lose the information, I'm gonna have to find
another way... but if it won't lock anything, I'm all for giving this a try.
I'm off work tomorrow, so the great computer fix extravaganza will start.
I'm seriously thinking of just plugging the power supply and required
peripherals back into my not unmounted motherboard. But I'm still a bit
confused about the process ( I know I asked basically this same question
before, I'm looking for more reassurance  ).
Once I put the old board back on and boot into my previous system, I just go
into control panel and uninstall the motherboard drivers, correct?
And then, when it asks me if I want to restart, I tell it "no", and then
install the new motherboard drivers, and then SHUT DOWN the computer, swap
boards, and then boot?
Is that correct or am I missing something?
Thanks again for the posts and suggestions, everyone, as well as for putting
up with me through this "time of trouble".. man I can't wait until this
thing is up and running.
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Since: Apr 28, 2004 Posts: 14
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun May 02, 2004 7:51 pm
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No, uninstall the drivers, then SHUT DOWN.
Then you connect the new mobo and let XP discover
all the new hardware.Make nsure you have XP drivers for everything.
"Adelphia" <Bob DeleteThis @youruncle.net> wrote in message
news:o7idnS5yUa0Q1gjdRVn-jg@adelphia.com...
> "JT" <spam DeleteThis @dcplus.dyndns.info> wrote in message
> news:f72348e558648ee76b14fd3188ddeb87@news.teranews.com...
> > On Sat, 1 May 2004 01:53:51 -0400, "Adelphia" <Bob DeleteThis @youruncle.net> wrote:
> >
> > >"The Prophecy" <someguy DeleteThis @afakeaddress.com> wrote in message
> > >news:iqwkc.305641$Pk3.77001@pd7tw1no...
> > >> Adelphia wrote:
> > >> > I recently purchaced a new motherboard, memory and processor. I
have
> > >> > replaced these things in other computers of mine before and windows
> > >> > xp had always just accepted it and kept on moving. So this is the
> > >> > scenario:
> > >> >
> > >> > (sorry, it is a bit long, I want to be thorough)
> > >> >
> > >> > I unhooked everything from my old computer, removed the board from
> the
> > >> > chassis, put the new board in, new memory, new processor, heating
> > >> > system, etc, reattached the cables in the same order (primary
master,
> > >> > slave, secondary slave, power to everything, few other things such
as
> > >> > a cable going from my front panel audigy to it's PCI card, etc),
and
> > >> > loaded. Well, it did load, first try. Came up, I immediately
> > >> > entered bios, checked the system configuration, and it found
> > >> > everything it was supposed to find, it found all of the IDE drive,
> > >> > identified the new memory, and the new ram. So I continued on and
> > >> > let it attempt to boot windows. It passes the "verifying DMI"
stage,
> > >> > screen goes blank (usually this is when it loads the windows splash
> > >> > screen, I'm pretty sure), and then the computer resets. I repeated
> > >> > this procedure about 15 times to make sure it was reoccuring. I
also
> > >> > attempted to boot into the three versions of safemode, all of which
> > >> > amount to the same effect as loading windows.. resetting.
> > >> >
> > >> > Did switching motherboards on windows some how move windows entry
> > >> > point or something similar? Anyone know a fix, besides running the
> > >> > "repair" on the windows CD which re-installs windows (I know it
> > >> > leaves all of the data on the disk and just rewrites files, and
then
> > >> > reruns setup, but there are multiple reasons I would rather not do
> > >> > that).
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks for reading, I know it was a long post, looking forward to
any
> > >> > help I can get.
> > >> >
> > >> > ~Chris Martin
> > >>
> > >> Why don't you want to run a repair? That's the easiest way of fixing
> this.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Two main reasons - I no longer have my windows key, and I have
absolutely
> no
> > >idea what my admin password was.. it requires it to do the "repair".
> > >
> >
<font color=green> > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html</font" target="_blank">http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html</font</a>>
> > Will let you reset your administrator password. You might also want to
get
<font color=green> > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/</font" target="_blank">http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/</font</a>>
> > and put it on a cd. Tons of useful tools, including NT Password/registry
> > tool listed above on a self booting CD.
> >
> > JT
>
> "DANGER WILL ROBINSON!
> If used on users that have EFS encrypted files, and the system is XP or
> later service packs on win2k, all encrypted files for that user will be
> UNREADABLE! and cannot be recovered unless you remember the old password
> again"
>
> is posted ont he web page for the password reset program.. EFS encrypted
> files specifiacally are what? I previously had none of my program
> information or data hidden/encrypted (unless some of it is defaulted to be
> encypted by windows). If I run this, will I not be able to access
anything
> from my last user on XP (sadly, I think I was running from admin, even
> though I know I should have created a second user and left the admin to
> itself =0P ). If I will lose the information, I'm gonna have to find
> another way... but if it won't lock anything, I'm all for giving this a
try.
> I'm off work tomorrow, so the great computer fix extravaganza will start.
