wake-on-lan after power loss ( doesn't work).

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:34:35 GMT, H Brett Bolen <wingedlizard.RemoveThis@nc.rr.com>
wrote:

 >My motherboard ( supermicro x5dal-g) has wake on lan which normally
 >works fine.
 >
 >However if power is removed ( ie I shutdown normally, unplug
 >it, then plug it back in ), the machine does not wake up.
 >
 >Has anybody had a problem with this ( or got it to work)?
 >
 >I suspect that it is not a problem with other adaptors.

Nobody with a properly designed motherboard will get the above scenario to
work - because:

- WOL "wakes" only from the "Standby" state,
- and the "Standby" state depends on memory data being kept alive.
- When you lose the mains power to the system, the memory data is lost
- and the system power controller recognizes it is no longer in the "Standby"
state
- hence there will be no WOL function available...

/daytripper<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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daytripper wrote:
 >
 > On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:34:35 GMT, H Brett Bolen <wingedlizard RemoveThis @nc.rr.com>
 > wrote:
 >
  > >My motherboard ( supermicro x5dal-g) has wake on lan which normally
  > >works fine.
  > >
  > >However if power is removed ( ie I shutdown normally, unplug
  > >it, then plug it back in ), the machine does not wake up.
  > >
  > >Has anybody had a problem with this ( or got it to work)?
  > >
  > >I suspect that it is not a problem with other adaptors.
 >
 > Nobody with a properly designed motherboard will get the above scenario to
 > work - because:
 >
 > - WOL "wakes" only from the "Standby" state,
 > - and the "Standby" state depends on memory data being kept alive.
 > - When you lose the mains power to the system, the memory data is lost
 > - and the system power controller recognizes it is no longer in the "Standby"
 > state
 > - hence there will be no WOL function available...

WOL and "boot on power restore" are two different things. What you say is
true for WOL, but with power removed, the real time clock in the BIOS is still
active. All that is needed, is a circuit to turn on the power supply when
mains power is restored. Some BIOSs do have this circuit. The BIOS can
then respond to a WOL request.

Virg Wall
--
A foolish consistency is the
hobgoblin of little minds,........
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 06:12:05 GMT, V W Wall <vwall RemoveThis @DEADearthlink.net> wrote:

 >daytripper wrote:
  >>
  >> On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:34:35 GMT, H Brett Bolen <wingedlizard RemoveThis @nc.rr.com>
  >> wrote:
  >>
   >> >My motherboard ( supermicro x5dal-g) has wake on lan which normally
   >> >works fine.
   >> >
   >> >However if power is removed ( ie I shutdown normally, unplug
   >> >it, then plug it back in ), the machine does not wake up.
   >> >
   >> >Has anybody had a problem with this ( or got it to work)?
   >> >
   >> >I suspect that it is not a problem with other adaptors.
  >>
  >> Nobody with a properly designed motherboard will get the above scenario to
  >> work - because:
  >>
  >> - WOL "wakes" only from the "Standby" state,
  >> - and the "Standby" state depends on memory data being kept alive.
  >> - When you lose the mains power to the system, the memory data is lost
  >> - and the system power controller recognizes it is no longer in the "Standby"
  >> state
  >> - hence there will be no WOL function available...
 >
 >WOL and "boot on power restore" are two different things. What you say is
 >true for WOL, but with power removed, the real time clock in the BIOS is still
 >active. All that is needed, is a circuit to turn on the power supply when
 >mains power is restored. Some BIOSs do have this circuit. The BIOS can
 >then respond to a WOL request.
 >
 >Virg Wall

No, that won't give you WOL. The bios switch you're referring to cannot return
the system to the *Standby* state, so there's no way WOL will function.

In addition to the requirement I provided, I left out at least one other
critical need for WOL to function. Think about how WOL works and you should
quickly arrive at the correct conclusion...

