system hotter than cpu

"EzAk" <pschaan1.RemoveThis@execulink.com> wrote in message
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 > ok whats the deal here:
 >
 > bios stats
 > system temp: 46c/114f
 > cpu surface temp: 38c/100f
 > cpu core temp: 42c/107f
 >
 > hardware doctor
 > system 46
 > cpu 38.00 - 38.50
 >
 > system is:
 > Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper*
 > Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked)
 > 3200 ddr 400 512
 > ATI 9800 PRO 128mb
 > 60gb Maxtor
 > 160gb Maxtor
 > Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52)
 > NSpire 300w
 > Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case
 >
There is a problem with your case ventilation. Are there any fans in it?
The two hard disks plus the 9800 Pro dissipate a lot of heat that has to be
extracted. You should have one or two fans blowing into the case and one on
top of the psu fan(s) extracting the hot air from the case.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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i have 3 case fans blowing in (one in front bottom 2 in back and the
case side off with these temps
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"ElJerid" <s.vanderhaeghen.nospam RemoveThis @pandora.be> wrote in message
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 > "EzAk" <pschaan1 RemoveThis @execulink.com> wrote in message
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  > > ok whats the deal here:
  > >
  > > bios stats
  > > system temp: 46c/114f
  > > cpu surface temp: 38c/100f
  > > cpu core temp: 42c/107f
  > >
  > > hardware doctor
  > > system 46
  > > cpu 38.00 - 38.50
  > >
  > > system is:
  > > Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper*
  > > Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked)
  > > 3200 ddr 400 512
  > > ATI 9800 PRO 128mb
  > > 60gb Maxtor
  > > 160gb Maxtor
  > > Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52)
  > > NSpire 300w
  > > Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case
  > >
 > There is a problem with your case ventilation. Are there any fans in it?
 > The two hard disks plus the 9800 Pro dissipate a lot of heat that has to
be
 > extracted. You should have one or two fans blowing into the case and one
on
 > top of the psu fan(s) extracting the hot air from the case.

My sysoft sandra confuses the system and cpu readings - ie they're swapped.
Could be your problem. Does the system temp rise quickly from cold? This
might indicate same thing happening.
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EzAk wrote:

 > i have 3 case fans blowing in (one in front bottom 2 in back and the
 > case side off with these temps

My system and cpu temperature was hotter with the side off. My system
and cpu temperature was hotter with the fans blowing in instead of out.
My coolest temp was achieved with all cooling fans pulling hot air out
of the case. My core voltage is set at 1.9V and my fsb is set at 212 and
my idle temp on the cpu is 47C with fully loaded usually going to 56 or
so.




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running no overclocking right now. mobo is ABIT AT7 MAX2 with latest
bios update. not sure where the termistate on this board is ill have to
try to locate it tomarrow when i have some light. thanks for all your
help. Is there a diffrent program i can use to see if the temps are
reversed?
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EzAk wrote:

 > running no overclocking right now. mobo is ABIT AT7 MAX2 with latest
 > bios update. not sure where the termistate on this board is ill have to
 > try to locate it tomarrow when i have some light. thanks for all your
 > help. Is there a diffrent program i can use to see if the temps are
 > reversed?

Looking at the specs of this board it appears that the sys temp sensor is
between the cpu and the northbridge, I wonder if it is picking up the hot air
from the cpu fan?

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But the air coming off the heatsink cannot be hotter than the cpu (otherwise
it would heat the cpu not cool it).
The cpu must always be hotter than the case air temp (unless your water or
Refrigeration cooling or such like)

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"baskitcaise" <baskitcaise RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > EzAk wrote:
 >
  > > running no overclocking right now. mobo is ABIT AT7 MAX2 with latest
  > > bios update. not sure where the termistate on this board is ill have to
  > > try to locate it tomarrow when i have some light. thanks for all your
  > > help. Is there a diffrent program i can use to see if the temps are
  > > reversed?
 >
 > Looking at the specs of this board it appears that the sys temp sensor is
 > between the cpu and the northbridge, I wonder if it is picking up the hot
air
 > from the cpu fan?
 >
 > --
 > Mark
 > Twixt hill and high water.
 > N.Wales, UK.
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I dropped 2 degrees f by having the case removed on back side of MB. the
other side left on with a fan attached and blowing out. tends to suck the
cooler air in and around better that way I guess.