>
> I'm seriously thinking of just plugging the power supply and required
> peripherals back into my not unmounted motherboard. But I'm still a bit
> confused about the process ( I know I asked basically this same question
> before, I'm looking for more reassurance ).
>
> Once I put the old board back on and boot into my previous system, I just
go
> into control panel and uninstall the motherboard drivers, correct?
>
> And then, when it asks me if I want to restart, I tell it "no", and then
> install the new motherboard drivers, and then SHUT DOWN the computer, swap
> boards, and then boot?
>
> Is that correct or am I missing something?
>
> Thanks again for the posts and suggestions, everyone, as well as for
putting
> up with me through this "time of trouble".. man I can't wait until this
> thing is up and running.
>
> ~Chris... again.
>
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Since: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 51
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 3:27 am
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On Sun, 2 May 2004 15:27:26 -0400, "Adelphia" <Bob.DeleteThis@youruncle.net> wrote:
>"JT" <spam.DeleteThis@dcplus.dyndns.info> wrote in message
>news:f72348e558648ee76b14fd3188ddeb87@news.teranews.com...
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>> >
>>
<font color=green> >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html</font" target="_blank">http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html</font</a>>
>> Will let you reset your administrator password. You might also want to get
<font color=green> >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/</font" target="_blank">http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/</font</a>>
>> and put it on a cd. Tons of useful tools, including NT Password/registry
>> tool listed above on a self booting CD.
>>
>> JT
>
>"DANGER WILL ROBINSON!
>If used on users that have EFS encrypted files, and the system is XP or
>later service packs on win2k, all encrypted files for that user will be
>UNREADABLE! and cannot be recovered unless you remember the old password
>again"
>
If you used EFS, and the user that owned the EFS encrypted files was the
administrator, then you would loose access to the files. If you were using
EFS as a different user than administrator, then you would still be able to
access them as long as you only reset the administrator password. As an
average XP user, you are unlikely to be using EFS. If you were, you would
know it.
>is posted ont he web page for the password reset program.. EFS encrypted
>files specifiacally are what? I previously had none of my program
>information or data hidden/encrypted (unless some of it is defaulted to be
>encypted by windows). If I run this, will I not be able to access anything
>from my last user on XP (sadly, I think I was running from admin, even
>though I know I should have created a second user and left the admin to
>itself =0P ). If I will lose the information, I'm gonna have to find
>another way... but if it won't lock anything, I'm all for giving this a try.
>I'm off work tomorrow, so the great computer fix extravaganza will start.
>
You should be able to access everything. You only want to change
administrator password. Won't affect any other users passwords or settings.
>I'm seriously thinking of just plugging the power supply and required
>peripherals back into my not unmounted motherboard. But I'm still a bit
>confused about the process ( I know I asked basically this same question
>before, I'm looking for more reassurance ).
>
>Once I put the old board back on and boot into my previous system, I just go
>into control panel and uninstall the motherboard drivers, correct?
>
Worked that way with 9x/ME. Not the same under XP/2K/NT. Probably won't
really let you uninstall anything
>And then, when it asks me if I want to restart, I tell it "no", and then
>install the new motherboard drivers, and then SHUT DOWN the computer, swap
>boards, and then boot?
You can't really install the drivers while still connected to the old
motherboard. Most of them will not be seperate from the XP installation CD.
Most XP installations require no drivers ouside of what XP has, unless you
have a very new Video card or HD controller. XP will install its new
drivers on boot up. Maybe.
>Is that correct or am I missing something?
The method recommended by Microsoft, and that seems to work is to do a
repair install. You will need the administrator password, and your product
key. The program I listed will fix the password problem. Others have listed
programs that can recover the very important product key.
>
>Thanks again for the posts and suggestions, everyone, as well as for putting
>up with me through this "time of trouble".. man I can't wait until this
>thing is up and running.
>
>~Chris... again.
>
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 7:21 pm
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Alright, got the new system up and running. I plugged my hard drive into
another computer, took off what I wanted, burned a few archive CD's, saved
the music, of course, etc., etc, then put the harddrive back into the new
system.
Format, install windows, find hardware, walla. I've had some glitches, but
I'm fixing them one at a time.
Again, lots to read, sorry people, mostly success, a bit of failure that I
would love input on.
The system is now:
AMD XP 2500+ (OC'ed to 3200).
1 GB Corsair low latency 2700 ddrram (2X512 twinx)
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro
Sound Blaster Audigy 2zs Platinum
40gig WD hard drive.
First problem I had was: I could not for the life of me find the CD that
came with my sound blaster.. if anyone has this CD, i'll throw some money at
you have it in your heart to either mail me a copy or burn me an ISO..
please.. creative's site has was down for a few days, not only that, but
when it is up, there isn't a single encompassing file for the drive, it's 11
or so small ones, and I just know I'm gonna mess something up. I have the
front drive with the remote and all, so I need to get that working again.