/daytripper (hint: the bios has nothing to do with it...)<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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daytripper wrote:
 >
 > On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 06:12:05 GMT, V W Wall <vwall.RemoveThis@DEADearthlink.net> wrote:
 >
  > >daytripper wrote:
   > >>
   > >> On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:34:35 GMT, H Brett Bolen <wingedlizard.RemoveThis@nc.rr.com>
   > >> wrote:
   > >>
   > >> >My motherboard ( supermicro x5dal-g) has wake on lan which normally
   > >> >works fine.
   > >> >
   > >> >However if power is removed ( ie I shutdown normally, unplug
   > >> >it, then plug it back in ), the machine does not wake up.
   > >> >
   > >> >Has anybody had a problem with this ( or got it to work)?
   > >> >
   > >> >I suspect that it is not a problem with other adaptors.
   > >>
   > >> Nobody with a properly designed motherboard will get the above scenario to
   > >> work - because:
   > >>
   > >> - WOL "wakes" only from the "Standby" state,
   > >> - and the "Standby" state depends on memory data being kept alive.
   > >> - When you lose the mains power to the system, the memory data is lost
   > >> - and the system power controller recognizes it is no longer in the "Standby"
   > >> state
   > >> - hence there will be no WOL function available...
  > >
  > >WOL and "boot on power restore" are two different things. What you say is
  > >true for WOL, but with power removed, the real time clock in the BIOS is still
  > >active. All that is needed, is a circuit to turn on the power supply when
  > >mains power is restored. Some BIOSs do have this circuit. The BIOS can
  > >then respond to a WOL request.
  > >
  > >Virg Wall
 >
 > No, that won't give you WOL. The bios switch you're referring to cannot return
 > the system to the *Standby* state, so there's no way WOL will function.

It doesn't need WOL--the system is fully up. You can set the power management
to go to "Standby" if you wish to wait for a WOL. Of course the NIC, or
whatever
is connected to the LAN must be active.
 >
 > In addition to the requirement I provided, I left out at least one other
 > critical need for WOL to function. Think about how WOL works and you should
 > quickly arrive at the correct conclusion...
 >
 > /daytripper (hint: the bios has nothing to do with it...)


--
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 00:21:38 GMT, V W Wall <vwall.RemoveThis@DEADearthlink.net> wrote:

 >daytripper wrote:
  >>
  >> On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 06:12:05 GMT, V W Wall <vwall.RemoveThis@DEADearthlink.net> wrote:
  >>
   >> >daytripper wrote:
   >> >>
   >> >> On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:34:35 GMT, H Brett Bolen <wingedlizard.RemoveThis@nc.rr.com>
   >> >> wrote:
   >> >>
   >> >> >My motherboard ( supermicro x5dal-g) has wake on lan which normally
   >> >> >works fine.
   >> >> >
   >> >> >However if power is removed ( ie I shutdown normally, unplug
   >> >> >it, then plug it back in ), the machine does not wake up.
   >> >> >
   >> >> >Has anybody had a problem with this ( or got it to work)?
   >> >> >
   >> >> >I suspect that it is not a problem with other adaptors.
   >> >>
   >> >> Nobody with a properly designed motherboard will get the above scenario to
   >> >> work - because:
   >> >>
   >> >> - WOL "wakes" only from the "Standby" state,
   >> >> - and the "Standby" state depends on memory data being kept alive.
   >> >> - When you lose the mains power to the system, the memory data is lost
   >> >> - and the system power controller recognizes it is no longer in the "Standby"
   >> >> state
   >> >> - hence there will be no WOL function available...
   >> >
   >> >WOL and "boot on power restore" are two different things. What you say is
   >> >true for WOL, but with power removed, the real time clock in the BIOS is still
   >> >active. All that is needed, is a circuit to turn on the power supply when
   >> >mains power is restored. Some BIOSs do have this circuit. The BIOS can
   >> >then respond to a WOL request.
   >> >
   >> >Virg Wall
  >>
  >> No, that won't give you WOL. The bios switch you're referring to cannot return
  >> the system to the *Standby* state, so there's no way WOL will function.
 >
 >It doesn't need WOL--the system is fully up.