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Radeon 9800Pro 256mb
P4 2.8 oc to 3.1


"Roger M" <rmauck.DeleteThis@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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 >
 >
 > EzAk wrote:
 >
  > > i have 3 case fans blowing in (one in front bottom 2 in back and the
  > > case side off with these temps
 >
 > My system and cpu temperature was hotter with the side off. My system
 > and cpu temperature was hotter with the fans blowing in instead of out.
 > My coolest temp was achieved with all cooling fans pulling hot air out
 > of the case. My core voltage is set at 1.9V and my fsb is set at 212 and
 > my idle temp on the cpu is 47C with fully loaded usually going to 56 or
 > so.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > Roger
 >




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EzAk wrote:
 > ok whats the deal here:
 >
 > bios stats
 > system temp: 46c/114f
 > cpu surface temp: 38c/100f
 > cpu core temp: 42c/107f
 >
 > hardware doctor
 > system 46
 > cpu 38.00 - 38.50
 >
 > system is:
 > Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper*
 > Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked)
 > 3200 ddr 400 512
 > ATI 9800 PRO 128mb
 > 60gb Maxtor
 > 160gb Maxtor
 > Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52)
 > NSpire 300w
 > Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case

Assuming these temps are being reported correctly, can you locate the
thermistor that measures the case temp?

I have a similar situation when my PC is idling but that is due to the fact
that my mobo thermistor is situated directly in the warm exhaust from the
graphics card fan.
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"BigBadger" <big_badger DeleteThis @NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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 > But the air coming off the heatsink cannot be hotter than the cpu
(otherwise
 > it would heat the cpu not cool it).
 > The cpu must always be hotter than the case air temp (unless your water or
 > Refrigeration cooling or such like)

Listen to the Badger. In an air-cooled system the cpu is always going to be
hotter than the air around it.

This appears to be a situation where the case and system temps are reversed.
46C is about right for the cpu. 38C is a little high for the case, but it's
not unheard of.

I'd suggest going into the bios (hold down the delete key on reboot,) and
check the readings in the PC Health section. They should tell you the real
story.

P.S., MotherBoard Monitor 5 is free and a much more sophisticated app than
Hardware Doctor. It's easy to set up if you use the motherboard list at
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://mbm.livewiredev.com/" target="_blank">http://mbm.livewiredev.com/</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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EzAk wrote:

 > ok whats the deal here:
 >
 > bios stats
 > system temp: 46c/114f
 > cpu surface temp: 38c/100f
 > cpu core temp: 42c/107f
 >
 > hardware doctor
 > system 46
 > cpu 38.00 - 38.50
 >
 > system is:
 > Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper*
 > Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked)
 > 3200 ddr 400 512
 > ATI 9800 PRO 128mb
 > 60gb Maxtor
 > 160gb Maxtor
 > Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52)
 > NSpire 300w
 > Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case


I'd close your case, but first reverse your rear fans both to exhaust and
leave front as an intake, may get some air movement in your case and you
may get better case temp readings. Either way with 3 fans running as long
as some are exhausting your case temps would not be that high or anything
to worry about. As others have pointed out fualty temp readings or a heat
source close to your board sensor could also cause this reading.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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changed both back fans to out front to in and side on temps change but
no diffrents the case is still hotter than the cpu. I had this same
setup with a valcano 9 and didnt have this problem. Is it posible that
my cooler for the cpu is cooling the cpu and forcing the heat from the
cpu into the case which is why the case is hotter than the cpu? i know
its far feched but i dont know what else i could be.
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A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, EzAk <pschaan1 DeleteThis @execulink.com>
wrote:

 > changed both back fans to out front to in and side on temps change but
 > no diffrents the case is still hotter than the cpu. I had this same
 > setup with a valcano 9 and didnt have this problem. Is it posible that
 > my cooler for the cpu is cooling the cpu and forcing the heat from the
 > cpu into the case which is why the case is hotter than the cpu? i know
 > its far feched but i dont know what else i could be.

Have you tried taking a reading with the case open? Leave the case open for a
few minutes, then see if the temperature decreases to normal. If not, the
temp meter might be reporting the wrong temp for one reason or another. Also
physically check with your hand whether the case feels abnormally warm or
not.

Only other thing I can think of, is the power supply blowing hot air in by
any chance? Do you have alot of drives installed?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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