Second problem, I couldn't find my windows key, so I used a hacked one (I
know, bad). Of course, SP1 didn't want to upgrade because it was illegal, I
could understand that, fair enough.. then I found my key! So I changed my
key, and it doesn't want to install it now.. not because of an illegal key,
but because I downloaded the network version of SP1, hoping it wouldn't
check the key and just do the installation offline.. it checked the key.
But it didn't upgrade, and now whenever I attempt to get SP1 it starts it,
already has the 1.9 mb download, starts running the install, then just stops
and says something like "the install was not complete".. no error number or
anything to look up.
Follow up on this one - think I might have gotten it working.. cleared
out the WUTEMP folder (windows update), so it had to redownload it's
installer, it's gotten further this time, so we'll see.
Thirdly, (a success so far), games like Command and Conquer - Generals, and
Everquest were freezing. I thought it was because of the overclocking, but
it just happened faster when I overclocked it, so I did some research and
found out about some instabilities in the way ATI was handling the AGP.. so
I flipped a few manual settings on and off and, walla, no more freezing (so
far, played a hell of a lot longer then I had before and haven't gotten a
freeze yet). So I just pushed the overclocking back up, we'll see how that
goes.
Fouthly, thank you. I really do appreciate all of the posts and suggestions
you all have made. That boot disk with all the utilities on it, I burned
the ISO and it's a great disk, very helpful (wasn't for me in this case, but
I can certainly see myself using it in the future).
~Chris
PS - Really, about that creative CD, if anyone knows where I can get an ISO
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 9:43 pm
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"ProfGene" <mfevs.DeleteThis@winco.net> wrote in message news:<c733pv$b94d$1@news3.infoave.net>...
> When you put in new hardware and leave in old drives the OS is still looking
> for the old hardware because the drivers are all there for the old
> motherboard and its features as well as any onboard stuff. Without doing
> anything to change this information it is even possible to get a Windows
> Protection error but in any case it is not surprising that it doesn't finish
> booting. If you must have the hard drives exactly as they are at least get
> a brand new hdd and make it the primary drive and do a fresh format and OS
> install on it. If for any reason you cannot do this then the other option
> is what you don't want to do.
> "Adelphia" <Bob.DeleteThis@youruncle.net> wrote in message
> news:nN6dnR1li9s7HQ_dRVn-iQ@adelphia.com...
> > I recently purchaced a new motherboard, memory and processor. I have
> > replaced these things in other computers of mine before and windows xp had
> > always just accepted it and kept on moving. So this is the scenario:
> >
> > (sorry, it is a bit long, I want to be thorough)
> >
> > I unhooked everything from my old computer, removed the board from the
> > chassis, put the new board in, new memory, new processor, heating system,
> > etc, reattached the cables in the same order (primary master, slave,
> > secondary slave, power to everything, few other things such as a cable
> going
> > from my front panel audigy to it's PCI card, etc), and loaded. Well, it
> did
> > load, first try. Came up, I immediately entered bios, checked the system
> > configuration, and it found everything it was supposed to find, it found
> all
> > of the IDE drive, identified the new memory, and the new ram. So I
> > continued on and let it attempt to boot windows. It passes the "verifying
> > DMI" stage, screen goes blank (usually this is when it loads the windows
> > splash screen, I'm pretty sure), and then the computer resets. I repeated
> > this procedure about 15 times to make sure it was reoccuring. I also
> > attempted to boot into the three versions of safemode, all of which amount
> > to the same effect as loading windows.. resetting.
> >
> > Did switching motherboards on windows some how move windows entry point or
> > something similar? Anyone know a fix, besides running the "repair" on the
> > windows CD which re-installs windows (I know it leaves all of the data on
> > the disk and just rewrites files, and then reruns setup, but there are
> > multiple reasons I would rather not do that).
> >
> > Thanks for reading, I know it was a long post, looking forward to any help
> I
> > can get.
> >
> > ~Chris Martin
> >
> >
As a last resort there is another way to proceed which I have used
twice in transferring to a new computer. It involves using NTbackup. I
have an external USB drive which makes the process simpler. The steps
are:
1. Make an NTbackup of the original system to external media.
2. Install windows XP on the new computer.
3. On the new computer install the original NT backup data from the
old computer which will overwite your data but won't if you're
fortunate displace the new hardare configuration.
This procedure used to be in the MSKB Article 314070 but was later
removed.
Quote from the article--"Windows Backup (NTbackup.exe) can handle
differences in hardware configuration information between computers
and maintain critical registry entries that are unique to the computer
to which you are migrating information, This capability means that you
can migrate to new hardware by performing a full backup of the source
computer and then restoring the backup over a fresh installation of
windows XP on the destination computer".
My second use of this method involved going from a Via chipset system
to an Nvidia chipset and went without a hitch. The fact that the
article was removed from the KB probably indicates that the method
isn't always successful. Also you will need the original key from the
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