And that's *not* WOL, which was the whole point of the thread, eh?

That's simply "Power Up after AC loss", already noted...

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daytripper wrote:
 >
 > On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 00:21:38 GMT, V W Wall <vwall DeleteThis @DEADearthlink.net> wrote:
 >
  > >daytripper wrote:
   > >>
   > >> On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 06:12:05 GMT, V W Wall <vwall DeleteThis @DEADearthlink.net> wrote:
   > >>
   > >> >daytripper wrote:
   > >> >>
   > >> >> On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:34:35 GMT, H Brett Bolen <wingedlizard DeleteThis @nc.rr.com>
   > >> >> wrote:
   > >> >>
   > >> >> >My motherboard ( supermicro x5dal-g) has wake on lan which normally
   > >> >> >works fine.
   > >> >> >
   > >> >> >However if power is removed ( ie I shutdown normally, unplug
   > >> >> >it, then plug it back in ), the machine does not wake up.
   > >> >> >
   > >> >> >Has anybody had a problem with this ( or got it to work)?
   > >> >> >
   > >> >> >I suspect that it is not a problem with other adaptors.
   > >> >>
   > >> >> Nobody with a properly designed motherboard will get the above scenario to
   > >> >> work - because:
   > >> >>
   > >> >> - WOL "wakes" only from the "Standby" state,
   > >> >> - and the "Standby" state depends on memory data being kept alive.
   > >> >> - When you lose the mains power to the system, the memory data is lost
   > >> >> - and the system power controller recognizes it is no longer in the "Standby"
   > >> >> state
   > >> >> - hence there will be no WOL function available...
   > >> >
   > >> >WOL and "boot on power restore" are two different things. What you say is
   > >> >true for WOL, but with power removed, the real time clock in the BIOS is still
   > >> >active. All that is needed, is a circuit to turn on the power supply when
   > >> >mains power is restored. Some BIOSs do have this circuit. The BIOS can
   > >> >then respond to a WOL request.
   > >> >
   > >> >Virg Wall
   > >>
   > >> No, that won't give you WOL. The bios switch you're referring to cannot return
   > >> the system to the *Standby* state, so there's no way WOL will function.
  > >
  > >It doesn't need WOL--the system is fully up.
 >
 > And that's *not* WOL, which was the whole point of the thread, eh?

You left out this part of my answer:

"You can set the power management
to go to "Standby" if you wish to wait for a WOL."
 >
 > That's simply "Power Up after AC loss", already noted...
 >
 > /daytripper

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Hi
I'm using WakeOnLAN and I've some questions.
I would like to know :

- When you enable WakeOnLAN in the Windows driver. Where is saved this
parameter ? In ACPI Tables ? In Windows Registry ? In a Network Card Memory
?

- At shutdown, the NIC puts into a WakeOnLAN mode ? or just in a certain
electrical state which allows WakeOnLAN ?

- If I understand what you say first, after a powerfailure, when electricty
comes again, the PC isn't in Standby state. But is the WakeOnLAN enabled at
this moment ?

Excuse me for my english...
Thanks
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daytripper wrote:

 > On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 06:12:05 GMT, V W Wall <vwall.DeleteThis@DEADearthlink.net> wrote:
 >
 >

 >
 > In addition to the requirement I provided, I left out at least one other
 > critical need for WOL to function. Think about how WOL works and you should
 > quickly arrive at the correct conclusion...

  >
  > /daytripper (hint: the bios has nothing to do with it...)

ok I'll bite.

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:01:22 GMT, V W Wall <vwall.TakeThisOut@DEADearthlink.net> wrote:

 >daytripper wrote:
  >>
  >> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 00:21:38 GMT, V W Wall <vwall.TakeThisOut@DEADearthlink.net> wrote:
  >>
   >> >daytripper wrote:
   >> >>
   >> >> On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 06:12:05 GMT, V W Wall <vwall.TakeThisOut@DEADearthlink.net> wrote:
   >> >>
   >> >> >daytripper wrote:
   >> >> >>
   >> >> >> On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:34:35 GMT, H Brett Bolen <wingedlizard.TakeThisOut@nc.rr.com>
   >> >> >> wrote:
   >> >> >>
   >> >> >> >My motherboard ( supermicro x5dal-g) has wake on lan which normally
   >> >> >> >works fine.
   >> >> >> >
   >> >> >> >However if power is removed ( ie I shutdown normally, unplug
   >> >> >> >it, then plug it back in ), the machine does not wake up.
   >> >> >> >
   >> >> >> >Has anybody had a problem with this ( or got it to work)?
   >> >> >> >
   >> >> >> >I suspect that it is not a problem with other adaptors.
   >> >> >>
   >> >> >> Nobody with a properly designed motherboard will get the above scenario to
   >> >> >> work - because:
   >> >> >>
   >> >> >> - WOL "wakes" only from the "Standby" state,
   >> >> >> - and the "Standby" state depends on memory data being kept alive.
   >> >> >> - When you lose the mains power to the system, the memory data is lost
   >> >> >> - and the system power controller recognizes it is no longer in the "Standby"
   >> >> >> state
   >> >> >> - hence there will be no WOL function available...
   >> >> >
   >> >> >WOL and "boot on power restore" are two different things. What you say is
   >> >> >true for WOL, but with power removed, the real time clock in the BIOS is still
   >> >> >active. All that is needed, is a circuit to turn on the power supply when
   >> >> >mains power is restored. Some BIOSs do have this circuit. The BIOS can
   >> >> >then respond to a WOL request.
   >> >> >
   >> >> >Virg Wall
   >> >>
   >> >> No, that won't give you WOL. The bios switch you're referring to cannot return
   >> >> the system to the *Standby* state, so there's no way WOL will function.
   >> >
   >> >It doesn't need WOL--the system is fully up.
  >>
  >> And that's *not* WOL, which was the whole point of the thread, eh?
 >
 >You left out this part of my answer:
 >
 >"You can set the power management
 >to go to "Standby" if you wish to wait for a WOL."
  >>
  >> That's simply "Power Up after AC loss", already noted...
  >>
  >> /daytripper
 >
 >Virg Wall

Sorry - the generic use of "power management" so close to a bios discussion
left me at the bios level, not the os.

Ok, so to review, if the OP sets the bios to enable "Power Up after AC loss",
has it automatically boot the OS, has the nic driver configured to enable WOL,
and has the OS power management configured to always go to Standby after N
minutes, then yeah, that'd work, because you're NOT trying to do the
impossible of getting from a full power down state to "WOL-ready".

You'd sure want N to be fairly large though...which might reduce the
practicality of such a work-around...

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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:06:18 +0100, "test" <test RemoveThis @test.com> wrote:

 >Hi
 >I'm using WakeOnLAN and I've some questions.
 >I would like to know :
 >
 >- When you enable WakeOnLAN in the Windows driver. Where is saved this
 >parameter ? In ACPI Tables ? In Windows Registry ? In a Network Card Memory
 >?

The important thing is the driver then configures the nic adapter and
typically a supporting logic element (usually the SIO as most designs utilize
generic SIO GPIO pins to support WOL) that will recognize the "wake me now"
signal from the NIC and in turn signal the system power control logic to tell
the main power supply to fully turn on.

 >- At shutdown, the NIC puts into a WakeOnLAN mode ? or just in a certain
 >electrical state which allows WakeOnLAN ?

Careful, if you're using "shutdown" to indicate "standby". These are
significant, contrary terms. There is no return to "awake" from "shutdown",
only from "standby".

If you meant "standby", the important bits are noted above.

 >- If I understand what you say first, after a powerfailure, when electricty
 >comes again, the PC isn't in Standby state. But is the WakeOnLAN enabled at
 >this moment ?

If the PC wasn't steadily maintained in the Standby state, WOL is not
possible. You cannot transition from the "shutdown" state to the "standby"
state. You can only WOL from "standby".

The same NIC and SIO settings that I listed earlier depend on maintaining the
"standby" aka "housekeeping" power to these elements to retain the settings.
When the system is put into the "standby" state, "standby" power is always
available as long as mains (AC) power is connected to the supply.

But if the AC disappears, the "standby" power disappears, and these dynamic
settings are lost, so WOL is not possible.

 >
 >Excuse me for my english...
 >Thanks
 >

You're English is just fine. Whatever your native language I can assure you I
would be pitifully bad at it compared to your mastery of English

cheers

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daytripper wrote:
 >
 > On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:01:22 GMT, V W Wall <vwall RemoveThis @DEADearthlink.net> wrote:
 >
  > >daytripper wrote:
   > >>
   > >> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 00:21:38 GMT, V W Wall <vwall RemoveThis @DEADearthlink.net> wrote:
   > >>
   > >> >daytripper wrote:
   > >> >>
   > >> >> On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 06:12:05 GMT, V W Wall <vwall RemoveThis @DEADearthlink.net> wrote:
   > >> >>
   > >> >> >daytripper wrote:
   > >> >> >>
   > >> >> >> On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:34:35 GMT, H Brett Bolen <wingedlizard RemoveThis @nc.rr.com>
   > >> >> >> wrote:
   > >> >> >>
   > >> >> >> >My motherboard ( supermicro x5dal-g) has wake on lan which normally
   > >> >> >> >works fine.
   > >> >> >> >
   > >> >> >> >However if power is removed ( ie I shutdown normally, unplug
   > >> >> >> >it, then plug it back in ), the machine does not wake up.
   > >> >> >> >
   > >> >> >> >Has anybody had a problem with this ( or got it to work)?
   > >> >> >> >
   > >> >> >> >I suspect that it is not a problem with other adaptors.
   > >> >> >>
   > >> >> >> Nobody with a properly designed motherboard will get the above scenario to
   > >> >> >> work - because:
   > >> >> >>
   > >> >> >> - WOL "wakes" only from the "Standby" state,
   > >> >> >> - and the "Standby" state depends on memory data being kept alive.
   > >> >> >> - When you lose the mains power to the system, the memory data is lost
   > >> >> >> - and the system power controller recognizes it is no longer in the "Standby"
   > >> >> >> state
   > >> >> >> - hence there will be no WOL function available...
   > >> >> >
   > >> >> >WOL and "boot on power restore" are two different things. What you say is
   > >> >> >true for WOL, but with power removed, the real time clock in the BIOS is still
   > >> >> >active. All that is needed, is a circuit to turn on the power supply when
   > >> >> >mains power is restored. Some BIOSs do have this circuit. The BIOS can
   > >> >> >then respond to a WOL request.
   > >> >> >
   > >> >> >Virg Wall
   > >> >>
   > >> >> No, that won't give you WOL. The bios switch you're referring to cannot return
   > >> >> the system to the *Standby* state, so there's no way WOL will function.
   > >> >
   > >> >It doesn't need WOL--the system is fully up.
   > >>
   > >> And that's *not* WOL, which was the whole point of the thread, eh?
  > >
  > >You left out this part of my answer:
  > >
  > >"You can set the power management
  > >to go to "Standby" if you wish to wait for a WOL."
   > >>
   > >> That's simply "Power Up after AC loss", already noted...
   > >>
   > >> /daytripper
  > >
  > >Virg Wall
 >
 > Sorry - the generic use of "power management" so close to a bios discussion
 > left me at the bios level, not the os.

There are some BIOS power management schemes. I think an OS scheme would
be better for the reasons you mention.
 >
 > Ok, so to review, if the OP sets the bios to enable "Power Up after AC loss",
 > has it automatically boot the OS, has the nic driver configured to enable WOL,
 > and has the OS power management configured to always go to Standby after N
 > minutes, then yeah, that'd work, because you're NOT trying to do the
 > impossible of getting from a full power down state to "WOL-ready".
 >
 > You'd sure want N to be fairly large though...which might reduce the
 > practicality of such a work-around...

You'd need to see when the power management was loaded. If it were after
all the other drivers were set up, N could be very small. You'd have to
be sure the NIC driver and the program to accept the WOL "magic packet"
were up and running.

Even with a BIOS without "boot on power return", a handful of Radio Shack
parts will "push the button" on a return of power. All sorts of schemes
could be implemented, based on the fact that power return will provide
+5V SB from the PS, and that the BIOS boot routine is in ROM or CMOS.

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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 00:14:43 GMT, V W Wall <vwall RemoveThis @DEADearthlink.net> wrote:

 >daytripper wrote:
  >> Sorry - the generic use of "power management" so close to a bios discussion
  >> left me at the bios level, not the os.
 >
 >There are some BIOS power management schemes. I think an OS scheme would
 >be better for the reasons you mention.

Perhaps with embedded nics, bios could be aware enough, but not for much
longer. What "bios" is left after the Next Big Thing is foisted upon the world
will be even less capable post code and then a quick jump to the boot block.
Leave everything else up to Redmund....

  >>
  >> Ok, so to review, if the OP sets the bios to enable "Power Up after AC loss",
  >> has it automatically boot the OS, has the nic driver configured to enable WOL,
  >> and has the OS power management configured to always go to Standby after N
  >> minutes, then yeah, that'd work, because you're NOT trying to do the
  >> impossible of getting from a full power down state to "WOL-ready".
  >>
  >> You'd sure want N to be fairly large though...which might reduce the
  >> practicality of such a work-around...
 >
 >You'd need to see when the power management was loaded. If it were after
 >all the other drivers were set up, N could be very small. You'd have to
 >be sure the NIC driver and the program to accept the WOL "magic packet"
 >were up and running.

I was thinking if N was small the poor bastard who has to actually use that
machine on prime shift would have to hover over the keyboard to keep the
damned thing awake.

 >Even with a BIOS without "boot on power return", a handful of Radio Shack
 >parts will "push the button" on a return of power. All sorts of schemes
 >could be implemented, based on the fact that power return will provide
 >+5V SB from the PS, and that the BIOS boot routine is in ROM or CMOS.

Context is everything, and unless the OP expresses the desire and the ability
to cobble his/her hardware such notions are going to remain unsaid
Even so, the utility of having a system in some weird "warm but dumb" state
where a full OS load is required upon fully awakening to do anything useful
kinda escapes me...

For servers, by the way, we solve this with much more sophistication (read:
more hardware and firmware) as we in addition to such mundanities as WOL, we
have to allow a remote controlled full power-down, full power-up, reset, and
so on, and be able to remotely see what you would see on a local monitor
during post.

This capability is sold as an option specifically for lights-out sites. The
option cost is more than an entry level pc

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 14:04:29 GMT, H Brett Bolen <wingedlizard.TakeThisOut@nc.rr.com>
wrote:

 >daytripper wrote:
 >
  >> On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 06:12:05 GMT, V W Wall <vwall.TakeThisOut@DEADearthlink.net> wrote:
  >>
  >>
 >
  >>
  >> In addition to the requirement I provided, I left out at least one other
  >> critical need for WOL to function. Think about how WOL works and you should
  >> quickly arrive at the correct conclusion...
 >
  > >
  > > /daytripper (hint: the bios has nothing to do with it...)
 >
 >ok I'll bite.
 >
 >what? ( another pc, power, ethernet)
 >

Ah - you slipped me a back-channel mail message copy of this, to which I
replied earlier. It contained the same comments I just provided on-group.

That'll teach me...

/daytripper<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: wake-on-lan after power loss ( doesn't work).